Cut Wasteful Military Spending!

[Bo]

Option 1

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Option 1, but only after we are well out of the recession. Don't want to lay off people now.

Uh, one reason we are in recession is because we waste so much damn money on government boondoggles like the "Defense" department.

[President Mitt]

Option 1, but only after we are well out of the recession. Don't want to lay off people now.

You don't necessarily have to lay people off to decrease large chunks of Military Spending.

[Derek]

Dramatically reduced.

When people talk about waste in government, the DoD should be a prime example.

Happy Memorial Day to you too.

Yes, today we remember all the innocent lives ruined and destroyed thanks to the U.S. government and its long history of senseless warmongering.

You're politicizing their deaths.

[phk]

Somewhat torn. If military spending is reduced I would prefer it to be a draw down from overseas bases instead of any cuts to R&D.

I mean without military spending there might not be an internet to host this forum.

[King]

Dramatically reduced.

When people talk about waste in government, the DoD should be a prime example.

Happy Memorial Day to you too.

Yes, today we remember all the innocent lives ruined and destroyed thanks to the U.S. government and its long history of senseless warmongering.

You're politicizing their deaths.

And you're trying to use their deaths as a rationale for a bloated military budget.

How about we double to education budget to commemorate the Columbine shooting?  Or bring in socialized health care to honor those who died of cancer this year?

[dead0man]

I'm saddened that nobody has mentioned that we should cut ALL "wasteful" spending, military or otherwise.  Of course we should cut wasteful military spending....it's wasteful.

I wonder what the numbers would be if we questioned if we should cut wasteful educational spending.

[opebo]

I'm saddened that nobody has mentioned that we should cut ALL "wasteful" spending, military or otherwise.  Of course we should cut wasteful military spending....it's wasteful.

I wonder what the numbers would be if we questioned if we should cut wasteful educational spending.

I guess the reason is that 'wasteful' is subjective.  Leaving that aside, probably a majority of this forum would prefer a much smaller military as a policy choice, just to reduce the amount of abuse to which we subject the world.

[dead0man]

Or maybe we could start voting for people not as keen on pissing off the world.  Remember, the military doesn't get to pick where we go kill brown people at, Democrats and Republicans get together and figure it all out.  I'm proudly 0 for 5 in Presidential elections and one of the main reasons for that is because I don't think we should have troops all over the world.  I'd be willing to bet this "majority" of the forum you speak of that wants a smaller military as a policy choice can't say the same and have proudly pulled the lever for Obama, Kerry or Bush.

But I understand it's easier to swallow when you can just blame the evil military and don't blame yourselves for electing these war hungry asshats.  Lets not vote out the people sending us there, lets just tell them we want the military to do a worse job when we send them around the world to kill brown people.

[opebo]

Its like the gun control argument - sure, one 'blames' the guy weilding it, not the gun, but the fact remains if he didn't have the gun his destructiveness would be enormously blunted.

[dead0man]

So lets not fix our atittude, lets just nerf us!  That can't possibly lead to anything bad.  On the bright side, I guess we'd deserve it.

[opebo]

So lets not fix our atittude, lets just nerf us!  That can't possibly lead to anything bad.  On the bright side, I guess we'd deserve it.

haha, like castrating a serial rapist.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I'm saddened that nobody has mentioned that we should cut ALL "wasteful" spending, military or otherwise.  Of course we should cut wasteful military spending....it's wasteful.

I wonder what the numbers would be if we questioned if we should cut wasteful educational spending.

Yes, we should cut all wasteful spending. But military spending is by far the greatest offender.

[Derek]

Are your clothes from Sept.10, 2001 as well?

[President Mitt]

Are your clothes from Sept.10, 2001 as well?

Do you need a trillion dollar army goose stepping around the streets to make you feel safe?

[fezzyfestoon]

Dramatically reduced.

When people talk about waste in government, the DoD should be a prime example.

Happy Memorial Day to you too.

Yes, today we remember all the innocent lives ruined and destroyed thanks to the U.S. government and its long history of senseless warmongering.

You're politicizing their deaths.

Politicizing their deaths is using it as an excuse to push your political agenda of a huge military and interventionist foreign policy.  That's politicizing their deaths.  Saying things like, "don't you care about those people who died?" so you can guilt people into accepting your politics.  That's politicizing their deaths.

[Derek]

Are your clothes from Sept.10, 2001 as well?

Do you need a trillion dollar army goose stepping around the streets to make you feel safe?

Not on my street but it could do us some good in Compton City.

[Derek]

Its like the gun control argument - sure, one 'blames' the guy weilding it, not the gun, but the fact remains if he didn't have the gun his destructiveness would be enormously blunted.

Or one blames gun control for a victim not having a gun in self defense. Sure the murderer fired a gun he knew how to get illegally, but it really wasn't the murderer or the murderer's gun that stopped the victim from defending himself. It was the anti-American gun control law that violated or second amendment.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Dramatically reduced.

When people talk about waste in government, the DoD should be a prime example.

Happy Memorial Day to you too.

Yes, today we remember all the innocent lives ruined and destroyed thanks to the U.S. government and its long history of senseless warmongering.

You're politicizing their deaths.

Politicizing their deaths is using it as an excuse to push your political agenda of a huge military and interventionist foreign policy.  That's politicizing their deaths.  Saying things like, "don't you care about those people who died?" so you can guilt people into accepting your politics.  That's politicizing their deaths.

Have you adopted support for a non-interventionist foreign policy?

[Derek]

Dramatically reduced.

When people talk about waste in government, the DoD should be a prime example.

Happy Memorial Day to you too.

Yes, today we remember all the innocent lives ruined and destroyed thanks to the U.S. government and its long history of senseless warmongering.

You're politicizing their deaths.

Politicizing their deaths is using it as an excuse to push your political agenda of a huge military and interventionist foreign policy.  That's politicizing their deaths.  Saying things like, "don't you care about those people who died?" so you can guilt people into accepting your politics.  That's politicizing their deaths.

Have you adopted support for a non-interventionist foreign policy?

Me? That would work except for it's too late.

[Free Palestine]

Dramatically reduced.

When people talk about waste in government, the DoD should be a prime example.

Happy Memorial Day to you too.

Yes, today we remember all the innocent lives ruined and destroyed thanks to the U.S. government and its long history of senseless warmongering.

You're politicizing their deaths.

Politicizing their deaths is using it as an excuse to push your political agenda of a huge military and interventionist foreign policy.  That's politicizing their deaths.  Saying things like, "don't you care about those people who died?" so you can guilt people into accepting your politics.  That's politicizing their deaths.

Have you adopted support for a non-interventionist foreign policy?

I was about to sort-of ask the same question.  Haven't heard him use the word "interventionist" before.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Dramatically reduced.

When people talk about waste in government, the DoD should be a prime example.

Happy Memorial Day to you too.

Yes, today we remember all the innocent lives ruined and destroyed thanks to the U.S. government and its long history of senseless warmongering.

You're politicizing their deaths.

Politicizing their deaths is using it as an excuse to push your political agenda of a huge military and interventionist foreign policy.  That's politicizing their deaths.  Saying things like, "don't you care about those people who died?" so you can guilt people into accepting your politics.  That's politicizing their deaths.

Have you adopted support for a non-interventionist foreign policy?

Me? That would work except for it's too late.

I was talking to fezzy. You've made it clear that you do not support a conservative foreign policy.

[Derek]

Dramatically reduced.

When people talk about waste in government, the DoD should be a prime example.

Happy Memorial Day to you too.

Yes, today we remember all the innocent lives ruined and destroyed thanks to the U.S. government and its long history of senseless warmongering.

You're politicizing their deaths.

Politicizing their deaths is using it as an excuse to push your political agenda of a huge military and interventionist foreign policy.  That's politicizing their deaths.  Saying things like, "don't you care about those people who died?" so you can guilt people into accepting your politics.  That's politicizing their deaths.

Have you adopted support for a non-interventionist foreign policy?

Me? That would work except for it's too late.

I was talking to fezzy. You've made it clear that you do not support a conservative foreign policy.

Are you the same person as Senator Libertas? I support a foreign policy where we have a Federations United or F.U. This would only include nations that had free elections.

[fezzyfestoon]

Dramatically reduced.

When people talk about waste in government, the DoD should be a prime example.

Happy Memorial Day to you too.

Yes, today we remember all the innocent lives ruined and destroyed thanks to the U.S. government and its long history of senseless warmongering.

You're politicizing their deaths.

Politicizing their deaths is using it as an excuse to push your political agenda of a huge military and interventionist foreign policy.  That's politicizing their deaths.  Saying things like, "don't you care about those people who died?" so you can guilt people into accepting your politics.  That's politicizing their deaths.

Have you adopted support for a non-interventionist foreign policy?

It's not so much that I'm non-interventionist as I am not interventionist.  I'm not opposed to the idea of alliances and strong foreign trade relations, but I'm not big on forcing our way on others or using international power to gain more support by force.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Dramatically reduced.

When people talk about waste in government, the DoD should be a prime example.

Happy Memorial Day to you too.

Yes, today we remember all the innocent lives ruined and destroyed thanks to the U.S. government and its long history of senseless warmongering.

You're politicizing their deaths.

Politicizing their deaths is using it as an excuse to push your political agenda of a huge military and interventionist foreign policy.  That's politicizing their deaths.  Saying things like, "don't you care about those people who died?" so you can guilt people into accepting your politics.  That's politicizing their deaths.

Have you adopted support for a non-interventionist foreign policy?

It's not so much that I'm non-interventionist as I am not interventionist.  I'm not opposed to the idea of alliances and strong foreign trade relations, but I'm not big on forcing our way on others or using international power to gain more support by force.

Trade relations are compatible with a non-interventionist foreign policy.

The basic principles of a non-interventionist foreign policy are the old Jeffersonian dictum:
"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations – entangling alliances with none."