OLD: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (See new thread: Reference Only)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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I take by that last post, that Antonio now accepts this as friendly correct?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yes.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators have 24 hours to object to passage of the amendment.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The Amendment has passed.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Just letting you know that Polnut has PMed me with his proposals, and that I will soon examine them and offer a compromise version.

[Ban my account ffs!]

Being that it has been a week, and the president has indicated that a compromise isn't yet on the docket, I'm inclined to motion for a vote on this.  I would urge my fellow senators to vote no on the bill as it is and allow Antonio to introduce a new bill(s) that is easier to digest.

I might suggest splitting it into 2 or 3 bills and putting the most crucial stuff in the 1st bill, followed by less crucial parts.  I know you probably view the whole thing as crucial, Antonio, but it will sit here forever as it is.

[Antonio the Sixth]

This is what I propose (relative to the benefits) :

Health insurance no change

Unemployment insurance Reduce the unemployment benefits to :
- 80% in the 1st year
- 60% in the 2nd year
- 40% in the 3rd year and after.

Lower the maximum benefit from $4000 to $3000.

Parenthood insurance Strike it outright

Elderly insurance set a maximum pension at $8000

Minor insurances no change

This is for the prestations. As for the funding, I'd wait for Barnes to give us his expertise onthe best ways of taxation. But first of all, I'd like to know if you Senators would get along with such a bill. If these changes don't satisfy you, then it's probably better to give up and table the bill. Otherwise, we can expect it to be passed by August.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Are you offering that as an amendment or is it just a proposal of an idea?

[Antonio the Sixth]

I'd like to first hear my fellow Senators' feelings.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Damn that delay.

[Antonio the Sixth]

If nobody does even bother answering, we can as well call a final vote. I'm fed up with this bill, so yeah, better giving up now than spending more energy in a bill doomed to fail. Even if that means my entire term in the Senate will have been a useless waste.

[Bacon King]

If nobody does even bother answering, we can as well call a final vote. I'm fed up with this bill, so yeah, better giving up now than spending more energy in a bill doomed to fail. Even if that means my entire term in the Senate will have been a useless waste.

Even if the bill fails right now, don't assume it was a waste. I can recall a number of times when a well-written bill failed to pass the Senate, but was revived and passed by other Senators at a later date.

While the complexity of this bill and the size of the discussion so far is indeed somewhat intimidating ( ) I don't think it's been a waste- there's still much potential here, whether this bill is further tinkered with and passed soon or if it's just something to be built on in the future.

[Antonio the Sixth]

If someone else tries reviving this and make it finally pass, it would be a great relief for me. Otherwise, well, it was worth a try.

[Bacon King]

So is anyone offering any new amendments, or no?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Here's what I propose. Let's wait until monday if we have some imput from other Senator. If there is a clear majority in favor of an hypothetical amended bill, let's go with an Amendment. Otherwise, call a final vote on the bill as it currently write.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The irony is, I was leaning towards most likely voting Aye on this even if it remained a huge expansion of the welfare state. And my plan is to still to do so when that time arises. My main concerns is that bill is concise and has effecient functionality. In a perfect world, we would have reached point in which we could all agree (even those who oppose it) that all the kinks had been worked out of it and it was ready to go. I just can't beleive that it didn't happen, that 1 person would litterally have to do it all to get it done, and 10 sets of eyes can catch more then 1. I tried to fix what jumped out at me as being wrong and did review several times the language to look for other problems. But after a while it all just runs on the screen. And you carefully examine a single line, but then rush through six lines before you remember what you are doing.

It would help though if we could on a regular basis no where each Senator stands. I had asked for this to be done before, but that was like pulling chickens teeth. But I will try once more:

Senators, if a vote were to be held on this right now, how would you vote and what changes would be needed to change a nay or abstain into an aye?

[Antonio the Sixth]

It's not like I'm asking for something very long and boring. I just want a damn comment in the style "yay your bill is awesome I'll vote for it all the way !" or "I'm not supporting this worthless piece of trash anytime soon !" or "I'd support it if you cut/expand this, this and this"

[Napoleon]

I'd vote Nay.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I'd vote Nay.

Guess why...

[Napoleon]

I'd vote Nay.

Guess why...

If I were a great Senator, I would say this bill is ridiculous and hackish.

BUT, I'm merely a simpleton among legends, so my reasoning is that this bill is too costly to afford while we spend so much money crusading overseas and that the taxes in this bill would be unnecessary if we cut our offense budget.

[Napoleon]

Tomorrow marks the six month anniversary of this cumbersome bill clogging the floor.

Motion to table

[Antonio the Sixth]

As I've seen you're also similar to Libertas in terms of maturity. Congrats, that's quite an achievement.

[Napoleon]

LOL being a shining example of maturity, am I right?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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I now see these should require seconds.   fucking children

A vote is now open on the Motion to Table the Comprehensive Social Security Act. Senator please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Abstain. Let's see what other Senators decide.