FBI search warrant executed at Mar-a-Lago (Update: Trump Indicted!)

[ProudModerate2]

So on face value if this was true, the FBI just allowed nuclear documents to sit in the Mar a Lago for 18 months..

Or no one noticed they were gone.

Do you ever get tired of working as a Trump spin doctor for free? Garland literally just said today that they had exhausted every other option to get the documents back before finally seeking a warrant.

Ah, so you just let nuclear secrets just remain in a basement of a property.. periodically requesting for someone to return them.

Maybe the FBI agents didn't know that these specific documents were part of what they were looking for, but only stumbled upon them when doing the overall search. But upon seeing them, they had the right to confiscate them from the Orange Buffoon.

[ProudModerate2]

Update, seems legit

https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1558114663866695685

We have a serious matter, and the Orange Buffoon plays bigoted, childish games.
Beautiful.

[ProudModerate2]

Anyone else uncomfortable with his thinly-veiled racism and Islamophobia?

What?

You think Trump using Obama's middle name was for some benign reason?

I guess but I wouldn’t call that bigoted . It’s an irrelevant matter though cause the “other guy did it too “ is a horrific defense

It absolutely is racist/bigoted.
- trump launching his campaign in 2015, and referring to immigrants as "rapists," was racist.
- trump saying that an Indiana-born federal judge could not be impartial because he was “Mexican.” is racist.
- trump demanding that "Hussein" show his birth certificate, questioning Obama's birth place was racist.

The list goes on and on. "Look at my African American over there," sh**thole countries, etc etc.
If you want to stick your head in the sand that trump is not a bigot, that's your problem.

[ProudModerate2]

Trump going with the world-class projection of "Obama stole nuclear documents too!" rather than a simple denial or deflection is a really weird move - and ironically makes the accusation (something I'd have denied as entirely fantastical even 48 hours ago) feel far more plausible.

Something tells me trump himself snuck that official "statement" out for public release, before his advisors/lawyers/family could see it.
It's so stupid, I can not see anyone else endorsing it for release (other than Nutjobs like Giuliani or Sidney Powell).

[ProudModerate2]

https://twitter.com/sgurman/status/1558140291449765888?s=21&t=8CjPqO959CaH2s...

The article is paywalled, but the first paragraph is visible and says:

FBI agents who searched former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home Monday removed 11 sets of classified documents, including some marked as top secret and meant to be only available in special government facilities, according to documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.

Wow. Sounds like some of these documents, could be really heavy stuff that trump should never have taken with him after leaving.
Well, trump signed a new law increasing the penalties for having highly classified documents, so he may need to pay the price he himself wanted in place.

[ProudModerate2]

https://twitter.com/sgurman/status/1558140291449765888?s=21&t=8CjPqO959CaH2s...

The article is paywalled, but the first paragraph is visible and says:

FBI agents who searched former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home Monday removed 11 sets of classified documents, including some marked as top secret and meant to be only available in special government facilities, according to documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.

Another possible scenario that comes to mind ...

Do you think some of the stuff trump wanted to keep, for bragging purposes, were Area 51 and UFO/alien related classified documents/photos ?

[ProudModerate2]

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1558150949537021953

I could care less.
Just as long as they keep it away from DC (Capitol, White House, etc).

[ProudModerate2]

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1558150949537021953

I could care less.
Just as long as they keep it away from DC (Capitol, White House, etc).

They are going to be ransacking Mar-a-Lago looking for FBI agents?

[ProudModerate2]

Semi-related news:

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1558098025335193602

When it rains, it pours.

[ProudModerate2]

https://twitter.com/juliegraceb/status/1558201612694331392

This will of course go nowhere, but it will be interesting to see who signs on to it.

LMAO.
She is such a clown. And many in the GOP love this pathetic excuse of human being.

[ProudModerate2]

https://twitter.com/juliegraceb/status/1558201612694331392
This will of course go nowhere, but it will be interesting to see who signs on to it.

Impeach MTG.

Imagine if by a domino effect members of Congress start impeaching each other in an utterly partisan fashion? IE MTG votes to impeach Garland; someone votes to impeach MTG; till it gets to the point where Pelosi and McConnell try to impeach each other, leading absolutely nothing to be done in Congress.

Most Democrats aren't clown-ish enough to do something like that.

Oh, I think you overestimate the Dems as well. Both parties are clown cars. The coming years are going to see a historic and absurd level of partisan impeachments in both parties.

Wrong.
The impeachments toward trump were legit for things he did.
This classified document incident is all the evidence you need to know, about how incompetent and crooked the Orange Buffoon really is/was.

[ProudModerate2]

https://twitter.com/juliegraceb/status/1558201612694331392
This will of course go nowhere, but it will be interesting to see who signs on to it.

Impeach MTG.

Imagine if by a domino effect members of Congress start impeaching each other in an utterly partisan fashion? IE MTG votes to impeach Garland; someone votes to impeach MTG; till it gets to the point where Pelosi and McConnell try to impeach each other, leading absolutely nothing to be done in Congress.

Most Democrats aren't clown-ish enough to do something like that.

Oh, I think you overestimate the Dems as well. Both parties are clown cars. The coming years are going to see a historic and absurd level of partisan impeachments in both parties.

Wrong.
The impeachments toward trump were legit for things he did.
This classified document incident is all the evidence you need to know, about how incompetent and crooked the Orange Buffoon really is/was.

I’m telling you, that post Trump, impeachment will become just a partisan tool to cripple Presidents and promote further deadlock. Biden will almost certainly be impeached after the midterms. In turn the Dems will impeach whoever the next Republican is. And so on.

Wrong again.
I think there will be a small (or moderate size) group of Pubs in the House that might try (if they take control after Nov), but unless there is something "really there" on Biden, they would be fools to just impeach, just to impeach.

[ProudModerate2]

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1558227491537436672

LOL

Since she said this to a known individual with a severe case of narcissism, then without a doubt, trump will announce he is running in 2024.

[ProudModerate2]

I have a question for the people still going with the "Trump could mentally declassify these documents without telling anyone" schtick – what if Biden declassified these documents mentally without telling anyone? Do you see how stupid these things get if you reduce a type of document classification to a purely philosophical and fundamentally unknowable state of being?

Stop.
That's too much logic for fuzzybear and trump cultists in America.

[ProudModerate2]

It's a bunch of pathetic nonsense that our courts are supposedly throwing the 4th, 5th, and/or 14th amendments "out the window" for US citizens.
It's nothing but garbage from trump cultists trying to protect those idiots that stormed The Capitol, and shield them from proper prosecution (and jailing) for the crimes they committed on that day.

[ProudModerate2]

What happened to Scott Perry should scare everyone IMO!

Imagine you are travelling with your family and a bunch of FBI Agents show up and take your personal cell phone just because you are opposing the current Political Party in Power?

That's not the reason is was confiscated.
But nice fairy tale. What child's story book did you find that one in?

[ProudModerate2]

[ProudModerate2]

Why would he resign since there is zero chance he would be convicted.

To spare Biden an Embarrassment.

Impeachments generally do not help the party in charge of the impeachment though. Republicans impeaching Clinton(or moving towards doing so) increased President Clinton's approvals and Republicans lost seats in a midterm.

Impeaching Trump in 2019 also resulted in Trump's approvals going slightly up so generally impeachment generally does not work.

There has already being Impeachment Articles written against Garland as I type here.

OMG! Really?
God help us all. This is shocking news. How terrible. The world will surely end tomorrow.

[ProudModerate2]

I mean I actually think it would be reckless for DOJ not to consider the political consequences of such a decision. Going after a former president is inherently political no matter what anyone says and that's why it should not happen other than the most serious of circumstances.

I do not agree with your belief that the President should be above the law except under extreme circumstances.

The real world isn’t a high school civics class and the fact is it also would result in many many other members of previous administrations being potentially prosecuted given that technically our foreign policy since 1945 probably has resulted in laws being broken by multiple administrators.

Like I said I don’t think Eisenhower or Nixon should have been prosecuted for Their use of the CIA , LBJ for Gulf of Tonkin lie , Reagan/Bush for Iran Contra , W for Guantanamo Bay , Obama for how he used drones etc .

I for one am hoping for a "real world" that is still subject to the rule of law though.

Like I said Trump having nuclear documents is a different story than if they were other ones .

Well then what's the point you're even arguing? You are in agreement with almost everyone here, except some of the Republicans you like to defend tirelessly.

We atlas conservatives may have disagreements and some time strong ones but we stand by each other when they are being harshly attacked and nobody else is coming to their defense.

That's so bizarre and cultish. You are not an election denier or totally out of touch with reality, but you "defend" Trump fanatics who are (people who don't have much in common with you, and utterly nothing on this issue) all because Republicans = good and Democrats = bad and that outweighs everything else.

When I find myself agreeing more with Republicans than Democrats, I just state my opinion and move on. I don't stick around and take up for people I disagree with just for tribalism. We're all adults here and can take care of ourselves. Likewise, I would expect a Democrat who opposes the FBI action to come here and try to "defend" me either.

Did I say Fuzzy was right on this issue, no I did not. I just pointed out how his views are being misrepresented and not being debated honestly.

How can you have an honest debate with a person that refuses to acknowledge the rightful winner of the 2020 election? If we can't agree on election results, math and counting how do you expect an honest debate?

Just say you agree to disagree and move on to something else.

In order for a debate to be successful and a resolution to be reached, both parties must agree on basic facts like "the sky is blue" and "Biden won the 2020 election."

You can have a discussion with Fuzzy on criminal justice reform without talking about the 2020 election

No you can't. Because when someone tries to have a "discussion with Fuzzy about the 2020 election," he decides to deflect and discuss the "BLM and Antifa riots" (for the 526th time in Atlas).

[ProudModerate2]

This is beyond mental gymnastics, this is going over Niagara Falls in a mental barrel.

He just keeps repeating himself, over and over again, with false claims or items that have already been answered by news reports. It's almost like he is stuck in time from hour-one, of when the FBI first pulled-in to Mar-a-Lago to retrieve the documents.

[ProudModerate2]

Wait, is that real? Because that'd be huge if his passports were taken away!

And mistakenly, or intentionally?
Because if intentionally, then that means they're afraid he could be a flight risk.

[ProudModerate2]

https://twitter.com/NorahODonnell/status/1559312970173259784

This kind of goes without saying but literally anything Trump says should not be taken at face value without independent corrobation.

What on Earth is going on?
Were the passports taken during the raid or not? It can't be yes and no at the same time.
If this is trump just making sh*t-up, then it's so pathetic, and I hope the Orange Clown gets thrown in jail (when this entire thing is over).

[ProudModerate2]

Video: See how DeSantis addressed FBI's Mar-a-Lago search at rally.

Click here to watch ... https://us.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/08/15/gop-arizona-rally-desantis-lake-fbi-mar-a-lago-trump-search-lah-pkg-lead-vpx.cnn

After all that has been disclosed so far, you would think that someone like DeSantis would back-off and know to jump-off the Mar-a-Lago-FBI train, but instead he doubles down on stupidity as the trump-train continues on its way to falling off the cliff.

And OSR thinks DeathSantis is the best thing out there for the GOP? Really?

[ProudModerate2]

https://twitter.com/NorahODonnell/status/1559312970173259784

This kind of goes without saying but literally anything Trump says should not be taken at face value without independent corrobation.

What on Earth is going on?
Were the passports taken during the raid or not? It can't be yes and no at the same time.
If this is trump just making sh*t-up, then it's so pathetic, and I hope the Orange Clown gets thrown in jail (when this entire thing is over).

They were taken and then returned.

Is that what it is?
Because the Norah O'Donnell tweet makes it sound like the FBI did not have possession of the passports at any time (as if they were never taken).

[ProudModerate2]

https://twitter.com/NorahODonnell/status/1559312970173259784

This kind of goes without saying but literally anything Trump says should not be taken at face value without independent corrobation.

What on Earth is going on?
Were the passports taken during the raid or not? It can't be yes and no at the same time.
If this is trump just making sh*t-up, then it's so pathetic, and I hope the Orange Clown gets thrown in jail (when this entire thing is over).

They were taken and then returned.

Is that what it is?
Because the Norah O'Donnell tweet makes it sound like the FBI did not have possession of the passports at any time (as if they were never taken).

Jay Bratt email to Trump team said that they’d taken and returned them.

But is it a true, authentic email?
And it does not say they returned them, but that they are available for pickup.