DRAFT (Insert Leftist Here) FOR PRESIDENT!

[Joe Republic]

I do love these arguments though. Look at the amount of people that go after me for going after Flyers yet always want to kind of brush aside what he did. I'll always remember when he went into a fit, calling me a supporter of Plutocracy and a hater of the fact that liberals registered in Atlasia when I questioned the GirlGoneWild account. And where's the real anger over that? It's gone. I don't want to constantly bring up this situation. I hate arguing about it. However, we have to keep this situation in our memories and make sure that it never happens again.

I'm not brushing anything aside.  I think what Flyers did was stupid and immoral, and Akno's cover-up was also a big mistake.  However, I'm just trying to restore some balance.

In any case, I would readily accept Flyers, Akno, George W. Bush and even Naso back to fantasy government if I believed they could give us reason to forgive them.

Unlike some, I don't hold grudges.

[Keystone Phil]

Given the choice between being underrepresented in dealings of great importance or being in the dark about something that happened 3 months prior, I'll take the latter, though neither is option is good.

It wasn't just "being in the dark" though. You flat out lied to people, too.

[Keystone Phil]

I do love these arguments though. Look at the amount of people that go after me for going after Flyers yet always want to kind of brush aside what he did. I'll always remember when he went into a fit, calling me a supporter of Plutocracy and a hater of the fact that liberals registered in Atlasia when I questioned the GirlGoneWild account. And where's the real anger over that? It's gone. I don't want to constantly bring up this situation. I hate arguing about it. However, we have to keep this situation in our memories and make sure that it never happens again.

I'm not brushing anything aside.  I think what Flyers did was stupid and immoral, and Akno's cover-up was also a big mistake.  However, I'm just trying to restore some balance.

In any case, I would readily accept Flyers, Akno, George W. Bush and even Naso back to fantasy government if I believed they could give us reason to forgive them.

Unlike some, I don't hold grudges.

I'm not holding a grudge. I'm holding them accountable. There was no reason to take the extreme measures they took for something related to Atlasian politics.

[Joe Republic]

There was no reason to take the extreme measures they took for something related to Atlasian politics.

I agree.  You could also argue that there is no reason to take the extreme measure of effectively forbidding their return to fantasy government.

[Keystone Phil]

There was no reason to take the extreme measures they took for something related to Atlasian politics.

I agree.  You could also argue that there is no reason to take the extreme measure of effectively forbidding their return to fantasy government.

But their initial actions went against the very reason we have Atlasian politics - for fun. They didn't care. When winning becomes that much of an issue and those actions are taken, they shouldn't return. They didn't care who they screwed over so we shouldn't care if they want to return. Sorry if it sounds harsh but I'd say the same if someone within my party did it too except I'd be even more embarassed.

[Joe Republic]

So do you think Mike Naso shouldn't ever return to fantasy government?  He matches everything you said in your last post.

[Keystone Phil]

So do you think Mike Naso shouldn't ever return to fantasy government?  He matches everything you said in your last post.

He wasn't as extreme, in my opinion, but I suggest that he stays away from Atlasian politics. I know I've relied on him for support and would have had a vote from him in June but what's fair is fair.

[Joe Republic]

I think I'm more of the opinion that we shouldn't permanently exclude people from the game for not playing fair.  I'm sure all of them have learned their lessons, and shown other people who were considering similar actions that it probably won't work and they'll get caught.

I'd be more than happy to welcome them back in if I believed they'd changed, and wouldn't make the same mistakes again.  Whether that's the case right now with Akno, Flyers or Naso is debatable.  But I'm not going to judge them forever.

[Keystone Phil]

  But I'm not going to judge them forever.

I don't judge them based on this and don't appreciate how you make it seem like I am doing that.

[Joe Republic]

That was unintentional.  But now that you mention it, you do give me that impression at times.  Why else do you believe Akno, Flyers and Naso are unfit to return to fantasy government?

[Keystone Phil]

That was unintentional.  But now that you mention it, you do give me that impression at times.  Why else do you believe Akno, Flyers and Naso are unfit to return to fantasy government?

Oh, in regards to holding a position in Atlasian government, those were the reasons and I'm sure many would give the exact same reasons for not wanting them to serve again. I thought you meant holding a grudge against them in everything they do because of that. That's certainly not the case.

[Joe Republic]

OK fair enough, but what about the other points I made in this post?:

I think I'm more of the opinion that we shouldn't permanently exclude people from the game for not playing fair. I'm sure all of them have learned their lessons, and shown other people who were considering similar actions that it probably won't work and they'll get caught.

I'd be more than happy to welcome them back in if I believed they'd changed, and wouldn't make the same mistakes again. Whether that's the case right now with Akno, Flyers or Naso is debatable. But I'm not going to judge them forever.

[Keystone Phil]

OK fair enough, but what about the other points I made in this post?:

I think I'm more of the opinion that we shouldn't permanently exclude people from the game for not playing fair. I'm sure all of them have learned their lessons, and shown other people who were considering similar actions that it probably won't work and they'll get caught.

I'd be more than happy to welcome them back in if I believed they'd changed, and wouldn't make the same mistakes again. Whether that's the case right now with Akno, Flyers or Naso is debatable. But I'm not going to judge them forever.

Well I know Flyers didn't learn his lesson. In fact, look at some of his recent arguments concerning the matter. He almost says that it was justified because he was gerrymandered into a tough situation. Oh yeah, he's learned his lesson alright.

[Joe Republic]

In which case, Flyers doesn't currently deserve to return.  As for Akno, Naso and GWB, I could be convinced that they've changed, and that they're sorry.