Northeast Assembly Thread

[homelycooking]

The bill needs lots of work if it's going to win my support. Section three is unnecessary, and it seems unconscionable to me that we should automatically grant all companies that don't outsource (a term not defined) a 15% tax deduction.

I don't think that the commission needs more than three members, but I would be willing to serve in Cincinnatus', Winfield's or Simfan's place should any of the three find themselves unable to work for the commission.

[Lincoln Republican]

The bill needs lots of work if it's going to win my support. Section three is unnecessary, and it seems unconscionable to me that we should automatically grant all companies that don't outsource (a term not defined) a 15% tax deduction.

I don't think that the commission needs more than three members, but I would be willing to serve in Cincinnatus', Winfield's or Simfan's place should any of the three find themselves unable to work for the commission.

I would be pleased to have Simfan, Cincinnatus, and yourself, homelycooking, serve on the commission.  I guess Simfan and I will have to get wiki accounts.  I will not be on the commission, but I will have to have a wiki account as I will be responsible for updates, from what I understand.

Do we PM Dave to get accounts, or how does it work exactly?

[Cincinnatus]

The bill needs lots of work if it's going to win my support. Section three is unnecessary, and it seems unconscionable to me that we should automatically grant all companies that don't outsource (a term not defined) a 15% tax deduction.

I don't think that the commission needs more than three members, but I would be willing to serve in Cincinnatus', Winfield's or Simfan's place should any of the three find themselves unable to work for the commission.

I would be pleased to have Simfan, Cincinnatus, and yourself, homelycooking, serve on the commission.  I guess Simfan and I will have to get wiki accounts.  I will not be on the commission, but I will have to have a wiki account as I will be responsible for updates, from what I understand.

Do we PM Dave to get accounts, or how does it work exactly?

Yes, PM Dave.  He gave me access a day or two after I asked for it, so PM him as soon as possible so that he can see it.  Best to write something like "Wiki Access Request" as the title.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Yeah, it was crap, and probably unconstitutional.

[Cincinnatus]

Don't let that stop you from proposing other bills.  I'm always willing to debate whatever you propose with one position or another.

Also, I think that if homely is able to join the commission that would be fantastic.  Realistically, I think the commission would be best served with someone who has experience in the region, and knows more about past Assembly work.  Having worked on the Statute Review, I think Homely has a greater sense of direction than I.  I will be a member, but I hope that homely can join and lend a leading hand

[homelycooking]

Time for debate has expired. Members will now vote on the bill - this will be a 24 hour vote.

Members will also recommend three potential members for the Wiki Review Commission.

[Cincinnatus]

Nay on the bill

3 potential members;

Myself
Homelycooking
Simfan (?)

[homelycooking]

Nay on the bill. I recommend Cincinnatus, Simfan and Winfield.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Nay on my own bill.

[Napoleon]

I'm rather disappointed we didn't get a better debate on on this. It was a good opportunity to tackle unemployment.

[tpfkaw]

Stupid bill, but Aye

[homelycooking]

I'm rather disappointed we didn't get a better debate on on this. It was a good opportunity to tackle unemployment.

Well, to be fair, its sponsor called it "crap" and didn't seem willing to amend it. Another bill would probably be the best vehicle for that debate.

[homelycooking]

On the previous question the ayes are one and the nays are three. The bill is not agreed to.

Cincinnatus, Simfan, Winfield and homelycooking have been recommended to the Wiki Review Commission. If you are among these four, please notify your acceptance or rejection of your recommendation and, if you accept, become a member of the commission.

The Assembly will now consider the following bill, proposed by the gentleman from Rhode Island, Governor Winfield.

The Northeast Region Voting Act

In all Northeast Region elections, the 20 minute rule whereby a voter can change their vote within 20 minutes of casting it shall be eliminated.  The original vote as cast by the voter shall be their only valid vote.

Debate will last 48 hours and begins now.

[Lincoln Republican]

On the previous question the ayes are one and the nays are three. The bill is not agreed to.

Cincinnatus, Simfan, Winfield and homelycooking have been recommended to the Wiki Review Commission. If you are among these four, please notify your acceptance or rejection of your recommendation and, if you accept, become a member of the commission.

The Assembly will now consider the following bill, proposed by the gentleman from Rhode Island, Governor Winfield.

The Northeast Region Voting Act

In all Northeast Region elections, the 20 minute rule whereby a voter can change their vote within 20 minutes of casting it shall be eliminated.  The original vote as cast by the voter shall be their only valid vote.

Debate will last 48 hours and begins now.

I believe it would be in the best interests of the Northeast for the three who have actually expressed a willingness already to serve on the commission, Simfan, homelycooking, and Cincinnatus, to comprise the commission.  Since the three of you have already expressed this interest, I will not be accepting a place on the commission.

[Lincoln Republican]

On the previous question the ayes are one and the nays are three. The bill is not agreed to.

Cincinnatus, Simfan, Winfield and homelycooking have been recommended to the Wiki Review Commission. If you are among these four, please notify your acceptance or rejection of your recommendation and, if you accept, become a member of the commission.

The Assembly will now consider the following bill, proposed by the gentleman from Rhode Island, Governor Winfield.

The Northeast Region Voting Act

In all Northeast Region elections, the 20 minute rule whereby a voter can change their vote within 20 minutes of casting it shall be eliminated.  The original vote as cast by the voter shall be their only valid vote.

Debate will last 48 hours and begins now.

This bill could be renamed

The Elimination Of The Twenty Minute Voting Rule Bill

or something along those lines.

I would urge support for this bill, as we have seen in the last federal election, this 20 minute time frame to change a vote leaves open the possibility of a voter being manipulated into changing, or even invalidating their vote due to being pressured by someone else.

Our own Senator Napoleon was the victim of this blatant pressure and manipulation in the last election.

One person, one vote, per election, is a fair way to vote.  This bill eliminates any possibility of a voter being manipulated or pressured in any way by someone else.

This bill personifies democracy in action.

This bill is fair and just and puts all voters on an equal footing in every election.

The will of the people must prevail, not the will of manipulators looking out for their own interests.

I urge the Assembly to get behind democracy and support this bill.

Thank you.

 

[homelycooking]

I agree with the sponsor's sentiments and support this bill. I would just amend it thus for clarity as follows, since "20 minute rule" isn't precise.

Vote Sanctity Act

A voter who edits his ballot any length of time after it has been posted in the voting booth thread for any Northeast Election nullifies it. Election authorities shall not count a ballot altered in the above manner.

I accept my recommendation to the commission.

[Cincinnatus]

I agree with homely's amendment.

I also accept my recommendation to the commission, and hope that as soon as simfan does the same we can get to work.

[Lincoln Republican]

I as well agree with homely's amendment.

Thank you for your well thought out amendment.

It does add more clarity to the bill.

[Free Palestine]

I believe that people should be allowed the opportunity to change their vote within a reasonable timeframe, if they so wish.

[homelycooking]

I believe that people should be allowed the opportunity to change their vote within a reasonable timeframe, if they so wish.

I do not. One's vote should be not be a bargaining chip, to be altered as one wishes after the fact to sway potential political allies or punish political enemies. It should reflect the final and irrevocable outcome of a voter's personal deliberation over the merits of the candidates at hand, and should be treated as such.

Should a voter make an error in his ballot, he still should not be permitted to fix it. That voter should have made sure that his ballot was accurate before posting it.

[Napoleon]

Well said, Speaker, well said.

[tpfkaw]

This bill is absurd.  20 minutes is a reasonable timeframe in which one can change one's mind or (more importantly), correct errors.  Should people be forced to cast any vote in which they mistakenly rank the candidates in the wrong order?

[Napoleon]

This bill is absurd.  20 minutes is a reasonable timeframe in which one can change one's mind or (more importantly), correct errors.  Should people be forced to cast any vote in which they mistakenly rank the candidates in the wrong order?

Voters have 72 hours of voting to mull it over. If a voter fails to check their ballot for accuracy, the responsibility falls on that voter. Mind changing and error checking can be done before any ballot is cast (and should be). This is how voting proceeds in a normal democracy.

[homelycooking]

I believe that a voter who is careless enough to cast a vote which does not reflect his true opinions or preferences, whether through error or partisan machination, does not appreciate the democratic process. It is a fitting punishment that any such voter deprives himself of the ability to make his own true voice resonate through society.

[Free Palestine]

Except, we're not a "normal democracy."  This is the Internet.