Murtha (D-PA) calls for immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.

[J. J.]

Alright! Murtha is gaining some sense! (^.^)

It wasn't Murtha.  This is the Republican version of "put up or shut."  The Democrats in the House are attempting to pull out.

Jack Murtha just proved that after being in the House for 31 years, he can still be an ass.

Knowing SoS, I don't think he was saying the withdrawal of the resolution indiciated Murtha had sense, he was saying the introduction of the resolution to withdraw made sense.

thank you.

You you are saying that you support both the resolution and the withdrawal of the resolution.

[The Duke]

Alright! Murtha is gaining some sense! (^.^)

It wasn't Murtha.  This is the Republican version of "put up or shut."  The Democrats in the House are attempting to pull out.

Jack Murtha just proved that after being in the House for 31 years, he can still be an ass.

Knowing SoS, I don't think he was saying the withdrawal of the resolution indiciated Murtha had sense, he was saying the introduction of the resolution to withdraw made sense.

thank you.

You you are saying that you support both the resolution and the withdrawal of the resolution.

He supports the withdrawal of troops only.  He does not support withdrawing the resolution to remove troops.

[J. J.]

Alright! Murtha is gaining some sense! (^.^)

It wasn't Murtha.  This is the Republican version of "put up or shut."  The Democrats in the House are attempting to pull out.

Jack Murtha just proved that after being in the House for 31 years, he can still be an ass.

Knowing SoS, I don't think he was saying the withdrawal of the resolution indiciated Murtha had sense, he was saying the introduction of the resolution to withdraw made sense.

thank you.

You you are saying that you support both the resolution and the withdrawal of the resolution.

He supports the withdrawal of troops only.  He does not support withdrawing the resolution to remove troops.

Okay, I'm trying to wade through what the Democrats want.  I take it it's immediate withdrawal.  I'm sorry, I'm confused.

Murtha was talking.  He favors removing the troops, re-instating the draft, and increasing defense spending.  Is there any reason I'm confused.

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Murtha's position is being straw manned.

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I don't see immediate withdraw there.

[Speed of Sound]

Alright! Murtha is gaining some sense! (^.^)

It wasn't Murtha.  This is the Republican version of "put up or shut."  The Democrats in the House are attempting to pull out.

Jack Murtha just proved that after being in the House for 31 years, he can still be an ass.

Knowing SoS, I don't think he was saying the withdrawal of the resolution indiciated Murtha had sense, he was saying the introduction of the resolution to withdraw made sense.

thank you.

You you are saying that you support both the resolution and the withdrawal of the resolution.

He supports the withdrawal of troops only.  He does not support withdrawing the resolution to remove troops.

Okay, I'm trying to wade through what the Democrats want.  I take it it's immediate withdrawal.  I'm sorry, I'm confused.

Murtha was talking.  He favors removing the troops, re-instating the draft, and increasing defense spending.  Is there any reason I'm confused.

ah, but i am not a Democrat, I am a socialist.

[The Duke]

Murtha's position is being straw manned.

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I don't see immediate withdraw there.

Its in Section 1, actually.

I was simply saying that SoS wants immediate withdrawl.

[ATFFL]

I believe the resolution under vote (just defeated 3-403 with 6 members voting present) was the resolution that Murtha put in the hopper himself.

Not 100% sure though.

vote results

Ayes:

McKinney
Serrano
Wexler

Present:
Capuano
Clay
Hinchey
McDermott
Nadler
Owens

Not Voting:

Beauprez
Berman
Boswell
Boyd
Camp
Cunningham
Davis (AL)
Flake
Fossella
Gallegly
Hall
Jindal
Kind
LaHood
Miller, Gary
Moran (KS)
Northup
Paul
Peterson (PA)
Shadegg
Towns
Young (AK)

All others were noes.

[Speed of Sound]

Im going to have to give Holden Hell for that one.

[J. J.]

Yopu know, I've heard Murtha use the "air conditioned offices" line when talking about Vietnam almost two decades ago.  Is he stuck in the sixties?

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You think what Murtha said will be popular? I would say quite the opposite.
What planet are you living on?  Have you seen any poll numbers in the last year on this issue?

Most people do not support a complete troop pullout in the coming months.

That is correct. 

In more general terms, however, sentiment against the Iraq War are running very high.  Murtha risks nothing by doing this, unless the media acctually took the drastic step of reporting all the good things that are going on over there.

Murtha is in no danger, but others are.  The media should be asking every Democrat whether or not they think Murtha is right.  It's a question with no good answer.

The media should ask themselves why they suck at reporting on Murtha's position.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Yopu know, I've heard Murtha use the "air conditioned offices" line when talking about Vietnam almost two decades ago.  Is he stuck in the sixties?

Possible; I know someone who's still basically stuck in the '40's. Came up with some very odd remarks about trenches, woollen vests and so on, when the actual war in Iraq was going on (oddly enough he was actually stationed in Iraq for a while in the early '40's).

[Democratic Hawk]

One of the troops in the field sent a message from one of the troops in the field just sent a message for his representative in Ohio.  It was, "Cowards cut and run, Marines never do."

While, I diasgree with Murtha's position and that the marine is entitled to his opinion, it was a disgraceful spectable by newly-elected OH-2 Rep. Jean Schmidt. A distinguished veteran like Murtha deserves respect on the floor of the House . Were I a GOP House leader, I'd have slapped her down

Schmidt should have delivered the marine's message to Murtha's office and not raised it in the House

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

I believe the resolution under vote (just defeated 3-403 with 6 members voting present) was the resolution that Murtha put in the hopper himself.

Not 100% sure though.

vote results

Ayes:

McKinney
Serrano
Wexler

Who are those fruits ?

Dave

[J. J.]

One of the troops in the field sent a message from one of the troops in the field just sent a message for his representative in Ohio.  It was, "Cowards cut and run, Marines never do."

While, I diasgree with Murtha's position and that the marine is entitled to his opinion, it was a disgraceful spectable by newly-elected OH-2 Rep. Jean Schmidt. A distinguished veteran like Murtha deserves respect on the floor of the House . Were I a GOP House leader, I'd have slapped her down

Schmidt should have delivered the marine's message to Murtha's office and not raised it in the House

Dave

It shouldn't have been directed at him by name (and the comment was withdrawn).  However, as has been pointed out, while Murtha served honorably, his war record was not "distinguished."  Since 1969, he has been holding some elective office representing part of Johnstown.  Prior to that he served in a combat zone for 1 year at the same time I was in kindergarten and first grade.  He has been milking it ever since.

In 1982, he actually defeated a fellow Democratic congressman who served in Vietnam longer, and was substantially more decorated than he was.

He, since 1990, after supporting the first Gulf War, and except for this one, has opposed every every deployment, including those of Bill Clinton.  The idea that he's a hawk or mainstream is really a misinterpretation of his record.