The Irony Oremine

[TheLeftwardTide]

I'd give up on politics for a little while. It'd be clear to me at that point that the Democratic Party will never change in the way it should. Maybe I'll focus on local politics, see what I can do in Louisiana or Georgia regarding activism, but federal politics would be a sport I'd no longer want to spectate.

You’d be so dismayed by a president who supports single-payer that you’d stop caring about politics. You voted for Trump in a swing state. Why aren’t you a Republican again?

A neoliberal essentially calls someone (that person being an ancestral Democrat) a DINO. Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black?

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Well we now know he's not a child

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

I'd give up on politics for a little while. It'd be clear to me at that point that the Democratic Party will never change in the way it should. Maybe I'll focus on local politics, see what I can do in Louisiana or Georgia regarding activism, but federal politics would be a sport I'd no longer want to spectate.

You’d be so dismayed by a president who supports single-payer that you’d stop caring about politics. You voted for Trump in a swing state. Why aren’t you a Republican again?

A neoliberal essentially calls someone (that person being an ancestral Democrat) a DINO. Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black?

He doesn't support "liberalization" of the economy AFAIK.

[RINO Tom]

I'd give up on politics for a little while. It'd be clear to me at that point that the Democratic Party will never change in the way it should. Maybe I'll focus on local politics, see what I can do in Louisiana or Georgia regarding activism, but federal politics would be a sport I'd no longer want to spectate.

You’d be so dismayed by a president who supports single-payer that you’d stop caring about politics. You voted for Trump in a swing state. Why aren’t you a Republican again?

A neoliberal essentially calls someone (that person being an ancestral Democrat) a DINO. Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black?

He doesn't support "liberalization" of the economy AFAIK.

Who?  SG or Heat?  SG is decidedly left on economic matters.

[Figueira]

Why does anyone give a sh**t that someone kneeled?

Conservatives aren't happy unless they are outraged by something.

Lol. 

This is pretty funny.

TBF Conservatives are very prone to outrage too. Almost to the same degree. But they manage to be less annoying somehow.

     Conservative and liberal outrage differ in important ways, principally in terms of differing attitudes toward change. I find a great deal of liberal outrage hilariously overwrought (often coming down to calling policies that were the accepted law of the land just a decade ago irredeemably evil), but I am sure you could find any number of liberals who are happy to express the same opinion about conservative outrage. As it happens, perspective counts.

I love seeing conservatives using the "legal=perfectly OK" argument.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

I'd give up on politics for a little while. It'd be clear to me at that point that the Democratic Party will never change in the way it should. Maybe I'll focus on local politics, see what I can do in Louisiana or Georgia regarding activism, but federal politics would be a sport I'd no longer want to spectate.

You’d be so dismayed by a president who supports single-payer that you’d stop caring about politics. You voted for Trump in a swing state. Why aren’t you a Republican again?

A neoliberal essentially calls someone (that person being an ancestral Democrat) a DINO. Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black?

He doesn't support "liberalization" of the economy AFAIK.

Who?  SG or Heat?  SG is decidedly left on economic matters.

Heat, and by "liberalization", I mean deregulation, tax cuts, etc.

[heatcharger]

I'd give up on politics for a little while. It'd be clear to me at that point that the Democratic Party will never change in the way it should. Maybe I'll focus on local politics, see what I can do in Louisiana or Georgia regarding activism, but federal politics would be a sport I'd no longer want to spectate.

You’d be so dismayed by a president who supports single-payer that you’d stop caring about politics. You voted for Trump in a swing state. Why aren’t you a Republican again?

A neoliberal essentially calls someone (that person being an ancestral Democrat) a DINO. Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black?

He doesn't support "liberalization" of the economy AFAIK.

Who?  SG or Heat?  SG is decidedly left on economic matters.

Heat, and by "liberalization", I mean deregulation, tax cuts, etc.

I am admittedly much less captivated by left-wing rhetoric than I once was regarding unions, taxes (of the corporate and payroll variety), and especially trade agreements, but it would be pretty disingenuous to compare my views to figures such as Ronald Reagan or Margaret Thatcher.

Regardless my ideological drift away from the left is not particularly relevant to whether or not it's ironic or hypocritical for me to imply a Trump voter is a Republican. I've voted strictly for Democrats in every election I've been eligible to vote in, and that's not changing anytime soon. Most "neoliberals" didn't donate to and vote for Bernie Sanders either. But it's now just a meaningless buzzword used to evoke whatever negative emotions people hold about the establishment, however substantial or unsubstantial they may be.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Virtually no one here knows what a "neoliberal" is and basically no one using the word correctly. Neoliberalism means things like imposing shock therapy on newly free economies and imposement of austerity by outside forces like the IMF ala Greece.

It doesn't mean "relatively pro-business pro-free trade Democrat" or "Democrat who a leftist doesn't like".

[TheLeftwardTide]

I'd give up on politics for a little while. It'd be clear to me at that point that the Democratic Party will never change in the way it should. Maybe I'll focus on local politics, see what I can do in Louisiana or Georgia regarding activism, but federal politics would be a sport I'd no longer want to spectate.

You’d be so dismayed by a president who supports single-payer that you’d stop caring about politics. You voted for Trump in a swing state. Why aren’t you a Republican again?

A neoliberal essentially calls someone (that person being an ancestral Democrat) a DINO. Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black?

He doesn't support "liberalization" of the economy AFAIK.

Who?  SG or Heat?  SG is decidedly left on economic matters.

Heat, and by "liberalization", I mean deregulation, tax cuts, etc.

I am admittedly much less captivated by left-wing rhetoric than I once was regarding unions, taxes (of the corporate and payroll variety), and especially trade agreements, but it would be pretty disingenuous to compare my views to figures such as Ronald Reagan or Margaret Thatcher.

Regardless my ideological drift away from the left is not particularly relevant to whether or not it's ironic or hypocritical for me to imply a Trump voter is a Republican. I've voted strictly for Democrats in every election I've been eligible to vote in, and that's not changing anytime soon. Most "neoliberals" didn't donate to and vote for Bernie Sanders either. But it's now just a meaningless buzzword used to evoke whatever negative emotions people hold about the establishment, however substantial or unsubstantial they may be.

The thing is, terms such as "liberal", "classical liberal", and "neoliberal" don't really hold specific meaning. The "Liberal Party" in Australia is the right-wing party, whereas the "Liberal Party" in Canada is the center-left party. I personally define the term "neoliberal" as coupling neoclassical views on economics with social liberalism. Basically Third Way style politics.

There are several things that pointed me in viewing you as such:
- Ironic socialist avatar + rose (largely the symbol of European center-left parties such as Labour)
- Massive support for unfettered free trade
- Election predictions that basically boil down to "centrist = winner, leftist = loser" (I actually would like to see you disprove this by linking a post in the past three months that predicts a left-wing win)

However (and this is the most important part), these are just my subjective, rough estimations of your political beliefs, and I may be very, very wrong in this regard. I will admit that I was wrong to call you a neoliberal in the face of evidence, like I did to a certain Israeli independent.

B-b-b-but all D-Virginia posters are supply siders deep down !

Guess I better change my avatar to D-VA then, to reverse this trend (I did live in NoVA for 9 months). The D-MD avatars are generally quite constructive anyway (with one exception).

In all seriousness, heatcharger has an S-VA avatar at the time of posting this...

"everybody is a Republican except for MEEEEEE"

This is a blatant strawman, and a poor one at that - I'm not even close to being the most left-wing D avatar (Bandit3 earns that award).

[Santander]

Susan Collins (D)

It's okay to wish she were in your party, buddy, but she's not.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I hope this is satire.

[RINO Tom]

Susan Collins (D)

It's okay to wish she were in your party, buddy, but she's not.

That's not ironic, you're just bored and didn't have anything to say back.

[Santander]

At least I admit it, unlike most conservatives.

LOL, you're not a conservative.

[RINO Tom]

At least I admit it, unlike most conservatives.

LOL, you're not a conservative.

Posted that a little too soon, genius.

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Santander will you stop trying to get RINO Tom to leave the Republicans?  He's not going to join you people jeez.

[RINO Tom]

Santander will you stop trying to get RINO Tom to leave the Republicans?  He's not going to join you people jeez.

I'm more concerned that he doesn't really seem to know what irony means ... all of his brain blood seems to be in his raging hardon he gets whenever there is the slightest opportunity to copy and paste one of my posts here, LOL.

[JA]

At least I admit it, unlike most conservatives.

LOL, you're not a conservative.

Posted that a little too soon, genius.

Get a room, you two!

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

[heatcharger]

sad and stupid generation, but i woudn't generalize, that's the liberal way...

I know it’s shooting fish in a barrel but come on.

[Kingpoleon]

At least I admit it, unlike most conservatives.

LOL, you're not a conservative.

Posted that a little too soon, genius.

Did you make the next post in that thread just to “prove” Santander wrong?


That’s so sweet!

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

If only they had shown the respect to LGBT people that our allies do.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/transgender-pakistani-saudi-arabia-tortured-death-amna-meeno-11-custody-lgbt-rights-human-a7607446.html

Clearly your boy Trump knows what's going on then, since he loves both countries.

Unlike you, I've never supported Trump.

I gave him a chance. You've defended him a lot more than I ever have.

The talk of Russia hacking the election is nonsense. It's better to criticize Trump on substantive things like tax cuts, TrumpCare, coal subsidies, climate change, North Korea policy, travel ban, and so on.

Yes, it would indeed be pretty awesome if jfern would spend a quarter of the time criticizing Trump on any of those topics than he does bitching about a former First Lady/Senator/Secretary of State and now retired politician and current private citizen, the opposition party to Trump, or deflecting attacks on Trump and coming up with excuses and whataboutisms for his administration and Putin.

[Donerail]

And yours has Jacobin in it. I know exactly what my username represents, and I'm sure you know yours. We just have fundementally different ideas about what society and government should be like, though we're both well informed.

here is a post by some dude named 'biairite' where he claims to be well-informed about the world.

[Virginiá]

Yes, it would indeed be pretty awesome if jfern would spend a quarter of the time criticizing Trump on any of those topics than he does bitching about a former First Lady/Senator/Secretary of State and now retired politician and current private citizen, the opposition party to Trump, or deflecting attacks on Trump and coming up with excuses and whataboutisms for his administration and Putin.

If anything, I think it would do jfern a lot of good to, for at least one month, do nothing but look for the good in the world. Every time he feels a need to chime in on some thread about how "[person/place] is bad too," go look for something good in whatever he's talking about.

I used to despise jfern for his absurd Clinton whataboutism, no matter how irrelevant it was to the topic, but now I find him annoying primarily because of how pessimistic he is. By no means do I think that is his only problem, but looking at his posting history, you would think his only purpose in life is to highlight everything bad in the world and to make sure that no one ever gives anyone or anything any credit because perhaps they did something wrong too. If one day I woke up and all I had left to say anymore was how things suck and how x, y or z is terrible/hypocritical, then I don't think I'd even want to live anymore.

[RINO Tom]

All of these people are insufferable

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Your presence on this board is rape to our eyes and brains.

Both of them.