NY-17: Lowey retiring

[Calthrina950]

Chelsea Clinton will NOT run for the seat.

This is great news. Hopefully, we will never have to see her inside the halls of Congress as a legislator.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Now we need to keep Carlucci (R-DINO) from winning the primary!

[smoltchanov]

Now we need to keep Carlucci (R-DINO) from winning the primary!

I would like all Republicans to be ideologicaly where Carlucci stands)))

[TWTown]

https://twitter.com/MondaireJones/status/1182383565042003970

And endorsed because I don’t see anyone better contesting this seat.

[Figueira]

Now we need to keep Carlucci (R-DINO) from winning the primary!

I would like all Republicans to be ideologicaly where Carlucci stands)))

I mean, sure, but I would also like all representatives from Democratic districts to be Democrats.

[smoltchanov]

Now we need to keep Carlucci (R-DINO) from winning the primary!

I would like all Republicans to be ideologicaly where Carlucci stands)))

I mean, sure, but I would also like all representatives from Democratic districts to be Democrats.

As you surely know - not every Democrat is a "bold progressive". And, personally, i have as little desire for that to happen as for all Republicans to be a "tea party extremists".

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Now we need to keep Carlucci (R-DINO) from winning the primary!

I would like all Republicans to be ideologicaly where Carlucci stands)))

I mean, sure, but I would also like all representatives from Democratic districts to be Democrats.

As you surely know - not every Democrat is a "bold progressive". And, personally, i have as little desire for that to happen as for all Republicans to be a "tea party extremists".

As you surely know, Carlucci is functionally a Republican

[smoltchanov]

Now we need to keep Carlucci (R-DINO) from winning the primary!

I would like all Republicans to be ideologicaly where Carlucci stands)))

I mean, sure, but I would also like all representatives from Democratic districts to be Democrats.

As you surely know - not every Democrat is a "bold progressive". And, personally, i have as little desire for that to happen as for all Republicans to be a "tea party extremists".

As you surely know, Carlucci is functionally a Republican

Surely not. He could be compared with 1960th-1970th Republicans, but no comparison with present ones.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Now we need to keep Carlucci (R-DINO) from winning the primary!

I would like all Republicans to be ideologicaly where Carlucci stands)))

I mean, sure, but I would also like all representatives from Democratic districts to be Democrats.

As you surely know - not every Democrat is a "bold progressive". And, personally, i have as little desire for that to happen as for all Republicans to be a "tea party extremists".

As you surely know, Carlucci is functionally a Republican

Surely not. He could be compared with 1960th-1970th Republicans, but no comparison with present ones.

I’m referring to the fact that he helped give control of the NY State Senate to the Republicans while part of the IDC (of which he was a founding member) in exchange for various goodies for himself and his friends (as opposed to his district.  The guy is a greedy, megalomaniacal sketchball with no principles except those which stand to help him personally at any given moment.  In an effort to enrich himself, Carlucci, Klein, and others functionally became de facto members of the NY state senate Republican caucus and in so doing actively thwarted the will of their districts’ voters as long as it was personally convenient.  This isn’t about ideological Puritanism, it’s about Carlucci’s lack of any meaningful ideology and embrace of the Republican Party.  He made his bed and now he can lie in it. 

Moreover, politics isn’t a game.  When bad policies are implemented or good ideas can’t get enough support, people often get hurt and sometimes die.  It doesn’t really matter whether electing one type of candidate makes things more or less “interesting” nor should it.  To suggest otherwise is to indulge intellectual hedonism in the worst sense of the word.  And no matter what their constituents thought, it was still wrong for any southern legislator to oppose the civil rights movement.  There’s a fine line between deference to the will of the voters and moral malfeasance.

Finally, for all you often profess to be concerned about the will of the voters, your implied support for Carlucci makes such claims ring hollow.  We’re talking about someone whose first major act in the state senate was to blatantly and directly subvert the will of his constituents for his own selfish gain, something he continued to do for nearly a decade.  There are non-ideological ways one can be a DINO/RINO and he’s a textbook example. 

[smoltchanov]

Now we need to keep Carlucci (R-DINO) from winning the primary!

I would like all Republicans to be ideologicaly where Carlucci stands)))

I mean, sure, but I would also like all representatives from Democratic districts to be Democrats.

As you surely know - not every Democrat is a "bold progressive". And, personally, i have as little desire for that to happen as for all Republicans to be a "tea party extremists".

As you surely know, Carlucci is functionally a Republican

Surely not. He could be compared with 1960th-1970th Republicans, but no comparison with present ones.

I’m referring to the fact that he helped give control of the NY State Senate to the Republicans while part of the IDC (of which he was a founding member) in exchange for various goodies for himself and his friends (as opposed to his district.  The guy is a greedy, megalomaniacal sketchball with no principles except those which stand to help him personally at any given moment.  In an effort to enrich himself, Carlucci, Klein, and others functionally became de facto members of the NY state senate Republican caucus and in so doing actively thwarted the will of their districts’ voters as long as it was personally convenient.  This isn’t about ideological Puritanism, it’s about Carlucci’s lack of any meaningful ideology and embrace of the Republican Party.  He made his bed and now he can lie in it. 

Moreover, politics isn’t a game.  When bad policies are implemented or good ideas can’t get enough support, people often get hurt and sometimes die.  It doesn’t really matter whether electing one type of candidate makes things more or less “interesting” nor should it.  To suggest otherwise is to indulge intellectual hedonism in the worst sense of the word.  And no matter what their constituents thought, it was still wrong for any southern legislator to oppose the civil rights movement.  There’s a fine line between deference to the will of the voters and moral malfeasance.

Finally, for all you often profess to be concerned about the will of the voters, your implied support for Carlucci makes such claims ring hollow.  We’re talking about someone whose first major act in the state senate was to blatantly and directly subvert the will of his constituents for his own selfish gain, something he continued to do for nearly a decade.  There are non-ideological ways one can be a DINO/RINO and he’s a textbook example. 

No. For ME - DINO/RINO are purely ideological terms. Lary McDonald was typical DINO, and someone like former California state Senator Peter Behr could be called a RINO. But, if a person is pro-choice, mostly pro-environment and so on - he/she is no RINO for ME (at least - in these years). Carlucci, while surely not a "flaming liberal," more or less fits this description. And, you probably know, that "bold progressive" is frequently a "reverse tea-partier" to me: both are absolutely intolerant to all those, who doesn't share their views..

[Pyro]

Now we need to keep Carlucci (R-DINO) from winning the primary!

He officially announced on Monday. The primary now has four Democrats.

[YE]

https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1272210836401111047?s=21

Cautiously optimistic here given Jones has Bernie and AOC backings as well.

[Oryxslayer]

I'm not sure who is favored in the primary. Jones, as noted has the NYT and progressive endorsements, but progressives haven't really had success in the suburbs. He also lacks the demographic edge since almost all of Westchester's minority suburbs are with Engel, which is why Engel is probably disfavored in a primary right now. The majority white, mainly female suburban electorate is seems more likely to gravitate towards Farkas. However, she could lose votes to Schleifer who has spent most money.

Only person who probably won't win is Carlucci, given the rejection of the IDC in all regions of New York two years ago.

[Zaybay]

https://twitter.com/dkelections/status/1272995927775760385

[Oryxslayer]

https://twitter.com/dkelections/status/1272995927775760385

AKA we know nothing thanks to the 25% undecided. Push your leaners people.

[Zaybay]

https://twitter.com/dkelections/status/1272995927775760385

AKA we know nothing thanks to the 25% undecided. Push your leaners people.

They did push leaners, just in a different question.

Q4: 2nd choice

David Buchwald 7%
David Carlucci 6%
Asha Castleberry-Hernandez 3%
Evelyn Farkas 16%
Allison Fine 5%
Mondaire Jones 11%
Adam Schleifer 9%
Not sure 43%

Not a very clear favorite for undecideds.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

We can only hope Jones wins. Preferably Jones, but anyone but Carlucci.

If I wanted to vote for a Republican, I'd at least vote for the one who's proud about it.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

We can only hope Jones wins. Preferably Jones, but anyone but Carlucci.

If I wanted to vote for a Republican, I'd at least vote for the one who's proud about it.

This, except I'd prefer a Farkas win.  Still, the top priority is anyone but Diaz!

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Diaz is also dog**** that I would never vote for under any circumstances, but if you're going to make me choose between a homophobic Democrat or Republican, I'm taking the homophobic Democrat 100% of the time.

[Bismarck]

To what extent are NY dem primaries based on ethnicity? I know that’s a bigger deal in the northeast. Will Italians vote for Carluchi?

[Pyro]

https://twitter.com/dkelections/status/1272995927775760385

Holy moly!! Jones winning would be spectacular!