Spanish Notable Politicians (since 1979) - Santiago Carrillo is Survivor!!!

[Edu]

6 for Alberto Ruiz-Gallardon
3 for Manuel Gutiérrez Mellado

Keep
Roca i Junyent
Herrero y Rodriguez de Miñon
Leopoldo Calvo Sotelo

[Nhoj]

6 for Rodrigo Rato
3 Alberto Ruiz-Gallardon

Keep
Roca i Junyent
Herrero y Rodriguez de Miñon
Leopoldo Calvo Sotelo

[Niemeyerite]

more votes?

[big bad fab]

I don't understand, Julio, I thought Rato was eliminated: 2 were to be ousted in round 8 ?!?
Or did I make a mistake ?

[Niemeyerite]

I don't understand, Julio, I thought Rato was eliminated: 2 were to be ousted in round 8 ?!?
Or did I make a mistake ?

Yes, but I noticed people only voted for 2 people... you know, conservatives like you voted to eliminate Zapatero, and leftists voted to eliminate Francisco Alvarez Cascos. We eliminated both of them.
Then, in the next round, the same story. Solbes vs. Rato. Anybody voted for another politician. So I thought it would happen again in the next rounds (a fight between two politicians), and I changed the voting system to a more complicated one where you have to split your vote between more than 1 politician (or give 8 points to only 1, but that hasn't happened yet).

So, this round, we'll eliminate 2 politicians

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Antonio, homelycooking, hash... vote, please!

[big bad fab]

That was on ideological lines, but that's not always the case, far from it (even Hans, our favourite hack , has voted for Solbes over Rato).
In fact, with only one vote, there is a risk of polarization.
And well, I've picked Zapatero because it was time (), not because of the rules. I've said I wanted to oust Zapatero before, but self-censorship and anticipation of a huge defeat prevented me .

Anyway, I asked because I was hesitating on my "keep" votes, but I guess it's fine like this, I don't really want to protect Rato.

[Niemeyerite]

That was on ideological lines, but that's not always the case, far from it (even Hans, our favourite hack , has voted for Solbes over Rato).
In fact, with only one vote, there is a risk of polarization.
And well, I've picked Zapatero because it was time (), not because of the rules. I've said I wanted to oust Zapatero before, but self-censorship and anticipation of a huge defeat prevented me .

Anyway, I asked because I was hesitating on my "keep" votes, but I guess it's fine like this, I don't really want to protect Rato.

OK, I'm glad you understood me

[Niemeyerite]

Here's the list of the "alive" politicians. I hope it helps you


Adolfo Suárez González (1st President of our democracy: 1976-1981)

Leopoldo Calvo-Sotelo y Bustelo (2nd President: 1981-1982)

Felipe González Márquez (3rd President: 1982-1996)

Manuel Gutiérrez Mellado (1st VP and Minister of Defence: 1977-1981)

Rodrigo Rato (VP, Minister of Economy, Director of the FMI, president of "Caja Madrid" and Bankia)

Alfredo Pérez Rubalcaba (Minister of Education and Sciences, Minister of the Presidency under Gonzalez and VP, Minister of the Interior and potential candidate for Presidency next year)

Enrique Tierno Galvan (Mayor of Madrid, leader of the PSP, PSOE congressperson)

Carme Chacon (Minister of Housing, Minister of Defence and potential candidate for the Presidency next year) Inmune until round 10

Santiago Carrillo (General Secretary of the PCE, philosopher, political analyst, one of the parents of the Constitution)

Javier Solana (Minister of Culture, Minister of Education and Sciences, Minister of Foreign Affairs, Secretary General of NATO, General Secretary of the Council of the European Union, High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy)

Joaquin Almunia (General secretary of PSOE and candidate in 2000, Minister of the Public Administration, Minister of Labour and Social Works, European Commissioner for Economic and Monetary Affairs, European Commissioner for Competition)

Miguel Herrero y Rodríguez de Miñón (one of the parents of our Constitution, leader of the opposition)

Miquel Roca i Junyent (one of the 7 parents of the Constitution, leader of CiU)

Gregorio Peces-Barba (one of the parents of the Constitution, President of the Congress, Rector of Carlos III University)

José Bono ("Baron del PSOE", President of Castilla La-Mancha, Minister of Defence, currently, President of the Congress)

Manuel Chaves ("Baron del PSOE", President of Andalucia, Minister of Labour and Social Security, Minister of Territorial Policy and VP)

Alberto Ruiz-Gallardón (President of Madrid, Mayor of Madrid, General Secretary of AP)   
 

[Hash]

6 Rato
3 González

keep
Suárez
Carrillo
Roca i Junyent

[homelycooking]

Eliminate
5 Rato
3 Ruiz-Gallardón
2 Gutiérrez Mellado
1 Herrero y Rodríguez de Miñón

Keep
Carrillo
Roca i Junyent
Peces-Barba

[Hans-im-Glück]

Eliminate
5 Rato
3 Ruiz-Gallardón
2 Gutiérrez Mellado
1 Herrero y Rodríguez de Miñón

Keep
Carrillo
Roca i Junyent
Peces-Barba

[Niemeyerite]

This time, we eliminated the 2 most moderate politicians in the PP (in my opinion):

Rodrigo Rato - 24 votes



Alberto Ruíz Gallardón - 15 votes



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Manuel Gutiérrez Mellado - 8 votes
Miguel Herrero y Rodríguez de Miñón - 5 votes
Manuel Chaves - 4 votes
Felipe González - 3 votes
Enrique Tierno Galván - 2 votes
Leopoldo Calvo Sotelo y Bustelo - 1 vote
Adolfo Suárez - -2
Gregorio Peces-Barba - -2 votes
Miquel Roca i Junyent - -3 votes
Santiago Carrillo - -5 votes
______________________________________________________________


Adolfo Suárez González (1st President of our democracy: 1976-1981)

Leopoldo Calvo-Sotelo y Bustelo (2nd President: 1981-1982)

Felipe González Márquez (3rd President: 1982-1996)

Manuel Gutiérrez Mellado (1st VP and Minister of Defence: 1977-1981)

Alfredo Pérez Rubalcaba (Minister of Education and Sciences, Minister of the Presidency under Gonzalez and VP, Minister of the Interior and potential candidate for Presidency next year)

Enrique Tierno Galvan (Mayor of Madrid, leader of the PSP, PSOE congressperson)

Carme Chacon (Minister of Housing, Minister of Defence and potential candidate for the Presidency next year) Inmune until round 10

Santiago Carrillo (General Secretary of the PCE, philosopher, political analyst, one of the parents of the Constitution)

Javier Solana (Minister of Culture, Minister of Education and Sciences, Minister of Foreign Affairs, Secretary General of NATO, General Secretary of the Council of the European Union, High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy)

Joaquin Almunia (General secretary of PSOE and candidate in 2000, Minister of the Public Administration, Minister of Labour and Social Works, European Commissioner for Economic and Monetary Affairs, European Commissioner for Competition)

Miguel Herrero y Rodríguez de Miñón (one of the parents of our Constitution, leader of the opposition)

Miquel Roca i Junyent (one of the 7 parents of the Constitution, leader of CiU)

Gregorio Peces-Barba (one of the parents of the Constitution, President of the Congress, Rector of Carlos III University)

José Bono ("Baron del PSOE", President of Castilla La-Mancha, Minister of Defence, currently, President of the Congress)

Manuel Chaves ("Baron del PSOE", President of Andalucia, Minister of Labour and Social Security, Minister of Territorial Policy and VP)

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This round, you have 10 votes to split as you want (eliminate. keep, inmunize...).
Carme Chacon isn't inmune.
We'll eliminate 1 politician.

[big bad fab]

Eliminate
5 Chacon
3 Chaves

Keep
1 Gonzalez
1 Calvo Sotelo

[Niemeyerite]

5 Eliminate Leopoldo Calvo-Sotelo

2 keep Chacon

3 Inmunize Chacon (again)

[Hash]

eliminate
7 Gonzalez

keep
3 Suarez

[homelycooking]

Eliminate
3 Gutierrez Mellado
2 Herrero y Rodríguez de Miñón

Keep (3) Chacon
Immunize (2) Carrillo

[Nhoj]

7 Manuel Chaves

keep
3 Chacon

[Niemeyerite]

Gutierrez Mellado was a conservative politician, but I won't vote to eliminate him because of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnIcQKf557Y

when Antonio Tejero made his Coup d'état to the Congress of Deputies, almost every congresperson bent down, but Gutierrez Mellado tried to stop Tejero (that's useless, Tejero had a rifle, but it was a sign of loyalty to the democracy). And Carrillo didn't bend down, either. Tejero even said the first person who would be killed would be Carrillo.

[BenNebbich]

Eliminate

10 Gonzalez

[Edu]

Keep
10 for Felipe Gonzalez

[Niemeyerite]

Keep
10 for Felipe Gonzalez

thanks

[Niemeyerite]

The president of the PSOE (and sorry, I forgot to write he's the president of the PSOE, what I think is a very important information hahaha), eliminated:

Manuel Chaves - 10 points:



______________________________________________________

Felipe Gonzalez - 6 votes
Leopoldo Calvo Sotelo - 4 votes
Manuel Gutiérrez Mellado - 3 votes
Miguel Herrero y Rodriguez de Miñón - 2 votes
Adolfo Suárez - -3 votes
Carme Chacón - -3 votes
______________________________________________________

Carme Chacón is inmune again, for 5 rounds.

______________________________________________________


Adolfo Suárez González (1st President of our democracy: 1976-1981)

Leopoldo Calvo-Sotelo y Bustelo (2nd President: 1981-1982)

Felipe González Márquez (3rd President: 1982-1996)

Manuel Gutiérrez Mellado (1st VP and Minister of Defence: 1977-1981)

Alfredo Pérez Rubalcaba (Minister of Education and Sciences, Minister of the Presidency under Gonzalez and VP, Minister of the Interior and potential candidate for Presidency next year)

Enrique Tierno Galvan (Mayor of Madrid, leader of the PSP, PSOE congressperson)

Carme Chacon (Minister of Housing, Minister of Defence and potential candidate for the Presidency next year) Inmune until round 10 Inmune

Santiago Carrillo (General Secretary of the PCE, philosopher, political analyst, one of the parents of the Constitution)

Javier Solana (Minister of Culture, Minister of Education and Sciences, Minister of Foreign Affairs, Secretary General of NATO, General Secretary of the Council of the European Union, High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy)

Joaquin Almunia (General secretary of PSOE and candidate in 2000, Minister of the Public Administration, Minister of Labour and Social Works, European Commissioner for Economic and Monetary Affairs, European Commissioner for Competition)

Miguel Herrero y Rodríguez de Miñón (one of the parents of our Constitution, leader of the opposition)

Miquel Roca i Junyent (one of the 7 parents of the Constitution, leader of CiU)

Gregorio Peces-Barba (one of the parents of the Constitution, President of the Congress, Rector of Carlos III University)

José Bono ("Baron del PSOE", President of Castilla La-Mancha, Minister of Defence, currently, President of the Congress)

_________________________________________________

This round, you have  5 votes to split 3-2 or 4 votes to eliminate one politician, and you have 2 points to keep or 1 to keep and the other to give inmunity for 4 rounds

And, I'll go on holidays to my friend's village (Tomelloso) for 10 days, so goodbye people!! Enjoy the summer and vote, please !!!! If everything goes well, I'll be here by the 10th.

Visit Spain in the summer hahaha...

[BenNebbich]

Eliminate

4 Gonzalez

Keep

2 Carrillo

[big bad fab]

Eliminate
3 Tierno Galvan
2 Perez Rubalcaba

Keep
1 Calvo Sotelo

Immunize
1 Suarez

[Hans-im-Glück]

Eliminate:
4  Miquel Roca i Junyent

Keep:
1  Felipe Gonzalez

Immune:
1  Adolfo Suárez