France bans the Burka and other veils

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The solution is to focus on assimilating immigrants rather than multiculturalism, which has utterly failed in the UK, imo.

I dunno man, you guys seem to really dig the Chicken Tikka Masala.

That's not Indian, though.

I think that might be his point; is there a finer symbol of multiculturalism than the Chicken Tikka Masala?

[afleitch]

The solution is to focus on assimilating immigrants rather than multiculturalism, which has utterly failed in the UK, imo.

I dunno man, you guys seem to really dig the Chicken Tikka Masala.

That's not Indian, though.

I think that might be his point; is there a finer symbol of multiculturalism than the Chicken Tikka Masala?

From Glasgow, 'Curry Capital' no less

[Хahar 🤔]

The solution is to focus on assimilating immigrants rather than multiculturalism, which has utterly failed in the UK, imo.

I dunno man, you guys seem to really dig the Chicken Tikka Masala.

That's not Indian, though.

I think that might be his point; is there a finer symbol of multiculturalism than the Chicken Tikka Masala?

But that could be construed as successful assimilation rather than multiculturalism.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

But that could be construed as successful assimilation rather than multiculturalism.

No. Assimilation would be restaurants owned by Asians selling roast chicken with gravy.

[Gustaf]

To answer some of the people replying to me...forcing someone to wear burqas is obviously already illegal. It's illegal to force anything on anyone in this respect.

What this law does is specifically banning voluntary wearing of burqas (I know it isn't specifically about burqas in a formal sense but we all know it is in the real world) since the forced wearing would be prohibited under normal laws anyway.

The beating of women obviously has nothing directly to do with it. Incidentally, I believe the women most often subjected to beatings are prostitutes but that's all right isn't it, opebo?

The nudity point, on the other hand, is actually interesting. I'm inclined to answer that nudity is not as culture-specific as clothing, but it does raise a valid point.

[The Mikado]

Women aren't brainwashed into wearing high heels.

Hahahahahaha!

"It's just a part of formal dress, dearie!  Everyone does it, princess!  You'll look so cute in these heels!"

It's completely expected at a certain social level for adult women, and wearing flats to a formal event would be seen as quite odd.

[Gustaf]

Women aren't brainwashed into wearing high heels.

Hahahahahaha!

"It's just a part of formal dress, dearie!  Everyone does it, princess!  You'll look so cute in these heels!"

It's completely expected at a certain social level for adult women, and wearing flats to a formal event would be seen as quite odd.

Since I was in the middle of the debate I didn't want to act rude, but yeah.

[Хahar 🤔]

But that could be construed as successful assimilation rather than multiculturalism.

No. Assimilation would be restaurants owned by Asians selling roast chicken with gravy.

I'm fairly sure I saw that in Tower Hamlets, but now I can't remember what my point was.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

In response to the nudity point I do support allowing public nudity, but only among women ages 18-40 who also meet certain physical criteria.

[k-onmmunist]

In response to the nudity point I do support allowing public nudity, but only among women ages 18-40 who also meet certain physical criteria.

Yeah, and that isn't even slightly sexist

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

In response to the nudity point I do support allowing public nudity, but only among women ages 18-40 who also meet certain physical criteria.

Yeah, and that isn't even slightly sexist

It may discriminate against men but I don't care.

[k-onmmunist]

In response to the nudity point I do support allowing public nudity, but only among women ages 18-40 who also meet certain physical criteria.

Yeah, and that isn't even slightly sexist

It may discriminate against men but I don't care.

It is also ageist as well as being simply stupid.

[Ban my account ffs!]

I agree with Dibble.  A woman's right to wear what she pleases should be protected.  That includes when her husband disapproves.  I'd hope prosecutors and judges would come down hard on men who are abusive towards their wives in such cases.  The only way to solve the problem of women being afraid to go to the authorities in such cases is to make the men fear the repercussions of his orgy of misogyny even more.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

The only way to solve the problem of women being afraid to go to the authorities in such cases is to make the men fear the repercussions of his orgy of misogyny even more.

No that this helps a lot in this debate, since it goes beyond the fact to force someone, but, concretely?

[dead0man]

European Court upholds French full veil ban

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[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Good. 'Freedom of religion' is a safeguard for reactionary and irrational systems of belief. What is needed is a 1920's USSR-style anti-religion campaign.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

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This is transparently farcical, although I guess they do cover their asses with the modifier 'expressly' there. If this was the case in any substantive way then why in the world would 'citizenship instruction' be on the table or the least bit relevant?

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Good. 'Freedom of religion' is a safeguard for reactionary and irrational systems of belief. What is needed is a 1920's USSR-style anti-religion campaign.

The 1920s USSR wouldn't allow you to have a lot of the things you have, Comrade Snowstalker.

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

Disgusting.

[Хahar 🤔]

Good. 'Freedom of religion' is a safeguard for reactionary and irrational systems of belief. What is needed is a 1920's USSR-style anti-religion campaign.

Trying too hard again.

[GMantis]

A surprisingly good decision by the European court.

[IceSpear]

Good. 'Freedom of religion' is a safeguard for reactionary and irrational systems of belief. What is needed is a 1920's USSR-style anti-religion campaign.

The 1920s USSR wouldn't allow you to have a lot of the things you have, Comrade Snowstalker.

You mean the communist utopia won't have my escargot and butter sauce served with a side of caviar and vintage red wine imported directly from Italy?

Screw this, I'm becoming a right winger.

[Tender Branson]

The FPÖ of course jumped on the anti-burka/veil train pretty quickly:



"Too beautiful for a veil. Against the islamisation of Europe."

This was posted by the Upper Austrian FPÖ-leader on his Facebook page recently.

The FPÖ will also introduce a motion in parliament this week to ban burkas from the Austrian public (a measure that will fail of course, because SPÖ and ÖVP are against it).

[Silent Hunter]

But that could be construed as successful assimilation rather than multiculturalism.

No. Assimilation would be restaurants owned by Asians selling roast chicken with gravy.

Don't some do that anyway?

[ingemann]

The FPÖ of course jumped on the anti-burka/veil train pretty quickly:

"Too beautiful for a veil. Against the islamisation of Europe."

This was posted by the Upper Austrian FPÖ-leader on his Facebook page recently.

The FPÖ will also introduce a motion in parliament this week to ban burkas from the Austrian public (a measure that will fail of course, because SPÖ and ÖVP are against it).

DPP in Denmark have joined that band wagon as well, the government answered that while it may not be against human rights to ban burkas, veil etc., it would be against the Danish constitution. The rest of the opposition have been very silent, mostly because it was the old government, whose experts came to this conclusion.