Virginia 2005 Gubernatorial Election

[Ben.]

Anyone catch the debates last night?  Apparently Kaine and Tim Russert (moderator) teamed up to embarrass Kilgore.  Here is a couple snip's from the Washington Post article.


Kaine was aggressive in challenging the men he referred to as his two Republican opponents. He called Kilgore "mean-spirited" and repeatedly accused him of wanting to turn back progress made under Gov. Mark R. Warner (D).

"Jerry Kilgore has fought against every reform that Mark Warner and I have worked on in the last three years," Kaine said
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During the first debate, Kilgore said Kaine is a "liberal" whose main goal would be to raise taxes while doing nothing to improve transportation in Northern Virginia.

"Just admit it, Tim," Kilgore said in one of many personal exchanges between the two men. "You raised taxes. He's afraid to say to Virginians that he raised taxes."
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But Kilgore faltered under a series of questions by moderator Tim Russert, host of NBC's Meet the Press. Asked by Russert whether he would sign a bill to outlaw abortion if the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade , Kilgore refused to answer, calling the question hypothetical.

Russert, who thrills in catching national politicians in contradictions on his Sunday morning show, followed up quickly by asking whether Kilgore would veto a tax increase. Kilgore fell for the trick question, saying he would.

"That's a hypothetical question!" Russert said, prompting laughter from the luncheon crowd of more than 500 Northern Virginia business executives in the ballroom of the Hilton McLean Tysons Corner.

"Kilgore was nervous and tense. He sounded bad. He argued badly," said University of Virginia politics professor Larry Sabato, who is scheduled to moderate a debate Oct. 9. "This was Kaine's best performance ever."

Got an email about this a little while ago from a friend.#

Its encouraging, but I forget are there to be any televised debates?

As I’ve said early in this thread neither are very good candidates, but Kaine is far and away better than Kilgore, Kaine might not be Mr Gravitas but Kilgore is a complete lightweight who’ll do zero for the state and could wind up doing plenty of harm.     

[Moooooo]

Its encouraging, but I forget are there to be any televised debates?

I think this was the first televised debate.

[Ben.]

Its encouraging, but I forget are there to be any televised debates?

I think this was the first televised debate.

Good as last I'd heard the Kilgore camp had been dragging their feet.

Saw a clip on the WP site, Kaine is a far far better stump speaker than Kilgore, far more at ease far more fluid in his delivery, Kilgore was very weak in comparison.

[TheresNoMoney]

I read that they're replaying the debate on statewide TV Sunday afternoon.

I watched three clips and Kaine looked very good. He spoke at ease and showed a lot of confidence. Kilgore is a horrible speaker and seemed very incompetent.

[CARLHAYDEN]

As I predicted, illegal aliens are a factor in the Virginia Governor's race:

http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20050914-095901-1994r.htm

[Democratic Hawk]

I'm hoping the debates swing the race in Kaine's favour. It would be a shame to see Warner's good governance of the state of Virginia be frittered away by Kilgore

Dave

[CARLHAYDEN]

The thing is that Kaine is NO Warner.

Kaine is a liberal who is trying to hide his real positions.

The problem is that he is on the record, which Kilgore has pointed out.

Kaine's recent response on illegal aliens illustrates one of the reasons why he is likely to lose.

[Sam Spade]

New SurveyUSA poll out of Virginia (last SUSA numbers in parentheses):

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=2598b696-7113-42c7-baa3-44b7ebfc8bf1

Kilgore 46% (48%)
Kaine 43% (43%)
Potts 5% (5%)

Based on this poll, and Rasmussen and Mason-Dixon's recent iterations, I think the race probably stands at Kilgore +3% (+/- 3%)

This might be a smidgeon low, considering that Republicans historically tend to underpoll in Virginia, but the difference in my mind is probably only a point or two.

In other words, I would say that Kilgore's lead has dropped anywhere from 2%-4% in the past month.  It is my estimation this part of the vote has trickled not to Kaine or Potts, but to the undecided part of the vote.

[Keystone Phil]

How is the Lt. Gubernatorial race shaping up?

[Frodo]

How is the Lt. Gubernatorial race shaping up?

I have no polls I can point to right now, but it is expected that Bill Bolling will win the Lt. Governor's race over Leslie Byrne relatively easily, much more so than either Kilgore or O'Donnell (running for Attorney General).

[Keystone Phil]

How is the Lt. Gubernatorial race shaping up?

I have no polls I can point to right now, but it is expected that Bill Bolling will win the Lt. Governor's race over Leslie Byrne relatively easily, much more so than either Kilgore or O'Donnell (running for Attorney General). 

Thanks 

[Moooooo]

The real Jerry Kilgore. - Anti-Kilgore site I just stumbled upon.

Click 'Play Week 1:  Jail Break'

My only question is... Where the hell is Kaine camp?  They should be on this like flys on sh**t.

[Ben.]

The real Jerry Kilgore. - Anti-Kilgore site I just stumbled upon.

Click 'Play Week 1:  Jail Break'

My only question is... Where the hell is Kaine camp?  They should be on this like flys on sh**t.

I think the site could be linked to the Kaine campaign, but your right some of this stuff is pretty hard for Kilgore to respond to... Kaine also seems to have made one or two pretty effective attacks on Kilgore of late, this race really could still go either way, neither candidate is pulling ahead... and while i'm tempted to say Kaine has the momentum I really wouldn't want to call it either way...

[CARLHAYDEN]

Uh, as I predicted, the illegal immigration issue is really bubbling in Virginia.

Liberals, like Kaine, want to reward illegal immigrants, whereas most Virginians want them deported.

Another article on the matter:

http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20051007-111712-1681r.htm

[Ben.]

Uh, as I predicted, the illegal immigration issue is really bubbling in Virginia.

Liberals, like Kaine, want to reward illegal immigrants, whereas most Virginians want them deported.

Another article on the matter:

http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20051007-111712-1681r.htm

I've got to say that while imigration is a growing issue nationwide these days, it really is not that important an issue in the VA race right now, sure its a factor but not nearly as big of a factor as you seem to think Carl...

Whats more i think its tough to call Kaine a liberal, sure he's anti-gun and anti-death penalty at the same time he's pro-life and a fiscal hawk those are not the tradtional hallmarks of a liberal democrat.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Uh, as I predicted, the illegal immigration issue is really bubbling in Virginia.

Liberals, like Kaine, want to reward illegal immigrants, whereas most Virginians want them deported.

Another article on the matter:

http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20051007-111712-1681r.htm

I've got to say that while imigration is a growing issue nationwide these days, it really is not that important an issue in the VA race right now, sure its a factor but not nearly as big of a factor as you seem to think Carl...

Whats more i think its tough to call Kaine a liberal, sure he's anti-gun and anti-death penalty at the same time he's pro-life and a fiscal hawk those are not the tradtional hallmarks of a liberal democrat.

The impact of illegal immigration varies by state.

Virginia has had a lot of activity on the issue from violent crimes being committed by illegal aliens there making the news to the attempts of Virginia liberals to use taxpayer money to provide centers for illegal aliens!

I have posted specifics on the matter from a number of publications there.

Kilgore has made it clear that he wants law enforcement to participate in the expulsion of illegal aliens while Kaine has made it clear that he opposes such efforts AND supports public funding of centers for illegal aliens.

So, this issue has 'legs' in Virginia for two reasons:

(1) it is directly impacting Virginians (crime and taxes), and

(2) it is one of the few issues where Kaine hasn't tried to obscure the differences between the candidates.

[WalterMitty]

kaine is absolutely right on the immigration issue.

[Moooooo]

kaine is absolutely right on the immigration issue.

Just say it, freedom fighter.

[CARLHAYDEN]

kaine is absolutely right on the immigration issue.

So, you approve of people violating the immigration laws, and believe that they should be rewarded with taxpayer financed services.

[Max Power]

kaine is absolutely right on the immigration issue.

^^^^^^
A true freedom fighter.

[??????????]

kaine is absolutely right on the immigration issue.

So, you approve of people violating the immigration laws, and believe that they should be rewarded with taxpayer financed services.

He believes that all illegals should recieve amnesty.

[WalterMitty]

kaine is absolutely right on the immigration issue.

So, you approve of people violating the immigration laws, and believe that they should be rewarded with taxpayer financed services.

He believes that all illegals should recieve amnesty.

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correct.  i believe in open borders.

if people are iwlling to come to this country and work hard we should reward them with citizenship.

[??????????]

kaine is absolutely right on the immigration issue.

So, you approve of people violating the immigration laws, and believe that they should be rewarded with taxpayer financed services.

He believes that all illegals should recieve amnesty.

~~~

correct.  i believe in open borders.

if people are iwlling to come to this country and work hard we should reward them with citizenship.

Yes, open it up for all the terrorist scum to flow in.

[WalterMitty]

kaine is absolutely right on the immigration issue.

So, you approve of people violating the immigration laws, and believe that they should be rewarded with taxpayer financed services.

He believes that all illegals should recieve amnesty.

~~~

correct.  i believe in open borders.

if people are iwlling to come to this country and work hard we should reward them with citizenship.

Yes, open it up for all the terrorist scum to flow in.

the terrorist scum are flowing in anyway.

the us has a poor record at stopping terrorism.

stopping terrorists from entering the country and immigration are two separate issues.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Let me illustrate just how out of touch liberals are with public opinion.

CBS News Poll of 7/29 - 8/2/05

Should immigrants who are in the U.S illegally be allowed to apply for work permits which would allow them to stay and work in the United States, or shouldn't they be allow to do that?

Allowed                       32%
Not Allowed                 63
Unsure                          5


Gallup Poll of 6/25/05

Do you think the United States should or should not make it easier fo illegal immigrants to become citizens of the United States?

Should                      28%
Should Not               70
Unsure                       2

Both of the polls were deliberately designed to FAVOR the position opposed by the American people!  Despite the loaded and turgid wording, the people made their position abundantly clear.