time to talk Turkey again (note to BushOK, the topic aint Thanksgiving)

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4)  Israel and Turkey will be at war one day

Turkey is a NATO member. A crucial NATO member, BTW. One of THE most crucial US allies. Are you suggesting US and Israel are going to fight? And, BTW, whose side would you be on in such a war?

Smell the coffee - Turkey is no longer an ally of the U.S.  And I will ALWAYS be on the side of Israel as long it is defending its existence.

Unless some divinity changes that country's location on my map, we're going to be their ally.......period. 

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Erdoğan: 'Warships could be in e. Mediterranean at any moment'

http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=238063

with the loss of NY-09 (Jewish vote turning against Obama) and the UN about to back a Palestinian state (more Jews turn against Obama), can Obama afford not to back Israel in any flare up with Turkey?

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Well, it looks like both sides are playing to their base. If you would read the article you posted, JMF, you would notice that he has been under attack lately for saying Egypt should be a secular democracy. He needs to shore up his base...

you think Erdoğan has his warships blowing smoke simply to shore up his base?  Obviously, almost everything involves postering, but I think the situation is a tad more serious than that, as it has a lot to do with the oil blocks in the eastern Mediterranean.

Plus, Erdoğan has painted himself into a corner over the Gaza blockade - if he backs down now he will endanger his own hold on power and he could potentially become a non-Arab victim of the Arab Spring, which he has been attempting to get out in front of.

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But the question of this thread really has to do with the rock and the hard place Obama is in - if the UN goes ahead with Palestinian statehood, NY-09 is going to look like an Obama victory in comparison...so with very real prospects of Obama losing the Jewish vote in 2012, what does Obama do in the event of a Turkish-Jewish skirmish, because you know the GOP candidates (except for maybe Paul) are going to come out in full support of Israel.

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Actually, there is a rumor out there that Erdogan/Turkish military is doing this to distract people from his/their dickishness around Cyprus.  The Greeks and the Israelis have been growing closer while Turkey and Egypt have been doing the same.

and there are rumors Israel and Greece (a NATO member) have invoked a security act sending Israeli fighters to bases in Greece in case Turkey (a NATO member) gets too froggish.

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http://www.silobreaker.com/erdogan-planes-and-torpedo-boats-over-gas-fields-5_2264862548694138928

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and there are rumors Israel and Greece (a NATO member) have invoked a security act sending Israeli fighters to bases in Greece in case Turkey (a NATO member) gets too froggish.

How much did the Israelis pay (bailout) Greece for that?

Considering Greece and Turkey have fought four major wars against each other, I'm sure Greece welcomed the Israeli aces.

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Considering Greece and Turkey have fought four major wars against each other, I'm sure Greece welcomed the Israeli aces.

Yes.  I don't doubt they welcomed the IDF planes and pilots.  I also suspect they welcomed the currency too.  

I highly doubt there was a payoff involved.  the Greeks, with all their default trouble, are probably looking to get into a scrap with Turkey...and when it comes to getting into a scrap, Isreal is a pretty good ally to have....and for Israel, Greece being a member of NATO would quiet any complaints from NATO about fighting Turkey, who is also a member of NATO.

SO, we could see the ending of the Euro and the breakup of the EU, the breakup of NATO, and a Greek-Turkish-Jewish war….all within the span of the current football season, which would mean a lot of PIP in the jmfcst household…”Turn it to CNN, I want to watch the Jews and Greeks make some Turkey à la mode…and put CNBC in PIP in the upper left corner, I want to watch the Euro currency implode…but also keep Romo and the Cowboys in PIP in the upper right, just in case Romo's lung decides to explode.”

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SO, we could see the ending of the Euro and the breakup of the EU, the breakup of NATO, and a Greek-Turkish-Jewish war….

Jmfcst, really, you ought to let us know now and then that you don't actually believe this stuff. I'm starting to get worried.

a Greek default could set in motion defaults by other EU countries and end the Euro and the EU...that's not far fetched at all, in fact, that's what the contagion fears are all about.

as far as the "breakup of NATO" comment, a Greek(NATO)-Israeli/Turkish(NATO) war wouldnt exactly be healthy for the alliance...though such a war doesnt appear likely

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Nobel Energy is a Houston, Texas based company...so it looks like a Texas-Israeli tandem against the Turks.  Texas is Action and the Jews are Money…together we could be legendary!

Dead0man, the whole damn world is going to hell in a handbasket:  “Freedom Now!”…“Peace Reigns!”…”Democracy Rules!”…how are we going to keep the military industrial complex and the energy industry chugging along if there ain’t virus-ridden scum-sucking evil breathing down our necks, threatening our very shores?…

See, our job, as Texans, is to make sure the other side keeps fighting…the “other side” being whatever side we’re officially not on this year…

…but’s that’s all water under the bridge.  

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Turkey has publically named IDF soldiers involved in vessel raid:

Israeli soldiers were named in a Turkish newspaper on Monday as bearing responsibility for the IDF's response to the Turkish ship Mavi Marmara in which nine Turkish militants were killed.

Also, Erdogan claimed on CNN that  that Israel has killed thousands of Palestinians and uses Holocaust to perpetrate victimhood.

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Looks like Erdogan wants to squabble.

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While Turkey tends to use a hysterically belligerent tone against anyone who has incurred their wrath, they don't actually do anything against those who are not push-overs. The idea of Turkey tarting a war with a nuclear power is one of jmfcst usual wishful fantasies.

a Turkish-Israeli war is a jmfcst wishful fantasy?!  that would be news to jmfcst.

note to GMantis:  there is nothing like having money and a family to make a person pray for peace...and nothing invites war more than naivete.

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Well, I don't know what you would perceive to be 'normal' relations with Israel, but as far as non-US puppet governments in that area of the World are concerned, being on speaking terms with the Israeli government is as good as it gets.

so, then there is nothing to be alarmed about Turkey trading its old relations with Israel for a relationship with Israel modeled after Syria's or Iran's?  Then I guess there is nothing to be alarmed about as Egypt unwinds the Camp David Accords and resumes a hostile posture towards Israel.  And, I guess there shouldn't be any alarm is Jordan's government falls and becomes hostile towards Israel....

...it all just par for the course....right? 

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And Turkey certainly does not have much of a history of pushing for a military confrontation with Israel.

Neither did Iran before 1979