Official Republican National Convention 2012 Discussion Thread

[後援会]

MSNBC is shameless; I don't know how these people live with themselves. FOX on its worst day doesn't even come close...

Really though, usually they'll try to show some fairness. But the last 2 days they've just ripped apart every speech. Matthews is the only one who even shows a shred of fair coverage. I wish Joe Scarborough or Michael Steele were doing the coverage.

http://www.examiner.com/article/racism-msnbc-cuts-convention-speeches-by-republican-minorities

...yeah. I used to kind of just equate MSNBC and Fox as being estranged twin versions of each other, but the RNC cover makes me doubt that now.

[Eraserhead]

AC/DC and Zeppelin are from a younger generation?   I guess if you are from the Glen Miller Generation.

I thought that was weird too because who wouldn't list them under "L" for Led Zeppelin.

Pretty good speech though. He had some decent lines, like the one about people in their twenties staring up at faded Obama posters.

I think a problem for him is that he comes across as so young himself though. That will scare some people.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

The entire Republican convention so far just screams desperation.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

CNN is wowed over Ryan's speech.  They're stopping just short of game changer.  Even James Carville says the Democrats should be nervous.

He made be nervous because people weren't scared of him. He seemed reasonable, and if he seemed like that to me, what did he seem like to indies? Then again, I'm more to the right of liberal Dems.
It doesn't make much of a difference, it just raises the stakes of the Romney speech. He has to do "A Thousand Points of Light". If he doesn't, muted bump.

[J. J.]

He cited a GM plant that closed in 2008, under Bush. He's been called out on it before.

Did Obama really promise it would be open for another 100 years if he was elected? If so, I think it is a legitimate critique not of "Obama being responsible for causing it", but instead "Obama failing to meet his promises to turn the situation around. Which does sum up the GOP argument concerning Obama's economic record.

I mean, he spoke those words in February 2008. The most likely explanation is that he didn't realize how bad things were going to get a year later. "The situation" wasn't fully known at the time. It's basically criticizing him for failing to predict how badly things would get in Bush's final year.

Yes, but 100 years referring to a specific plant? That is just asking for trouble based on the previous decades' experience, alone. 

Wiki says it closed, finally, in June of 2009, and the decision was made in December 2008.  Of course the plant still sits idle.  Well, if a week is an eternity in politics, Obama was right.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

I really dont like the 'our rights come from nature and god and not from government'....not only is it insulting to the non-religious, it is clearly not accurate. Our rights come from the constitution, the founding document of the government

Ron Paul would beg to differ with you. Our rights come from Our Creator. Second only to the Holy Bible itself and inspired by The Bible, our Constuition or as I and many recgonize it as a covenant, is counted one of the greatest legal foundations known to man. Though the activists on the left would beg to differ history confirms this fact. Yes she has been amended 27 times but she has stood the test of time and the nations would behoove themselves to view how connected the two are.

Tonite's speeches were better than last nights. Rand Paul, Susan Martinez, Condi Rice, Mike Huckabee, and Paul Ryan painted sharp contrasts between an Obama administration and what Romney's may look like. Sorry Rick Santorum but Paul Ryan just put himself ahead of you for 2016 if Mitt fails. My ticket is Paul/Ryan 2012 as a write in. Sorry Huckabee but not all evangelicals are going to join in.

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He made be nervous because people weren't scared of him. He seemed reasonable, and if he seemed like that to me, what did he seem like to indies? Then again, I'm more to the right of liberal Dems.

Dude, you're probably to the right of me (and I will never understand your party affiliation. )

I thought it was a good speech, but it didn't knock my socks off. I thought Christie's was much better (or more accurately - I thought it would have been a better speech if Christie was the actual nominee).

[LiberalJunkie]

Lol MSNBC vs Scott walker right now.

[後援会]

Lol MSNBC

[J. J.]

The entire Republican convention so far just screams desperation.

Well, they are representative of America then.

[Lincoln Republican]

Huckabee the evangelical, Ryan the Catholic, saying to America why Romney the Mormon should be President.

Doesn't get any better than this.

[LiberalJunkie]

Lol MSNBC

Is that all you guys do? Take things out of context like when Obama only said "you didn't build that" (as conservatives believe)

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I really dont like the 'our rights come from nature and god and not from government'....not only is it insulting to the non-religious, it is clearly not accurate. Our rights come from the constitution, the founding document of the government

Jefferson, a Democrat, does not agree.  

Jefferson was a Republican.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

He made be nervous because people weren't scared of him. He seemed reasonable, and if he seemed like that to me, what did he seem like to indies? Then again, I'm more to the right of liberal Dems.

Dude, you're probably to the right of me (and I will never understand your party affiliation. )

I thought it was a good speech, but it didn't knock my socks off. I thought Christie's was much better (or more accurately - I thought it would have been a better speech if Christie was the actual nominee).

I'm kind of an enigma. I'm the kind of Democrat that could murder a Republicam in a General, but would have a hard time getting past the primary. I'm dead center, like I've previously repeated.

Lol MSNBC vs Scott walker right now.

Ed and Al were hilarious when they were yelling. That's why I love their shows.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I really dont like the 'our rights come from nature and god and not from government'....not only is it insulting to the non-religious, it is clearly not accurate. Our rights come from the constitution, the founding document of the government

Jefferson, a Democrat, does not agree.  

Jefferson was a Republican.

Equating the GOP founded in 1854 with the party founded by Jefferson in 1792 is very misleading as the GOP was far more Federalist/Whig, then anything else. On the other hand, Jackson's Democratic party had plenty in common with that of Jefferson in that it was agrarian and aimed far more at small farmers of the South and West.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Huckabee the evangelical, Ryan the Catholic, saying to America why Romney the Mormon should be President.

Doesn't get any better than this.

And JCL the evangelical won't join them. It would take the totality of Sarah Palin, Tim Tebow, Lou Engle, Banning Liebshere, Billy Humphrey, my pastor, my district Superindendent (who was my pastor) to join team Romney and even that may not be enough. I have no problem voting for Paul Ryan. It's Mitt Romney whom I have the hard struggle over.

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I'm kind of an enigma. I'm the kind of Democrat that could murder a Republicam in a General, but would have a hard time getting past the primary. I'm dead center, like I've previously repeated.

I actually disagree. Your abnormally strong performance among independents would probably be offset by weaker enthusiasm and turnout from the hard-left Democrats. It's why moderate Democrats often make slightly weaker (or at least not that much stronger) general election candidates than very leftist Democrats.

[J. J.]

I really dont like the 'our rights come from nature and god and not from government'....not only is it insulting to the non-religious, it is clearly not accurate. Our rights come from the constitution, the founding document of the government

Jefferson, a Democrat, does not agree.  

Jefferson was a Republican.

Ah, he's considered the founder of the Democratic Party, to the point that the Democratic fundraising dinners are called Jefferson-Jackson Day Dinners.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson-Jackson_Day

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I really dont like the 'our rights come from nature and god and not from government'....not only is it insulting to the non-religious, it is clearly not accurate. Our rights come from the constitution, the founding document of the government

Jefferson, a Democrat, does not agree.  

Jefferson was a Republican.

Equating the GOP founded in 1854 with the party founded by Jefferson in 1792 is very misleading as the GOP was far more Federalist/Whig, then anything else. On the other hand, Jackson's Democratic party had plenty in common with that of Jefferson in that it was agrarian and aimed far more at small farmers of the South and West.

And today's Democrats would follow the small government policies of Jefferson and Jackson?

The Federalist and Whig parties were the parties in favor of a robust Federal government capable of taking action.

But in any case Jefferson called himself a Republican.

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[SPC]

AC/DC and Zeppelin are from a younger generation?   I guess if you are from the Glen Miller Generation.

I thought that was weird too because who wouldn't list them under "L" for Led Zeppelin.

Pretty good speech though. He had some decent lines, like the one about people in their twenties staring up at faded Obama posters.

I think a problem for him is that he comes across as so young himself though. That will scare some people.

I'm guessing that AC/DC and Led Zeppelin are the most recent bands that the average GOP voter listens to.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

The GOP of today is closer to the Democratic-Republican party that Jefferson was part of. Why don't the Dems have Wilson-Roosevelt dinners and  the GOP can have Coolidge and Reagan day dinners.

I don't consider Abe a Republican. He was the National Union Party

[J. J.]

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But in any case Jefferson called himself a Republican.

Actually, I don't think he ever did.  The Party was called Democratic-Republicans.

In some cases, both Jackson and Jefferson had instances of a strong federal government, the nullification crisis and McCulloch v. Maryland, respectively.

[J. J.]

The GOP of today is closer to the Democratic-Republican party that Jefferson was part of. Why don't the Dems have Wilson-Roosevelt dinners and  the GOP can have Coolidge and Reagan day dinners.

I don't consider Abe a Republican. He was the National Union Party

In the 1860 election, Lincoln was a Republican.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

1864 he was national union. Thus we're both right.

[J. J.]

1864 he was national union. Thus we're both right.

Agreed, which is why I cited the date.  The Party temporarily became the National Union.