Is Jacques Chirac a conservative?

[The Man From G.O.P.]

Yes, your mixture has become one of pure crap, it lost its last dignity in 1789 and will never get it back
vive le roi

Are you a monarchist? Do you not support the American Revolution?

So you are saying my racial background is "pure crap"? That sounds pretty racist to me.

Yes i am a monarchist, no i dont support the american revolution or your french revolution, we in the US were just lucky that we did so well after ours (because we were transplanted englishmen)

yes, you are pure crap (perhaps a little impure?) i am quite racist if that what you would like but fire away, it does not bother me in the least
vive le roi  papist frogs

[Julien]

Yes, your mixture has become one of pure crap, it lost its last dignity in 1789 and will never get it back
vive le roi

Are you a monarchist? Do you not support the American Revolution?

So you are saying my racial background is "pure crap"? That sounds pretty racist to me.

Yes i am a monarchist, no i dont support the american revolution or your french revolution, we in the US were just lucky that we did so well after ours (because we were transplanted englishmen)

yes, you are pure crap (perhaps a little impure?) i am quite racist if that what you would like but fire away, it does not bother me in the least
vive le roi  papist frogs

You admit to being racist, and now you insult my religion. How nice of you.

[The Man From G.O.P.]

Yes, your mixture has become one of pure crap, it lost its last dignity in 1789 and will never get it back
vive le roi

Are you a monarchist? Do you not support the American Revolution?

So you are saying my racial background is "pure crap"? That sounds pretty racist to me.

Yes i am a monarchist, no i dont support the american revolution or your french revolution, we in the US were just lucky that we did so well after ours (because we were transplanted englishmen)

yes, you are pure crap (perhaps a little impure?) i am quite racist if that what you would like but fire away, it does not bother me in the least
vive le roi  papist frogs

You admit to being racist, and now you insult my religion. How nice of you.

Im not looking to be nice, just to present the facts, seems my premonitions are right.

[Julien]

Yes, your mixture has become one of pure crap, it lost its last dignity in 1789 and will never get it back
vive le roi

Are you a monarchist? Do you not support the American Revolution?

So you are saying my racial background is "pure crap"? That sounds pretty racist to me.

Yes i am a monarchist, no i dont support the american revolution or your french revolution, we in the US were just lucky that we did so well after ours (because we were transplanted englishmen)

yes, you are pure crap (perhaps a little impure?) i am quite racist if that what you would like but fire away, it does not bother me in the least
vive le roi  papist frogs

You admit to being racist, and now you insult my religion. How nice of you.

Im not looking to be nice, just to present the facts, seems my premonitions are right.

I was being sarcastic. I just want to say your hatred of the French and Catholicism is apalling.

[The Man From G.O.P.]

Yes, your mixture has become one of pure crap, it lost its last dignity in 1789 and will never get it back
vive le roi

Are you a monarchist? Do you not support the American Revolution?

So you are saying my racial background is "pure crap"? That sounds pretty racist to me.

Yes i am a monarchist, no i dont support the american revolution or your french revolution, we in the US were just lucky that we did so well after ours (because we were transplanted englishmen)

yes, you are pure crap (perhaps a little impure?) i am quite racist if that what you would like but fire away, it does not bother me in the least
vive le roi  papist frogs

You admit to being racist, and now you insult my religion. How nice of you.

Im not looking to be nice, just to present the facts, seems my premonitions are right.

I was being sarcastic. I just want to say your hatred of the French and Catholicism is apalling.

You think i have no basis do you?

[Julien]

I'm sure you do, but whatever basis' you have are ridiculous.

[The Man From G.O.P.]

I'm sure you do, but whatever basis' you have are ridiculous.

Not sure 400+ years of history is ridiculous

[Tory]

Yes, but not in the anglo-spheric sort of way.

[Julien]

I'm sure you do, but whatever basis' you have are ridiculous.

Not sure 400+ years of history is ridiculous

Your basis is your blind hatred of those who are differant from you.

[phk]

TN2024 doesn't understand that, he's ethnocentric.

[The Man From G.O.P.]

I'm sure you do, but whatever basis' you have are ridiculous.

Not sure 400+ years of history is ridiculous

Your basis is your blind hatred of those who are differant from you.

theres nothing blind about your history, i have no problem with other races, etc just seems to be the low-countries brand socialist moron

[phk]

What about trailor-trash populism?

[The Man From G.O.P.]

What about trailor-trash populism?

Ok, what exactly do you place in that group?

[Julien]

I'm sure you do, but whatever basis' you have are ridiculous.

Not sure 400+ years of history is ridiculous

Your basis is your blind hatred of those who are differant from you.

theres nothing blind about your history, i have no problem with other races, etc just seems to be the low-countries brand socialist moron

You seem to have a problem with my race. And what is wrong with French history exactly? What have we done that is so wrong? It can't be any worse than American history(*whistles*Martin Luther King Day*whistles*)

[The Man From G.O.P.]

I'm sure you do, but whatever basis' you have are ridiculous.

Not sure 400+ years of history is ridiculous

Your basis is your blind hatred of those who are differant from you.

theres nothing blind about your history, i have no problem with other races, etc just seems to be the low-countries brand socialist moron

You seem to have a problem with my race. And what is wrong with French history exactly? What have we done that is so wrong? It can't be any worse than American history(*whistles*Martin Luther King Day*whistles*)

lets start with your disgusting support of the papacy, willing to torture and kill to drive protestants and others out then your glorious republican revolution that led to the throning of a brutal dictator and the murder of thousands of innocents across the entire continent as well as the oppression of you own people

moving on the the 1940s your countries disgusting collaboration with the germans (why are there trees on  the sides of french roads)
and the vichy government wich got in the way of the real partisans and interfered with our destroying of the germans with the vichy brand of tea party politics

now you are all for the support of corrupt islamofacist countries

and there we are, rather lovely isnt it

[Julien]

lets start with your disgusting support of the papacy, willing to torture and kill to drive protestants and others out

That was before we had the revolution, when the monarchy that you support was in power. Since the revolution we have one of the strongest traditions of anti-clericalism. Strike 1!

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Napoleon was elected by plebiscite. And he was an emperor(I thought you supported monarchy?). Thousands of innocents were murdered as a result of war, not some holocaust as you imply. He was not oppresive to the French, and he instituted Napoleonic Code, and basis for law in most countries. Strike 2!

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We didn't collaborate with the Germans. We were defeated and occupied because the Americans refused to join the war until 1941. The Vichy government was basically run by Hitler. Strike 3! In American baseball you would be out.

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Examples? Oh, you mean since we didn't go into a war that was a gainst our interests we automatically support Iraq? The U.S. hasn't invaded Sudan, does that mean it supports the Sudanese government?
Oh wait, no oil in Sudan right? Well there was nothing in Iraq for us.

[Richard]

American Conservatives hate Chirac because he is a patriot.

No, he is a socialist.  I don't hate patriotic Canadians.  I don't hate patriotic Americans.  I don't hate patriotic French, or English, or whatever.

[TX_1824]

I'm sure you do, but whatever basis' you have are ridiculous.

Not sure 400+ years of history is ridiculous

Your basis is your blind hatred of those who are differant from you.

theres nothing blind about your history, i have no problem with other races, etc just seems to be the low-countries brand socialist moron

You seem to have a problem with my race. And what is wrong with French history exactly? What have we done that is so wrong? It can't be any worse than American history(*whistles*Martin Luther King Day*whistles*)

lets start with your disgusting support of the papacy, willing to torture and kill to drive protestants and others out then your glorious republican revolution that led to the throning of a brutal dictator and the murder of thousands of innocents across the entire continent as well as the oppression of you own people

moving on the the 1940s your countries disgusting collaboration with the germans (why are there trees on the sides of french roads)
and the vichy government wich got in the way of the real partisans and interfered with our destroying of the germans with the vichy brand of tea party politics

now you are all for the support of corrupt islamofacist countries

and there we are, rather lovely isnt it

Not to mention France sold nuclear reactors to Saddam and Iraq in 1975 which the Israeli Air Force destroyed in 1981. I've visted France on several occasions and love the country. I plan to vacation there again someday.  I just despise their government.

[Julien]

So what if we sold reactors to Saddam. Do you think we did it with the intention of having Iraq develop nuclear weapons?

Didn't the U.S. sell arms to Saddam?

[Richard]

Well, we're not discussing Chirac anymore. :/

[The Man From G.O.P.]

lets start with your disgusting support of the papacy, willing to torture and kill to drive protestants and others out

That was before we had the revolution, when the monarchy that you support was in power. Strike 1!

*I do not support those in there at that time, part of my family was aristocracy in France and became huegonot and were driven out, either way it was a disgusting persecution

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Napoleon was elected by plebiscite. And he was an emperor(I thought you supported monarchy?). Thousands of innocents were murdered as a result of war, not some holocaust as you imply. He was not oppresive to the French, and he instituted Napoleonic Code, and basis for law in most countries. Strike 2!

*He was never a real monarch, he was a dictator and  a pretender at that, yes there was a holocaust towrds the Spanish, you murdered thousands of them while you were being evicted by the English and the Portuguese, atrocities of the same type were commited be the french on the eastern front as well

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We didn't collaborate with the Germans. We were defeated and occupied because the Americans refused to join the war until 1941. The Vichy government was basically run by Hitler. Strike 3! In American baseball you would be out.

*that of course is bull and you know it agreed the americans came into the war far too late but Britain did fight to the last to save you and lost many men to save france and as result the vichy supports the nazis which is disgusting and wrong

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Examples? Oh, you mean since we didn't go into a war that was a gainst our interests we automatically support Iraq? The U.S. hasn't invaded Sudan, does that mean it supports the Sudanese government?
Oh wait, no oil in Sudan right? Well there was nothing in Iraq for us.

*no i refer to your dirty deals recently uncovered

[Julien]

-You said you didn't support the revolution, which threw out those people that kicked out the huegonots.

-A holocaust towards the Spanish, are you crazy?

-If the Americans had come in sooner France would not have fallen and Hitler would not have instituted the Vichy government. In any case, there is no way you can say the Vichy government was supported by even 35% of the French.

-Yes some funds were misappropriated. That isn't the fault of the French people nor was it supported by the French.

[Maastricht]

(excuse me but I think I have to speak in french juste this time ^^) Julien, très sincèrement, je pense qu'on ne s'en sortira pas Et puis, dsl, mais ce n'est pas ça qui va améliorer les relations franco-américaines sur ce forum qui sont plutot froide. Bon OK le gars en face est assez borné (oui OK le mot est un peu faible) mais défendre la France à tout prix et dire que nous n'avons pas collaboré ave cles Allamnds est un peu exagéré ...

English now, sorry for the inconvenience.
I think Chirac is not a conservative, but in an American point of view. His platform is close to Kerry or Clinton's one. Now in a european point of view, he's a conservative, of course.

[Joe Republic]

Well as we all know, Julien is entirely personally responsible for any and all misdeeds France has done in history, just as TN2024 is equally responsible for any misdeeds the US has done.

Do you both realise how stupid this argument is?

[Maastricht]

-If the Americans had come in sooner France would not have fallen and Hitler would not have instituted the Vichy government.

Sorry, but I'd rather say : "If France had at this time a real army (with planes and tanks) and modern plans (We're no more in 1914 guys ...), and a larger help from Great-Britain, I'm not sure France would have fallen, but it would have be a really long, long war, with a lot of causualties.  About the USA now I think we can criticize their laxism between 1939 and 1941 (don't tell me they weren't aware german army was much powerful than GB+France one.). France and GB had to wait Pearl Harbor to start to receive a concrete elp. If USA engaged war in 1939, the war would have maybe be over in 1943. But I still thank a lot american soldiers for what they did in 1944 and 1945.

Well as we all know, Julien is entirely personally responsible for any and all misdeeds France has done in history, just as TN2024 is equally responsible for any misdeeds the US has done.

Do you both realise how stupid this argument is?

Yep, that's nearly what I told him in french ...