People who think Obama is a socialist
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
June 10, 2024, 03:39:48 PM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  General Politics
  Individual Politics (Moderator: The Dowager Mod)
  People who think Obama is a socialist
« previous next »
Pages: [1]
Poll
Question: Well?
#1
FF
 
#2
Idiots
 
Show Pie Chart
Partisan results

Total Voters: 49

Author Topic: People who think Obama is a socialist  (Read 2506 times)
Free Palestine
FallenMorgan
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,022
United States
Political Matrix
E: -10.00, S: -10.00

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: January 25, 2012, 06:18:13 PM »

Idiots (normal)
Logged
Marokai Backbeat
Marokai Blue
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 17,477
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.42, S: -7.39

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2012, 08:01:28 PM »

Not only is it false that he is supposedly a socialist, but Republicans in general have just created an entire fictional character to attack altogether. Almost nothing they attack Obama for doing or not doing has any connection to reality.
Logged
Dr. Cynic
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,559
United States


Political Matrix
E: -4.11, S: -6.09

WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2012, 08:23:43 PM »

I really rather enjoy the Nazi Socialist fundamentalist Muslim from Kenya character they've concocted. It just really proves how dumb some people truly are.
Logged
Atlas Has Shrugged
ChairmanSanchez
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 38,095
United States


Political Matrix
E: 5.29, S: -5.04


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2012, 08:27:17 PM »

Both: It is a legitimate political opinion to say "Obama is a socialist". Only the hardcore “Conservative” (I use quotes because that’s what they think they are) idiots say he is disqualified for being a Socialist. I think he personally is a Socialist, but he does not govern that way.

Logged
LastVoter
seatown
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,322
Thailand


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2012, 09:18:54 PM »

Both: It is a legitimate political opinion to say "Obama is a socialist". Only the hardcore “Conservative” (I use quotes because that’s what they think they are) idiots say he is disqualified for being a Socialist. I think he personally is a Socialist, but he does not govern that way.


Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,440
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2012, 05:06:32 AM »

Both: It is a legitimate political opinion to say "Obama is a socialist". Only the hardcore “Conservative” (I use quotes because that’s what they think they are) idiots say he is disqualified for being a Socialist. I think he personally is a Socialist, but he does not govern that way.

Is it a legitimate political opinion to say Ron Paul is a christian-democrat, Rick Santorum is a libertarian or Dennis Kucinich is a conservative ?
Logged
Roemerista
MQuinn
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 935
United States


Political Matrix
E: 4.39, S: 5.91

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2012, 08:00:12 AM »

If socialism is what capitalism is not, as Marx defined it, the whole lot of these folks who try and stop the virtuous cycle of the free market are socialists.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,440
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2012, 09:41:32 AM »

If socialism is what capitalism is not, as Marx defined it

Methinks you've no clue of Marx's definition of socialism.


Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.

This is really a great fairytale, but hasn't it gotten a bit old ?
Logged
TJ in Oregon
TJ in Cleve
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,948
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.13, S: 6.96

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2012, 10:00:44 AM »

Both: It is a legitimate political opinion to say "Obama is a socialist". Only the hardcore “Conservative” (I use quotes because that’s what they think they are) idiots say he is disqualified for being a Socialist. I think he personally is a Socialist, but he does not govern that way.

Is it a legitimate political opinion to say Ron Paul is a christian-democrat, Rick Santorum is a libertarian or Dennis Kucinich is a conservative ?

No because none of the examples above would govern remotely the way they do if they were those things and basing decisions on pragmatism. Certainly you can see how even if Obama is personally a socialist it makes sense for him to govern how he is? He's at least taking the country in the same direction as his ideology.
Logged
ZuWo
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,873
Switzerland


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2012, 10:05:36 AM »

Inaccurate statement, but not as stupid as saying that Republicans are fascists.
Logged
Хahar 🤔
Xahar
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 41,708
Bangladesh


Political Matrix
E: -6.77, S: 0.61

WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2012, 10:23:21 AM »

Both: It is a legitimate political opinion to say "Obama is a socialist". Only the hardcore “Conservative” (I use quotes because that’s what they think they are) idiots say he is disqualified for being a Socialist. I think he personally is a Socialist, but he does not govern that way.

Is it a legitimate political opinion to say Ron Paul is a christian-democrat, Rick Santorum is a libertarian or Dennis Kucinich is a conservative ?

No because none of the examples above would govern remotely the way they do if they were those things and basing decisions on pragmatism. Certainly you can see how even if Obama is personally a socialist it makes sense for him to govern how he is? He's at least taking the country in the same direction as his ideology.

There's not really any answer to that except to say that no, he absolutely isn't.
Logged
afleitch
Moderators
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 29,983


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2012, 10:50:36 AM »

No. Obama is a conservative.
Logged
Oakvale
oakvale
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 11,827
Ukraine
Political Matrix
E: -0.77, S: -4.00

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2012, 11:42:58 AM »

I generally take a statement to the effect that Obama is a socialist as a cue not to take any of that person's posts seriously since they're clearly either gullible morons or hacks of such an extreme mouth-breathing level that virtually anything else they write is certain to be just as intellectually dishonest.


Both: It is a legitimate political opinion to say "Obama is a socialist". Only the hardcore “Conservative” (I use quotes because that’s what they think they are) idiots say he is disqualified for being a Socialist. I think he personally is a Socialist, but he does not govern that way.



Only if we accept the apparent premise that words have no actual meaning and we can thus apply whatever label tickles our fancy regardless of the lack of any supporting evidence whatsoever.

Since "socialist" is apparently just a collection of noises and not the name of a political ideology, I'm going to start using it in contexts that would otherwise appear patently absurd. Michelle Bachmann is a socialist!

Easy!
Logged
k-onmmunist
Winston Disraeli
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 11,753
Palestinian Territory, Occupied


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2012, 05:40:00 PM »


^^^
Logged
Link
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 3,426
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2012, 06:01:30 PM »


It is interesting to see how our European friends label Obama.

My passportless American colleagues should take note.  Our country is so far to the right ideologically that even our prominent left wing politicians are considered right wing on any normal scale.

So anyone who thinks Obama is a socialist is either:
a) a mindless political hack
b) actually a very well meaning person who simply has never seen a passport in their life
Logged
k-onmmunist
Winston Disraeli
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 11,753
Palestinian Territory, Occupied


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2012, 06:07:15 PM »

The only prominent US politician I'd say comes anywhere close to being a socialist is Kuchinich and even then, he'd be considered a relatively moderate social dem in most of Europe.
Logged
LastVoter
seatown
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,322
Thailand


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2012, 06:32:34 PM »

The only prominent US politician I'd say comes anywhere close to being a socialist is Kuchinich and even then, he'd be considered a relatively moderate social dem in most of Europe.
Sanders?
Kucinich actually fought for public utilities as a mayor of Clevland, while Sanders is only a "Socialist" in political persuasion to my knowledge.
Logged
Link
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 3,426
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2012, 06:34:08 PM »

The only prominent US politician I'd say comes anywhere close to being a socialist is Kuchinich and even then, he'd be considered a relatively moderate social dem in most of Europe.

Sanders?

Logged
opebo
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 47,009


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2012, 07:43:45 PM »

Inaccurate statement, but not as stupid as saying that Republicans are fascists.

Why do you say that?  The Republicans are much closer to fascism than Obama is to Socialism.
Logged
This user has not been convicted of 34 felonies
20RP12
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 38,537
United States


Political Matrix
E: -5.29, S: -7.13

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2012, 08:01:45 PM »

Logged
Pages: [1]  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.045 seconds with 11 queries.