GOP Mississippi gubernatorial candidate refuses to be alone with female reporter

[fhtagn]

“Vichy traitor to her gender”.

Yeah, pretty much. And proudly so.

I mean, it takes a special level of troll to blame women have come forward to relate their stories of sexual abuse and harassment for some southern fried dill dough refusing to be interviewed by a female reporter without Witnesses, or the various knuckle draggers in this thread thinking that this is completely normal.

So yeah, don't roll your eyes just because I call a spade a spade.

Never blamed legitimate victims of sexual assault/harassment, only the scum that have abused what should have been an important movement and ruined it for survivors and innocent people who are falsely accused.

[Rookie Yinzer]

I’m so tired of this story. The virtue signaling left can’t leave it alone and he is lapping it up like a puppy because it’s making him relevant. We know MS Republicans are deplorable fake Christian racist hypocrites. This isn’t news.

[Fight for Trump]

“Vichy traitor to her gender”.

Yeah, pretty much. And proudly so.

I mean, it takes a special level of troll to blame women have come forward to relate their stories of sexual abuse and harassment for some southern fried dill dough refusing to be interviewed by a female reporter without Witnesses, or the various knuckle draggers in this thread thinking that this is completely normal.

So yeah, don't roll your eyes just because I call a spade a spade.

Badger, I'm on your side, but I think what Cath is rolling his eyes about is the idea that you can be a "traitor to your gender" at all. Of course, women can be anti-woman, but "gender traitor" implies all sorts of other things, like that men (or at least, men's interests) are on a different "side" than women, or that men can be gender traitors, or that people owe loyalty to others of their gender. It's a silly characterization and unnecessarily provocative.

[Badger]

“Vichy traitor to her gender”.

Yeah, pretty much. And proudly so.

I mean, it takes a special level of troll to blame women have come forward to relate their stories of sexual abuse and harassment for some southern fried dill dough refusing to be interviewed by a female reporter without Witnesses, or the various knuckle draggers in this thread thinking that this is completely normal.

So yeah, don't roll your eyes just because I call a spade a spade.

Never blamed legitimate victims of sexual assault/harassment, only the scum that have abused what should have been an important movement and ruined it for survivors and innocent people who are falsely accused.

Sure, but far more than implied that they are coming out he rather than a rare exception to the rule. Not to mention willingly giving coverage to some real downright handmaid's tale sh**t of this guy excluding a newspaper reporter from being able to do their job because such false reports are obviously so dime a dozen.

[Badger]

“Vichy traitor to her gender”.

Yeah, pretty much. And proudly so.

I mean, it takes a special level of troll to blame women have come forward to relate their stories of sexual abuse and harassment for some southern fried dill dough refusing to be interviewed by a female reporter without Witnesses, or the various knuckle draggers in this thread thinking that this is completely normal.

So yeah, don't roll your eyes just because I call a spade a spade.

Badger, I'm on your side, but I think what Cath is rolling his eyes about is the idea that you can be a "traitor to your gender" at all. Of course, women can be anti-woman, but "gender traitor" implies all sorts of other things, like that men (or at least, men's interests) are on a different "side" than women, or that men can be gender traitors, or that people owe loyalty to others of their gender. It's a silly characterization and unnecessarily provocative.

Oh, I hear what you're saying. And if the party in question wer a longtime fundamentalist Christian, basically a female version of fuzzy, I would tend to agree. However, she is gone from being a Jill Stein voter in the last couple years to suddenly converting from being pro-choice and obviously betraying, as I understand it, her own lgbtq Community, just so she can get pats on the head and personal affirmation from the focus on the family right-wing types she's recently cozied up to. She's someone who decided that owning the libs in filling some void in her life was the most important ideological requirement.

So yeah, on that basis I'm more than happy to say that's exactly what's going on here. She's become the equivalent of Uncle Ruckus for women.

More to the point, it's beyond ridiculous that any sentient person would defend this type of garbage of not being willing to sit down with a reporter because one fears a frivolous sexual harassment claim. One can write that off as a bunch of neckbeard basement dwellers, but to be a woman and write off the vast majority of people who braved public censure and ridicule to report her own sexual harassment as "scum", takes a special level of collaboration with awful people.

Nevertheless, Santander, you are invariably a voice of reason on the rare occasions you aren't trolling , and I will accordingly follow your advice and simply say that anyone who buys into this as normal or acceptable behavior because of the me-too movement is a complete twat, regardless of gender.

[Slander and/or Libel]

People who think this is reasonable are implicitly assuming that every woman who claims to have been a victim of sexual harassment or sexual assault is automatically to be presumed a liar. There's just no two ways around it.

[fhtagn]

People who think this is reasonable are implicitly assuming that every woman who claims to have been a victim of sexual harassment or sexual assault is automatically to be presumed a liar. There's just no two ways around it.

We should never assume all accusations are true, just as we should not assume all accusations are lies. There's nothing wrong with waiting for the facts to come out before immediately assuming someone is a rapist or that someone is lying about it. In fact, that's what we should be doing.

[Reaganfan]

This will be the sad legacy of "MeToo". Infantizing women's equality.

"I was gonna hold the door for you, but are you sure you won't be offended?"

[fhtagn]

but to be a woman and write off the vast majority of people who braved public censure and ridicule to report her own sexual harassment as "scum", takes a special level of collaboration with awful people.

I never did that. Reading is fundamental, Badger.

[7,052,770]

In related news, another Mississippi governor candidate, Bill Waller Jr, ... does and has done the exact same thing!
https://mississippitoday.org/2019/07/15/waller-gop-guv-hopeful-and-ex-chief-justice-cites-common-sense-in-also-not-meeting-with-women-alone/

The guy was Chief Justice of the Mississippi Supreme Court and by rule would never be alone with his female clerks or other female justices.

This is just insane. It's one thing for married people not to go out and party and socialize with members of the opposite sex if they feel that's appropriate, but it's crazy to screw with people's careers like this. I would be so fired from my job if I starting treating my male and female direct reports differently and giving the men opportunities women couldn't have, but I guess Republicans in government play by different rules.

[GP270watch]

In related news, another Mississippi governor candidate, Bill Waller Jr, ... does and has done the exact same thing!
https://mississippitoday.org/2019/07/15/waller-gop-guv-hopeful-and-ex-chief-justice-cites-common-sense-in-also-not-meeting-with-women-alone/

The guy was Chief Justice of the Mississippi Supreme Court and by rule would never be alone with his female clerks or other female justices.

This is just insane. It's one thing for married people not to go out and party and socialize with members of the opposite sex if they feel that's appropriate, but it's crazy to screw with people's careers like this. I would be so fired from my job if I starting treating my male and female direct reports differently and giving the men opportunities women couldn't have, but I guess Republicans in government play by different rules.

 It's very sexist and certainly impacts the careers and advancement opportunities for women. This is like the kind of thing we criticize "backwards" countries for doing.

 

[Horus]

That's pretty weird.

[Badger]

but to be a woman and write off the vast majority of people who braved public censure and ridicule to report her own sexual harassment as "scum", takes a special level of collaboration with awful people.

I never did that. Reading is fundamental, Badger.

And yet, you really kind of did. Integrity is fundamental

[I Can Now Die Happy]

This will be the sad legacy of "MeToo". Infantizing women's equality.

"I was gonna hold the door for you, but are you sure you won't be offended?"

Great point Reaganfan, not to mention that this applies to every other leftist cause aside from MeToo. Backfire backfire backfire!

[Slander and/or Libel]

People who think this is reasonable are implicitly assuming that every woman who claims to have been a victim of sexual harassment or sexual assault is automatically to be presumed a liar. There's just no two ways around it.

We should never assume all accusations are true, just as we should not assume all accusations are lies. There's nothing wrong with waiting for the facts to come out before immediately assuming someone is a rapist or that someone is lying about it. In fact, that's what we should be doing.

If you're positing some middle ground where a rape accusation is made and you assume neither that the accused is a rapist nor that the accuser is a liar, I'd like to see you defend it more. Because in regular day to day life, there is a general presumption necessary to processing any claims. If you're saying "I'm not going to alter my opinion of the accused until [arbitrary thing] happens," you're telling the accuser that their word isn't worth anything to you.

[dead0man]

how the hell have you people successfully talked about this for four pages?  I tried to read it and went into a coma halfway down page 2.  Most of you are better than this (some of you are perfect for this).  I get that it's mostly scoring points with teammates, but isn't that boring?

[Slander and/or Libel]

how the hell have you people successfully talked about this for four pages?  I tried to read it and went into a coma halfway down page 2.  Most of you are better than this (some of you are perfect for this).  I get that it's mostly scoring points with teammates, but isn't that boring?

Thank you for this substantive contribution.

[RI]

Nothing wrong with covering yourself. I don't meet with female students alone, but in common areas. It's not that the risk of a disgruntled student falsely saying something is high; it's that the cost is astronomical and thus the expected value is still a concern.

And it's not "every woman you meet" who requires caution. It's those you have power over (which is also a good courtesy to ensure they feel comfortable) or those with a natutal incentive to have an issue with you (e.g. opposing partisans if you're in a political position).

[7,052,770]

Nothing wrong with covering yourself. I don't meet with female students alone, but in common areas. It's not that the risk of a disgruntled student falsely saying something is high; it's that the cost is astronomical and thus the expected value is still a concern.

And it's not "every woman you meet" who requires caution. It's those you have power over (which is also a good courtesy to ensure they feel comfortable) or those with a natutal incentive to have an issue with you (e.g. opposing partisans if you're in a political position).

"I don't meet with black students alone, but in common areas. It's not that the risk of one of them murdering me is that high, it's just that cost is astronomical."

Seriously, what the hell kind of school allows such a policy? Allowing male students that female students are denied surely can't fly anywhere?

[Senator Incitatus]

Nobody should ever be left alone with a journalist of either sex.

[Badger]

Nothing wrong with covering yourself. I don't meet with female students alone, but in common areas. It's not that the risk of a disgruntled student falsely saying something is high; it's that the cost is astronomical and thus the expected value is still a concern.

And it's not "every woman you meet" who requires caution. It's those you have power over (which is also a good courtesy to ensure they feel comfortable) or those with a natutal incentive to have an issue with you (e.g. opposing partisans if you're in a political position).

"I don't meet with black students alone, but in common areas. It's not that the risk of one of them murdering me is that high, it's just that cost is astronomical."

Seriously, what the hell kind of school allows such a policy? Allowing male students that female students are denied surely can't fly anywhere?

This x 100.

[T'Chenka]

Nothing wrong with covering yourself. I don't meet with female students alone, but in common areas. It's not that the risk of a disgruntled student falsely saying something is high; it's that the cost is astronomical and thus the expected value is still a concern.

And it's not "every woman you meet" who requires caution. It's those you have power over (which is also a good courtesy to ensure they feel comfortable) or those with a natutal incentive to have an issue with you (e.g. opposing partisans if you're in a political position).

"I don't meet with black students alone, but in common areas. It's not that the risk of one of them murdering me is that high, it's just that cost is astronomical."

Seriously, what the hell kind of school allows such a policy? Allowing male students that female students are denied surely can't fly anywhere?

It's not exactly the same thing. Well-meaning teachers have to be careful not to put themselves in situations where unfounded #MeToo allegations could cost them their job. Is this the world we want to live in? No. Is this the world we actually live in? Yes. I'm not happy at all about the reality of the situation, but I acknowledge it as a reality.

Perhaps he should also not meet alone with male students, in order to treat all students equally as they should be treated.

[Gustaf]

That the modern-day Republican party is pro-rape is kind of old news at this point.