What if McCain had won?

[Enderman]

2012-2016

The Edwards/Bayh administration is trying to undo what Bush, and McCain had done. Tensions gather inside the Republican, and Democratic Parties. The 2014 midterms tie up both Houses of Congress.

[Enderman]

So, after the failed campaign of Palin/Rice, the Republicans throw everything they have at Edwards/Bayh. Here's the candidates

Fmr. VP Candidate Condoleezza Rice,

Sen. Marco Rubio (he won his seat just like in real life)

Fmr. Director of Commerice Mitt Romney

Fmr. Sen. Rick Santorum

Sen. Rand Paul

Gov. Scott Walker

Gov. Susana Martinez

Speaker of the House Paul Ryan (that's why he could have been chosen as VP by Palin)

[old timey villain]

Sorry I took so long guys, but I had other TL's in the works that made this tl be on "hold" for a while. so here's the 2012 Map,

Palin picked Rice for a mainly western approach, she did take for granted states like Indiana, Missouri, Ohio, and Florida; which the latter two had the votes on election day nearly tied. So, the all female ticket picked up smaller EV states, and some more Christian ones, like Oregon, Colorado, and more western states like Nevada, and New Mexico. So Here's the EV map:

Edwards/Bayh
Palin/Rice

update probably tomorrow... In the meantime, questions? Criticizes? Comments?

Sorry man, I don't think this map is accurate at all. I don't think you understand how badly a Sarah Palin ticket would have done in 2012. First of all, the economy is still struggling, as it was in real life, but a McCain administration cannot deflect blame on the previous administration like Obama did. After 12 years of GOP control, people are completely and totally sick of their leadership. Dems are more fired up than ever and Republicans just stay home.

And then you have Palin at the top of the ticket. She's probably a little more prepared in 2012 after 4 years as VP, but she's still the same polarizing and controversial figure she was in 2008, and Rice on the ticket wouldn't change that. Then let's assume Obama gets the nom, so 2012 it more like 2008 with the excitement of the first black presidential nominee. Obama wins at least 400+ electoral votes. Think of the results for 2008 plus Missouri, Montana, Arizona and maybe Georgia. Hell, Texas might not even be safe.

And how is Oregon a more Christian state?

[Enderman]

Sorry I took so long guys, but I had other TL's in the works that made this tl be on "hold" for a while. so here's the 2012 Map,

Palin picked Rice for a mainly western approach, she did take for granted states like Indiana, Missouri, Ohio, and Florida; which the latter two had the votes on election day nearly tied. So, the all female ticket picked up smaller EV states, and some more Christian ones, like Oregon, Colorado, and more western states like Nevada, and New Mexico. So Here's the EV map:

Edwards/Bayh
Palin/Rice

update probably tomorrow... In the meantime, questions? Criticizes? Comments?

Sorry man, I don't think this map is accurate at all. I don't think you understand how badly a Sarah Palin ticket would have done in 2012. First of all, the economy is still struggling, as it was in real life, but a McCain administration cannot deflect blame on the previous administration like Obama did. After 12 years of GOP control, people are completely and totally sick of their leadership. Dems are more fired up than ever and Republicans just stay home.

And then you have Palin at the top of the ticket. She's probably a little more prepared in 2012 after 4 years as VP, but she's still the same polarizing and controversial figure she was in 2008, and Rice on the ticket wouldn't change that. Then let's assume Obama gets the nom, so 2012 it more like 2008 with the excitement of the first black presidential nominee. Obama wins at least 400+ electoral votes. Think of the results for 2008 plus Missouri, Montana, Arizona and maybe Georgia. Hell, Texas might not even be safe.

And how is Oregon a more Christian state?

1. I would think that Obama might be VP. I don't know, you can say if he won't

2. I misplaced Oregon.

3. I'll redo it, but I'm doing an election night on one of my other tl's, so I'll probably redo it tomorrow.

4. Thanks for highlighting these inaccuracies. It really helps my knowledge of the possibilities.

So all in all, thanks.

[old timey villain]

No problem

But you don't have to change your timelines just because somebody says your election results are highly unlikely, you just have to give us some context. I thought your map was unlikely based on the info given, but Palin could have won if, say, there was a strong economic recovery or she was up against a candidate even worse than Edwards! Just keep doing these and you'll get better (and you're still better at these things than I'd be!).

[Enderman]

No problem

But you don't have to change your timelines just because somebody says your election results are highly unlikely, you just have to give us some context. I thought your map was unlikely based on the info given, but Palin could have won if, say, there was a strong economic recovery or she was up against a candidate even worse than Edwards! Just keep doing these and you'll get better (and you're still better at these things than I'd be!).

Thanks for the support. I definitely need to see some of your timelines. Here are some of mine:

1. If George H.W. Bush didn't run in 1988,
2. List of Presidents 1960-2052
3. What if McCain had won? (this one)
4. DuPont's Candidates
5. If Churchill was American
6. Future Stories

They are all on the "Election What-ifs?" Board... You can post what your timelines are if you want...

[Enderman]

Edwards/Obama 332
Palin/Ryan 206


With the Palin/Ryan ticket on the Republican side; the Democrats decided to pick Edwards as their nominee, and he later picked Obama as his VP. With Palin mainly campaigning in the West, Edwards/Obama decide to take advantage of this, and campaign on the East Coast. This maneauver makes the Edwards/Obama ticket win.

2012-2016

The Edwards/Bayh administration is trying to undo what Bush, and McCain had done. Tensions gather inside the Republican, and Democratic Parties due to numerous controversies. The 2014 midterms tie up both Houses of Congress. At the end of the first term, President Edwards finally start to pass some of his own reforms; most of which were tied, Obama broke the tie. Now its 2016, and the Republicans are throwing everything they got at Edwards/Obama.

Questions? Corrections? Comments? If not, I'm ready for 2016 Rep. Primaries...

[Enderman]

sorry I have seemed to abandon this, so here's the primaries:

Sen. Marco Rubio

Speaker of the House Paul Ryan

Governor Scott Walker

Fmr. VP Candidate Condoleezza Rice

Walker jumped out after losing Nevada, which makes it a three way stampede to the nominations in Cincinnati, Ohio. Edwards/Obama retakes the nomination unopposed.

[Enderman]

Rubio takes nomination, he selects Paul Ryan as VP. Anybody wanna predict what would happen?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Depends on what Edwards has been able to achieve. What's the economy like?

[Enderman]

Edwards really hasn't accomplished much, he's most like how Obama was in getting bills through, but the economy was anything but good. I guess it was like now, but two to three times as bad. His approval has settled at around 40%. Oh, he also Bin Laden was captured in 2011 same thing as OTL, but under McCain,

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

How did McCain fare on the economy? Did he make it bad and Edwards just hasn't fixed it or did he make it good and Edwards ruined it?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Rubio wins easily either way, I'm just wondering how big it'll be. Edwards isn't nearly as good as Obama at assembling a coalition and doing all that good stuff, so he wouldn't fare well in a stagnant economy. If he was actively bad then it's a landslide.

[Enderman]

Anything from Reagan's 1980, or Bush's 1988 if it would be a landslide, but I'm looking at a Bush Landslide, but with a few more Dem. States.

[Enderman]

Okay, I decided to skip to the electoral map:

Senator Marco Rubio/Governor Susana Martinez 373
President John Edwards/Vice President Barack Obama 165

So yes NE Speaker Jones,

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He was actively horrible, because of his scandal, and a horrid economy. He got not enough backing by the Dems to win reelection, but enough delegates to win renomination.

The reason they won big in the West was because of the fact that Martinez campaigned a lot there, also in Minnesota, and Michigan.

[Enderman]

2016-2020


President Rubio fairs well in office, with just enough seats in the House to make a Republican lead from 2016-2018, but the Senate is tied throughout his first term in office. The economy is like a steamroller toward its problems. The economy hasn't fared as well since the "Reagan Revolution"! People start to call the first term the "Rubio Revolution". The Democrats come at 2020 with half confidence, half uneasiness. As for the Republicans it is obvious that they choose Rubio as their nominee. The Democrats pick former Vice-President Obama is their nominee, Obama picks Andrew Cuomo as his VP. The Democrats might be able to pull it off.


Questions? Corrections? Comments?