Atlasian Conservative Organization Scores

[Marokai Backbeat]

The ACO will score the Global Treaty Organization Expansion Bill 2.   A vote for the bill will increase a Senators' overall ACO, ACO Economic and ACO Foreign Policy scores.

Why?

I'm curious as well. Although, I oppose the whole thing, so I'm happy to get a bad score.

As do I. Supporting increased intervention in affairs unrelated to our nation's well-being as well as ceding national sovereignty to a multinational organization are the antithesis of conservatism.

Well I don't oppose it on those grounds. I'm more than open to ceding national sovereignty for a good cause. I simply see the GTO as an unnecessary organization and an excuse to ignore/work around the United Nations and pick and choose the nations we like and don't like.

[Alexander Hamilton]

The ACO will score the Global Treaty Organization Expansion Bill 2.   A vote for the bill will increase a Senators' overall ACO, ACO Economic and ACO Foreign Policy scores.

Why?

I'm curious as well. Although, I oppose the whole thing, so I'm happy to get a bad score.

As do I. Supporting increased intervention in affairs unrelated to our nation's well-being as well as ceding national sovereignty to a multinational organization are the antithesis of conservatism.

Well I don't oppose it on those grounds. I'm more than open to ceding national sovereignty for a good cause. I simply see the GTO as an unnecessary organization and an excuse to ignore/work around the United Nations and pick and choose the nations we like and don't like.

Of course you wouldn't. But an Atlasian Conservative Organization would.

[cinyc]

The ACO will score the Global Treaty Organization Expansion Bill 2.   A vote for the bill will increase a Senators' overall ACO, ACO Economic and ACO Foreign Policy scores.

Why?

Atlasia is already a member of the Global Treaty Organization.  That bridge has been crossed.

The bill expands membership to include our most important allies, including Canada, Chile and New Zealand.  It's a mutual defense pact with cooperation on terrorism and drug trafficking.  Think NATO.

Since the organization only indirectly impacts free trade, I'm not going to make it impact ACO Economic scores - just ACO Overall and Foreign Policy.

Edited to add: The ACO's theoretical framework scores foreign policy votes that effectuate NEO-CON foreign policies positively.  Expanding mutual defense pacts to aid in the war on terror fit that - though they might not effectuate PALEO-CON isolationist policies.

Plus, I don't see another foreign policy vote in the queue and want to get at least two foreign policy votes scored this session.

[cinyc]

First scores are up, based on voting on the Emergency Resolution Authorizing Use of Force Against Terrorists.   Almost every Senator voted for it, so everyone but Sen. Fritz (absent) has an ACO and ACO-FP score of 100.  Yeah, it's early and that will change.

Sen. NCYankee stated support after voting period was closed.  Since it was a quick vote, we've counted that in the scoring.  If Sen. Fritz wants to state a position for the record, we will use it to calculate his ACO scores, too.   The voting period was too short to penalize a Senator for not voting or stating a position on the final legislation.

[cinyc]

Scores updated to reflect votes on the 'Merton Rule' Bill, which passed 7-2.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I recommend scoring the porno bill

[cinyc]

I recommend scoring the porno bill

It very likely will be when it goes to the Senate floor.  It's the only social policy bill I see in the queue.

The ACO is not scoring the anti-smoking bill.

[afleitch]

Scores updated to reflect votes on the 'Merton Rule' Bill, which passed 7-2.

A note to Cynic; perhaps look into Atlasian legislation based on real legislation a bit closer The 'Merton Rule' is a very pro-business bill

From House of Commons Library:

93. The London Borough of Merton, which had campaigned for the inclusion of target-setting in PPS 22, was the first local authority to adopt this approach in setting a target for all non-residential developments above a threshold of 1,000 m2 to incorporate at least 10% of their energy needs from renewable energy equipment. The first development required to meet the target was a 4,500 m2 set of industrial units. There, the developer installed ten micro-wind turbines and nine kilowatts of solar photovoltaic capacity. The Council has been surprised by the response of construction companies to its policy. Whereas some detractors had argued that it would drive away developers, put off by the cost of meeting the 10% rule, in fact the opposite has proved the case. Companies building in Merton have seen the policy as providing them with an opportunity to "get ahead of the game in designing, constructing and marketing low carbon buildings for the future" In addition, the extra construction costs of less than 3% resulting from the policy can be offset by the ability of the developer to sell the units at a premium because of their energy-saving technologies.

[Marokai Backbeat]

American and European Conservatives think very differently, Afleitch.

[Associate Justice PiT]

American and European Conservatives think very differently, Afleitch.

     That aside, scoring a bill seems like a poor idea if the choices are basically between being pro-business & being pro-free market.

[Alexander Hamilton]

American and European Conservatives think very differently, Afleitch.

     That aside, scoring a bill seems like a poor idea if the choices are basically between being pro-business & being pro-free market.

I'm pro-business personally. What good is a free market if businesses aren't encouraged to thrive by the government. Business and commerce are essential to GDP growth and increased standards of living.

[afleitch]

American and European Conservatives think very differently, Afleitch.

But businesses the world over think the same

[Associate Justice PiT]

American and European Conservatives think very differently, Afleitch.

     That aside, scoring a bill seems like a poor idea if the choices are basically between being pro-business & being pro-free market.

I'm pro-business personally. What good is a free market if businesses aren't encouraged to thrive by the government. Business and commerce are essential to GDP growth and increased standards of living.

     I wasn't aware that business & commerce would cease to exist were it not for it being actively promoted by the government.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

American and European Conservatives think very differently, Afleitch.

     That aside, scoring a bill seems like a poor idea if the choices are basically between being pro-business & being pro-free market.

I'm pro-business personally. What good is a free market if businesses aren't encouraged to thrive by the government. Business and commerce are essential to GDP growth and increased standards of living.

     I wasn't aware that business & commerce would cease to exist were it not for it being actively promoted by the government.

The real Alexander Hamilton would have made the same arguement that Alex is making here. Governemnt has always had a role in promoting business either intentionally or unintentionally.

[cinyc]

American and European Conservatives think very differently, Afleitch.

     That aside, scoring a bill seems like a poor idea if the choices are basically between being pro-business & being pro-free market.

To the ACO, the bill represented an unfunded mandate on Atlasian businesses AND something that is traditionally left up to the regions, not the federal government.

Those are the reasons why the bill was scored as it was.

If the proposed building codes saved money in the long run, Atlasian businesses would build that way regardless of what the law says.  It would make their buildings more attractive to potential renters and buyers.

[Хahar 🤔]

American and European Conservatives think very differently, Afleitch.

     That aside, scoring a bill seems like a poor idea if the choices are basically between being pro-business & being pro-free market.

I'm pro-business personally. What good is a free market if businesses aren't encouraged to thrive by the government. Business and commerce are essential to GDP growth and increased standards of living.

Corporatism?

[Alexander Hamilton]

American and European Conservatives think very differently, Afleitch.

     That aside, scoring a bill seems like a poor idea if the choices are basically between being pro-business & being pro-free market.

I'm pro-business personally. What good is a free market if businesses aren't encouraged to thrive by the government. Business and commerce are essential to GDP growth and increased standards of living.

Corporatism?

No. I am anti-corporatism. I am a small business type of guy.

[Verily]

American and European Conservatives think very differently, Afleitch.

     That aside, scoring a bill seems like a poor idea if the choices are basically between being pro-business & being pro-free market.

I'm pro-business personally. What good is a free market if businesses aren't encouraged to thrive by the government. Business and commerce are essential to GDP growth and increased standards of living.

Corporatism?

No. I am anti-corporatism. I am a small business type of guy.

So businesses must be encouraged to thrive, but not too much, because then they might become big businesses. You sound like a regulator's dream

[Alexander Hamilton]

American and European Conservatives think very differently, Afleitch.

     That aside, scoring a bill seems like a poor idea if the choices are basically between being pro-business & being pro-free market.

I'm pro-business personally. What good is a free market if businesses aren't encouraged to thrive by the government. Business and commerce are essential to GDP growth and increased standards of living.

Corporatism?

No. I am anti-corporatism. I am a small business type of guy.

So businesses must be encouraged to thrive, but not too much, because then they might become big businesses. You sound like a regulator's dream

I probably am. I support strong economic management, however, not necessarily "interference."

[Brandon H]

So one can have a low Foreign Policy rating but it doesn't necessarily mean that the person isn't conservative.

I've noticed most big business only support the free market when it is in their favor. Likewise, they will do the same for regulations and subsidies when that helps them. And that's one of the main things that determine the difference between capitalism and corporatism.

[Associate Justice PiT]

American and European Conservatives think very differently, Afleitch.

     That aside, scoring a bill seems like a poor idea if the choices are basically between being pro-business & being pro-free market.

To the ACO, the bill represented an unfunded mandate on Atlasian businesses AND something that is traditionally left up to the regions, not the federal government.

Those are the reasons why the bill was scored as it was.

If the proposed building codes saved money in the long run, Atlasian businesses would build that way regardless of what the law says.  It would make their buildings more attractive to potential renters and buyers.

     It wasn't meant to be a criticism of the job you are doing here. I was just pointing out that if we were to consider it a pro-business measure as afleitch suggested, it would be better to not just score it.

So one can have a low Foreign Policy rating but it doesn't necessarily mean that the person isn't conservative.

I've noticed most big business only support the free market when it is in their favor. Likewise, they will do the same for regulations and subsidies when that helps them. And that's one of the main things that determine the difference between capitalism and corporatism.

     I'm reading a book by Murray Rothbard right now. He argues that among the biggest statists in our society are the corporations, & that while they might complain about taxation, they want the government to prop them up as much as possible.

[DownWithTheLeft]

RowanBrandon continuing to be the most conservative senator, I just wish he'd come back to our side but if he wants to be the most conservative of the liberals let him be

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

RowanBrandon continuing to be the most conservative senator, I just wish he'd come back to our side but if he wants to be the most conservative of the liberals let him be

Aren't you forgeting someone . I believe I am tied with him. You should say "one of the most" or "among the most", but not just "the most".

[Alexander Hamilton]

Yeah, at least NC Yankee brings something of substance to the Senate. DWTL, I think Rowan is more of a drone than someone like Fritz is. Quite unfortunate, because I think he could make some noteworthy contributions if he really wanted to.

[DownWithTheLeft]

RowanBrandon continuing to be the most conservative senator, I just wish he'd come back to our side but if he wants to be the most conservative of the liberals let him be

Aren't you forgeting someone . I believe I am tied with him. You should say "one of the most" or "among the most", but not just "the most".

Well I'll admit that I haven't paid full attention to the latest senate, but our opposition to the porn bill especially made me quite worried.  There is no reason to limit civil liberties