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« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2012, 12:27:59 AM »

Michigan is usually even more blue than PA. It's only those local polls that have a GOP lean that show MI competitive. Even rasmussen has Obama up 6 or more there.

Actually, Rasmussen has not polled since July.  PPP went from +14 to +7 and some of the lesser polls are showing it closer.

In a number of elections since 1980, MI was more Republican than PA.

In a number of elections since 1980, VT was more Republican than WV, but I don't think even Dick Morris thinks it will this year.
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« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2012, 12:34:00 AM »

Those states were non-competetive anyway.

Only some MI-based pollsters played a little attention whoring and showed a close race to get some new clients.

But in the end, it's Obama by 10-15% again.
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« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2012, 12:53:15 AM »

Wow, John McCain at least waited until October to give up on Michigan, and he never gave up on Pennsylvania.

This is the PACs, not the campaign. Thanks to Citizen's United, we have all these crappy PACs. 2008 was before the Citizen United ruling, and unlike most Republican politicians, McCain isn't a big fan of that ruling anyways.
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« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2012, 01:33:24 AM »

I can understand Pennsylvania, but Obama only leads by 2.4 points in Michigan on the RCP average. Rather premature to withdraw now, although honestly, it is probably for the best.

The RCP average is artificially inflated by poor polls.
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« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2012, 01:37:20 AM »

I can understand Pennsylvania, but Obama only leads by 2.4 points in Michigan on the RCP average. Rather premature to withdraw now, although honestly, it is probably for the best.

The RCP average is artificially inflated by poor polls.

538 does get +7.1 instead of +3.0 after adjusting for house effect. Seems to be a lot of crappy Michigan pollsters. Single state pollsters don't have to suck, California's Field is decent.
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« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2012, 08:34:07 AM »

Michigan is usually even more blue than PA. It's only those local polls that have a GOP lean that show MI competitive. Even rasmussen has Obama up 6 or more there.

Actually, Rasmussen has not polled since July.  PPP went from +14 to +7 and some of the lesser polls are showing it closer.

In a number of elections since 1980, MI was more Republican than PA.

In a number of elections since 1980, VT was more Republican than WV, but I don't think even Dick Morris thinks it will this year.

Even where it hasn't, and the last time was 1992, it has been close.  PA has been consistently +9, Obama has been consistently lower, with some numbers at +3 and some tied.
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