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Question: The U.S. military budget should be
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« Reply #50 on: June 13, 2010, 01:55:30 AM »

Dramatically reduced.

When people talk about waste in government, the DoD should be a prime example.

Happy Memorial Day to you too.

Yes, today we remember all the innocent lives ruined and destroyed thanks to the U.S. government and its long history of senseless warmongering.

You're politicizing their deaths.

Politicizing their deaths is using it as an excuse to push your political agenda of a huge military and interventionist foreign policy.  That's politicizing their deaths.  Saying things like, "don't you care about those people who died?" so you can guilt people into accepting your politics.  That's politicizing their deaths.

Have you adopted support for a non-interventionist foreign policy? Cheesy

It's not so much that I'm non-interventionist as I am not interventionist.  I'm not opposed to the idea of alliances and strong foreign trade relations, but I'm not big on forcing our way on others or using international power to gain more support by force.

Trade relations are compatible with a non-interventionist foreign policy.

The basic principles of a non-interventionist foreign policy are the old Jeffersonian dictum:
"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations – entangling alliances with none."

Those are all good ideas but how do we achieve them?
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« Reply #51 on: June 13, 2010, 02:00:48 AM »

Dramatically reduced.

When people talk about waste in government, the DoD should be a prime example.

Happy Memorial Day to you too.

Yes, today we remember all the innocent lives ruined and destroyed thanks to the U.S. government and its long history of senseless warmongering.

You're politicizing their deaths.

Politicizing their deaths is using it as an excuse to push your political agenda of a huge military and interventionist foreign policy.  That's politicizing their deaths.  Saying things like, "don't you care about those people who died?" so you can guilt people into accepting your politics.  That's politicizing their deaths.

Have you adopted support for a non-interventionist foreign policy? Cheesy

It's not so much that I'm non-interventionist as I am not interventionist.  I'm not opposed to the idea of alliances and strong foreign trade relations, but I'm not big on forcing our way on others or using international power to gain more support by force.

Trade relations are compatible with a non-interventionist foreign policy.

The basic principles of a non-interventionist foreign policy are the old Jeffersonian dictum:
"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations – entangling alliances with none."

Those are all good ideas but how do we achieve them?

By not trying to intimidate every nation we deal with?  Then maybe we should stop arrogantly assuming whatever anyone says doesn't matter because if they disagree we'll just invade.  It's disrespectful and obnoxious.  That makes for an anything but peaceful situation that makes honesty and especially friendship difficult.
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« Reply #52 on: June 13, 2010, 02:02:29 AM »

Those are all good ideas but how do we achieve them?

Not through $10 trillion in military spending.

Building fighter jets that the Pentagon doesn't want because a Congressman in a Lockheed plant district wants to create jobs for his voters can do a lot of amazing things, but inspiring peace and friendship is not one of them.
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« Reply #53 on: June 13, 2010, 02:03:08 AM »

Dramatically reduced.

When people talk about waste in government, the DoD should be a prime example.

Happy Memorial Day to you too.

Yes, today we remember all the innocent lives ruined and destroyed thanks to the U.S. government and its long history of senseless warmongering.

You're politicizing their deaths.

Politicizing their deaths is using it as an excuse to push your political agenda of a huge military and interventionist foreign policy.  That's politicizing their deaths.  Saying things like, "don't you care about those people who died?" so you can guilt people into accepting your politics.  That's politicizing their deaths.

Have you adopted support for a non-interventionist foreign policy? Cheesy

It's not so much that I'm non-interventionist as I am not interventionist.  I'm not opposed to the idea of alliances and strong foreign trade relations, but I'm not big on forcing our way on others or using international power to gain more support by force.

Trade relations are compatible with a non-interventionist foreign policy.

The basic principles of a non-interventionist foreign policy are the old Jeffersonian dictum:
"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations – entangling alliances with none."

Those are all good ideas but how do we achieve them?
End the wars, bring the troops home (from all 130 countries they're stationed in), end foreign aid, abolish tariffs, abolish managed trade agreements like NAFTA, end sanctions and embargoes like that against Cuba, etc, etc.
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« Reply #54 on: June 13, 2010, 02:22:17 AM »

Dramatically reduced.

When people talk about waste in government, the DoD should be a prime example.

Happy Memorial Day to you too.

Yes, today we remember all the innocent lives ruined and destroyed thanks to the U.S. government and its long history of senseless warmongering.

You're politicizing their deaths.

Politicizing their deaths is using it as an excuse to push your political agenda of a huge military and interventionist foreign policy.  That's politicizing their deaths.  Saying things like, "don't you care about those people who died?" so you can guilt people into accepting your politics.  That's politicizing their deaths.

Have you adopted support for a non-interventionist foreign policy? Cheesy

It's not so much that I'm non-interventionist as I am not interventionist.  I'm not opposed to the idea of alliances and strong foreign trade relations, but I'm not big on forcing our way on others or using international power to gain more support by force.

Trade relations are compatible with a non-interventionist foreign policy.

The basic principles of a non-interventionist foreign policy are the old Jeffersonian dictum:
"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations – entangling alliances with none."

Those are all good ideas but how do we achieve them?
End the wars, bring the troops home (from all 130 countries they're stationed in), end foreign aid, abolish tariffs, abolish managed trade agreements like NAFTA, end sanctions and embargoes like that against Cuba, etc, etc.

That sounds like isolationism.
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« Reply #55 on: June 13, 2010, 02:31:49 AM »

Dramatically reduced.

When people talk about waste in government, the DoD should be a prime example.

Happy Memorial Day to you too.

Yes, today we remember all the innocent lives ruined and destroyed thanks to the U.S. government and its long history of senseless warmongering.

You're politicizing their deaths.

Politicizing their deaths is using it as an excuse to push your political agenda of a huge military and interventionist foreign policy.  That's politicizing their deaths.  Saying things like, "don't you care about those people who died?" so you can guilt people into accepting your politics.  That's politicizing their deaths.

Have you adopted support for a non-interventionist foreign policy? Cheesy

It's not so much that I'm non-interventionist as I am not interventionist.  I'm not opposed to the idea of alliances and strong foreign trade relations, but I'm not big on forcing our way on others or using international power to gain more support by force.

Trade relations are compatible with a non-interventionist foreign policy.

The basic principles of a non-interventionist foreign policy are the old Jeffersonian dictum:
"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations – entangling alliances with none."

Those are all good ideas but how do we achieve them?
End the wars, bring the troops home (from all 130 countries they're stationed in), end foreign aid, abolish tariffs, abolish managed trade agreements like NAFTA, end sanctions and embargoes like that against Cuba, etc, etc.

That sounds like isolationism.

It's not, however.
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« Reply #56 on: June 13, 2010, 02:49:36 AM »

Dramatically reduced.

When people talk about waste in government, the DoD should be a prime example.

Happy Memorial Day to you too.

Yes, today we remember all the innocent lives ruined and destroyed thanks to the U.S. government and its long history of senseless warmongering.

You're politicizing their deaths.

Politicizing their deaths is using it as an excuse to push your political agenda of a huge military and interventionist foreign policy.  That's politicizing their deaths.  Saying things like, "don't you care about those people who died?" so you can guilt people into accepting your politics.  That's politicizing their deaths.

Have you adopted support for a non-interventionist foreign policy? Cheesy

It's not so much that I'm non-interventionist as I am not interventionist.  I'm not opposed to the idea of alliances and strong foreign trade relations, but I'm not big on forcing our way on others or using international power to gain more support by force.

Trade relations are compatible with a non-interventionist foreign policy.

The basic principles of a non-interventionist foreign policy are the old Jeffersonian dictum:
"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations – entangling alliances with none."

Those are all good ideas but how do we achieve them?
End the wars, bring the troops home (from all 130 countries they're stationed in), end foreign aid, abolish tariffs, abolish managed trade agreements like NAFTA, end sanctions and embargoes like that against Cuba, etc, etc.

That sounds like isolationism.

It sounds like making the United States an equal part of the community of nations, and not a nation atop a pedestal, arrogant and hated by billions.
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« Reply #57 on: June 13, 2010, 03:08:12 AM »

No, guys, we can't help other countries unless we're holding a gun while doing it.
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« Reply #58 on: June 13, 2010, 10:03:02 AM »

There are quite a few Pentagon projects that need to be slashed to pieces (I've made my opposition to the National Missile Defense program quite clear elsewhere), but that should be coupled with pay-and-benefit rises for our servicemen.
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« Reply #59 on: June 13, 2010, 02:46:14 PM »

There are quite a few Pentagon projects that need to be slashed to pieces (I've made my opposition to the National Missile Defense program quite clear elsewhere), but that should be coupled with pay-and-benefit rises for our servicemen.

What is the reason for this?
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« Reply #60 on: June 13, 2010, 07:51:42 PM »

If anything it needs to be increased each year until Al-Qaida is no more!
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« Reply #61 on: June 13, 2010, 07:57:39 PM »

If anything it needs to be increased each year until Al-Qaida is no more!

If you want to get rid of al-Qaeda, cutting the CIA budget is the way to go.
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« Reply #62 on: June 13, 2010, 08:03:38 PM »

If anything it needs to be increased each year until Al-Qaida is no more!

If you want to get rid of al-Qaeda, cutting the CIA budget is the way to go.

How so?
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« Reply #63 on: June 14, 2010, 12:57:03 AM »

If anything it needs to be increased each year until Al-Qaida is no more!

If you want to get rid of al-Qaeda, cutting the CIA budget is the way to go.

How so?

The CIA wouldn't be able to afford maintaining al-Qaeda.
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« Reply #64 on: June 14, 2010, 12:42:58 PM »

If anything it needs to be increased each year until Al-Qaida is no more!

If you want to get rid of al-Qaeda, cutting the CIA budget is the way to go.

How so?

The CIA wouldn't be able to afford maintaining al-Qaeda.

We can't cut defense spending for Al-Qaida reasons too. that's right
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