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Question: Should we declare independence from Great Britain?
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« on: August 26, 2012, 09:20:15 PM »

Do you think our country would be better if we declared independence from Great Britain, or would we be worse off?
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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2012, 09:28:54 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2012, 09:47:53 PM »

These so-called Patriots are a band of violent thugs who use means such as burning houses and tarring and feathering to force people into their cause. They are a threat to our property and security and want to institute mob rule!

Joking, of course. I'm pro-independence.
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2012, 10:12:53 PM »

Very much anti-revolution.
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2012, 11:16:45 PM »

In hindsight, no.
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2012, 12:55:26 AM »

I would much rather have the tyranny of a remote monarch I can ignore than that of a nearby mob who I cannot.
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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2012, 08:20:58 AM »

Classic.
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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2012, 11:04:03 AM »

You'd all become a big parliamentary democracy by the early to mid 1800's so best off leaving it alone Wink
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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2012, 11:21:27 AM »
« Edited: August 27, 2012, 02:01:32 PM by The Mikado »

No, shoot for dominion status later on.  Preferably a united North American Dominion containing Canada and the British West Indies.
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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2012, 11:07:30 PM »

I voted anti-independence and would have been pro-regionalist at the time. I would not have really cared for the matter enough one way or another to take up arms to fight for either faction. Idealistically speaking, I reckon that the Founders had many great ideas for the time, but as is the case for socialism, I would've been unwilling to get blood on my hands to get my point across unless it were to become necessitated by the Crown's actions, morally speaking (which, at the time - just to be clear - was most definitely not the case). My sentiments are more typically pro-independence and left-nationalist when it comes to downtrodden nations... but at the time I do not feel that British citizens living in the New World fit that description.
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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2012, 06:58:05 AM »

No, shoot for dominion status later on.  Preferably a united North American Dominion containing Canada and the British West Indies.

But wouldn't the southwestern quarter of "our USA" be part of Mexico then? Or do events between "British North America" and Mexico play out exactly as they did between the USA and Mexico?
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2012, 10:29:42 AM »

Without hindsight (since back in 1776 I'd have no earthy idea about evolution to dominions): strongly-pro independence.

Suspending reality by having a hindsight, I'd wait for evolution to take place.
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2012, 10:56:05 AM »

If we had been granted MPs or some other form of representation to petition the government, I would've been anti-independence. The lack of representation would've been the key thing with me. I probably would've been quite happy to stay if we were given a few MPs.
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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2012, 11:18:47 AM »

Pro-Independence. Taxes are too daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn high. F[inks] da British, yo.
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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2012, 01:26:55 PM »

I voted pro of course, but have no idea how I'd stand at the time.
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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2012, 01:34:26 PM »

If we had been granted MPs or some other form of representation to petition the government, I would've been anti-independence. The lack of representation would've been the key thing with me. I probably would've been quite happy to stay if we were given a few MPs.
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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2012, 03:25:02 PM »

If we had been granted MPs or some other form of representation to petition the government, I would've been anti-independence. The lack of representation would've been the key thing with me. I probably would've been quite happy to stay if we were given a few MPs.

That's a very good point. We must remember that until very last moment, many revolutionist considered themselves British subjects and the Revolution started as a fight for their rights as citizens of the British Empire.
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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2012, 10:12:47 PM »

Considering that out of the nearly 3 million free whites in 1790 America, it's unlikely that more than a few tens of thousands would have the vote, I think you're overestimating the impact the US getting a few seats in Parliament would have.
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« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2012, 12:47:25 AM »

     I would have been unconditionally pro-independence, methinks. The British Empire was much too powerful to be allowed to stand in its erstwhile state.
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« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2012, 10:16:44 AM »

No, shoot for dominion status later on.  Preferably a united North American Dominion containing Canada and the British West Indies.

But wouldn't the southwestern quarter of "our USA" be part of Mexico then? Or do events between "British North America" and Mexico play out exactly as they did between the USA and Mexico?

While not exactly, they likely play out similarly.  European history would get profoundly altered though.  Without the financial stress caused to France by the American Revolution and without its example, there is a good chance there would have been no French Revolution.  But one would need to profoundly change history a whole lot earlier than 1776 to avoid there having been an American Revolution.
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« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2012, 02:21:44 PM »

I would much rather have the tyranny of a remote monarch I can ignore than that of a nearby mob who I cannot.
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« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2012, 12:08:46 AM »

Considering that out of the nearly 3 million free whites in 1790 America, it's unlikely that more than a few tens of thousands would have the vote, I think you're overestimating the impact the US getting a few seats in Parliament would have.
You can still be represented in your provincial interests without personally having the vote.
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« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2012, 11:26:39 AM »

I have expressed my belief in the fact that the revolutionary war was mainly a fight bewteen the French and the British, after the French saw that the locals had a chance in their local revolution. I don't feel that the U.S would be any better of if we had not fought there, and we'd be more like Canada, which is a good thing, but at the same time we have to consider the effects around the globe, this directly caused the far more important French Revolution, which then sparked revolutions all over Europe in the next 50-80 years, but the death tole was high during these years as well. so basically if one is looking with hindsight, its an even bigger choice, with the death of many people for freedom, and whether or not the costs of that and the lives are worth it.
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« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2012, 12:28:43 PM »

I have expressed my belief in the fact that the revolutionary war was mainly a fight bewteen the French and the British, after the French saw that the locals had a chance in their local revolution. I don't feel that the U.S would be any better of if we had not fought there, and we'd be more like Canada, which is a good thing, but at the same time we have to consider the effects around the globe, this directly caused the far more important French Revolution, which then sparked revolutions all over Europe in the next 50-80 years, but the death tole was high during these years as well. so basically if one is looking with hindsight, its an even bigger choice, with the death of many people for freedom, and whether or not the costs of that and the lives are worth it.

So this caused the thing that sparked so many revolutions. Therefore, it caused those revolutions, even if indirectly. Therefore, it's more important.
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« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2012, 12:35:32 PM »

I have expressed my belief in the fact that the revolutionary war was mainly a fight bewteen the French and the British, after the French saw that the locals had a chance in their local revolution. I don't feel that the U.S would be any better of if we had not fought there, and we'd be more like Canada, which is a good thing, but at the same time we have to consider the effects around the globe, this directly caused the far more important French Revolution, which then sparked revolutions all over Europe in the next 50-80 years, but the death tole was high during these years as well. so basically if one is looking with hindsight, its an even bigger choice, with the death of many people for freedom, and whether or not the costs of that and the lives are worth it.

So this caused the thing that sparked so many revolutions. Therefore, it caused those revolutions, even if indirectly. Therefore, it's more important.
1. it ins't more important just becuase of the scale that is was dealing with, when you look at the fact that it dealt with, all of Europe, North Africa, and Ruissia, its bigger, the lifes lost are far more than your tiny revolution.
2. It was still a war bewteen France and England, as well as the fact that you didn't adress my major point.
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