HuffPo: UNC Students Topple Confederate Monument

[ProudModerate2]

Timber!

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(whataboutism deleted)

Neither the campus nor the local government want the monument to slavery there, but NC’s autocratic government has banned local governments from removing statues. When you shut down democracy, you get extralegal violence.

What are you famed tough guys going to do?

Once again, you apparently can't wait to break out the doc martins and put those red laces back on to "fight back" against the army of antifa you see waiting for you around every corner.

That doesn't answer the question. It's not particularly original at this point either.

The answer was already given to you above, by Brittain33.
Open your eyes. It's re-posted here ...

Spoilers: take down monuments to slavery by force.

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Tear down and burn all the traitorous monuments.

Put them in museums.  Hell, make a museum of the Confederacy and put them there.
Our nation's history is full of dark times and warts.  Display them in an appropriate setting.  Leave the public statues for more positive or inspiring things.

Agree.
But if government refuses to adhere to the wishes of the local people in the area, then tear/topple them down, and if they are damaged? Oh well.
They should have taken them down earlier, when they had the chance.

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Agree.
But if government refuses to adhere to the wishes of the local people in the area, then tear/topple them down, and if they are damaged? Oh well.
They should have taken them down earlier, when they had the chance.

The statue was there before the UNC students were there. Perhaps they should have picked a different university if they disliked the statue so much.

That's ignorant.
Who cares when it was originally placed there; it has no basis to anything.

Let's extend your "brilliant theory" and say that the statue was already there, so you shouldn't go to any school in NC, or you shouldn't live anywhere in NC (if you don't agree with the statue).
Or for that matter, the statue was already in the USA (nation), so go to school or go live in Canada if you don't like the traitorous statues.

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Also don't want to hear anybody supporting this about Republicans or right-wingers or Trump supposedly breaking the law. And the right is better at this game.

Nice try. This happened because a bunch of UNC students are totalitarians that hate democracy.

ftfy

Whatever happened to Republicans caring about an overarching and overly powerful government interfering in the decisions of local communities? Oh right, that's only when it's something they don't like and they have zero principles.

Um it wasnt  the University or the City itself who made the decision to take the statue down.

You are missing the point, OSR.
The point being made is that local government (and the local people) are refused the right to remove the statues by the State.
So of course the "University or the City" had no decision ... because the State took that right away from them, in the first place.

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Agree.
But if government refuses to adhere to the wishes of the local people in the area, then tear/topple them down, and if they are damaged? Oh well.
They should have taken them down earlier, when they had the chance.

The statue was there before the UNC students were there. Perhaps they should have picked a different university if they disliked the statue so much.

That's ignorant.
Who cares when it was originally placed there; it has no basis to anything.

Let's extend your "brilliant theory" and say that the statue was already there, so you shouldn't go to any school in NC, or you shouldn't live anywhere in NC (if you don't agree with the statue).
Or for that matter, the statue was already in the USA (nation), so go to school or go live in Canada if you don't like the traitorous statues.

Sounds good to me!

Of course it sounds good to you.
That's why I started my post with "That's ignorant."

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All involved should be criminally charged with vandalism if the school will not discipline.

It's not vandalism if they are cleaning up trash.

They are the trash of this country.

This. I hope UNC will punish them (won't hold my breath though, academia is lost...) and I hope footage of this disturbing event can be used to help the GOP win elections -- in NC as well as elsewhere. Fits perfectly in the "left gone wild" narrative that needs to be promoted everywhere.

Yes, there are millions of untapped “resentful Confederate” votes out there Trump hasn’t turned out already. This will wake them up.

If it helps him win a second time, that would be great.

DavidB supports those who scream-out "Jews will not replace us," as long as they vote for trump a second time. "That would be great???"
And then he wonders why various people in Atlas notice and question how his words are in direct contradiction to his heritage/faith.
Whatever.

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... "Silent Sam" is not a slaveholder, he's a reminder of the gallantry and honor graduates of UNC displayed in battle during the Civil War.

Yes, and that is why ...

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Remember this horrific act of vandalism?

How dare the people of that nation/community, tear down that statue!
"The statue itself wasn't harming anyone."
The vandals that did this "need to seek help from a mental health professional."
"Just because they didn't like it doesn't mean they had a right to do it."

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Of course conservatives would be outraged by the vigilante tearing down of a statue that no one on the school wants.

You speak for all of the students at UNC?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/21/us/unc-silent-sam-monument-toppled.html

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I mean, the faculty went all pearl clutchy after the toppling happened, but even they weren't exactly thrilled about the statue itself.

Ok. You've provided one quote from one participant. You're not very good at this.

Read the rest of the article.(and if you're out of articles you can just use incognito)

You keep referring to the opinions of people who were involved.

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And generally, its pretty clear that silent sam was quite unpopular.

A statue is unpopular with the people who physically tore it down. You keep making that point repeatedly. I'm talking about the students who were not physically present and asleep in their dorms - and thus not interviewed. Did you take them into account? Or are you just talking big again?

I saw a news clip where a number of students were being quickly interviewed for their opinion, the day after if went down.
And they were all OK with it coming down and happy that it did (and they did not take part in the actual event).

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The legislature should rebuild it and post a 24-hour armed guard.  The law is the law.

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The legislature should rebuild it and post a 24-hour armed guard.  The law is the law.

Of course, the irony is is that the police had been watching it 24-7 for several years...

If you watch the video of them taking it down, I think you see either local city police or university police (or both) in the video. They did not interfere with the students, and it almost looked like they were also glad the stupid thing was destroyed.

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You cannot compare the soldiers of the Confederacy, to soldiers of the Vietnam War or WWII.
Soldiers of Vietnam or WWII represented the United States of America.
Soldiers of the Confederate States of America were rebels and traitors to our nation. They represented a thuggish State that wanted to continue the inhumane and Deplorable practice of enslaving other human beings.

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You cannot compare the soldiers of the Confederacy, to soldiers of the Vietnam War or WWII.
Soldiers of Vietnam or WWII represented the United States of America.
Soldiers of the Confederate States of America were rebels and traitors to our nation. They represented a thuggish State that wanted to continue the inhumane and Deplorable practice of enslaving other human beings.

Per US Code, Confederate veterans are US Veterans.
Sorry buddy, better luck next time.

Did I say anything about "code" or "US Veterans?"
No, I did not.
I said that they did not represent The United States of America.
So, sorry, but try a little harder next time.

[ProudModerate2]

You cannot compare the soldiers of the Confederacy, to soldiers of the Vietnam War or WWII.
Soldiers of Vietnam or WWII represented the United States of America.
Soldiers of the Confederate States of America were rebels and traitors to our nation. They represented a thuggish State that wanted to continue the inhumane and Deplorable practice of enslaving other human beings.

Per US Code, Confederate veterans are US Veterans.
Sorry buddy, better luck next time.

Did I say anything about "code" or "US Veterans?"
No, I did not.
I said that they did not represent The United States of America.
So, sorry, but try a little harder next time.

US Code is all that matters in this context. Your precious feelings (or the feelings of anyone else, for that matter) on whether or not they should be compared to veterans of any other war are irrelevant. They're US Veterans, just like those who fought in every other war we have been involved in.

My apologies to Ms KnowItAll, WhatISayMattersMore, Ex-Atlas-president.
I bow to your greatness that you know "what matters in this context."

And just in case you haven't noticed ... your puffed up, big-head is on display once again. Your true pompous, arrogant attitude, is out there for everyone to see.
Some things never change.

[ProudModerate2]

You cannot compare the soldiers of the Confederacy, to soldiers of the Vietnam War or WWII.
Soldiers of Vietnam or WWII represented the United States of America.
Soldiers of the Confederate States of America were rebels and traitors to our nation. They represented a thuggish State that wanted to continue the inhumane and Deplorable practice of enslaving other human beings.

Per US Code, Confederate veterans are US Veterans.
Sorry buddy, better luck next time.

Did I say anything about "code" or "US Veterans?"
No, I did not.
I said that they did not represent The United States of America.
So, sorry, but try a little harder next time.

US Code is all that matters in this context. Your precious feelings (or the feelings of anyone else, for that matter) on whether or not they should be compared to veterans of any other war are irrelevant. They're US Veterans, just like those who fought in every other war we have been involved in.

My apologies to Ms KnowItAll, WhatISayMattersMore, Ex-Atlas-president.
I bow to your greatness that you know "what matters in this context."

And just in case you haven't noticed ... your puffed up, big-head is on display once again. Your true pompous, arrogant attitude, is out there for everyone to see.
Some things never change.

I suggest looking in the mirror before saying that next time.
All I did was point out why you were wrong. If you can't handle that, I suggest taking some time off for a breather, maybe go get laid or something. 

LOL.
"All I did was point out why you were wrong."
Still more self-centered, stuck-up attitude (and conclusions), and fhtagn doesn't see it (which is a common theme for individuals who believe they are high-and-mighty).
Come to your senses. I think it's time for you to get out your plastic "Mr Dependable" and turn it up to high speed.

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You cannot compare the soldiers of the Confederacy, to soldiers of the Vietnam War or WWII.
Soldiers of Vietnam or WWII represented the United States of America.
Soldiers of the Confederate States of America were rebels and traitors to our nation. They represented a thuggish State that wanted to continue the inhumane and Deplorable practice of enslaving other human beings.

Per US Code, Confederate veterans are US Veterans.
Sorry buddy, better luck next time.

Did I say anything about "code" or "US Veterans?"
No, I did not.
I said that they did not represent The United States of America.
So, sorry, but try a little harder next time.

US Code is all that matters in this context. Your precious feelings (or the feelings of anyone else, for that matter) on whether or not they should be compared to veterans of any other war are irrelevant. They're US Veterans, just like those who fought in every other war we have been involved in.

My apologies to Ms KnowItAll, WhatISayMattersMore, Ex-Atlas-president.
I bow to your greatness that you know "what matters in this context."

And just in case you haven't noticed ... your puffed up, big-head is on display once again. Your true pompous, arrogant attitude, is out there for everyone to see.
Some things never change.

I suggest looking in the mirror before saying that next time.
All I did was point out why you were wrong. If you can't handle that, I suggest taking some time off for a breather, maybe go get laid or something. 

LOL.
"All I did was point out why you were wrong."
Still more self-centered, stuck-up attitude (and conclusions), and fhtagn doesn't see it (which is a common theme for individuals who believe they are high-and-mighty).
Come to your senses. I think it's time for you to get out your plastic "Mr Dependable" and turn it up to high speed.

I suggest doing yourself a favor and stop posting until you have something even remotely intelligent and valuable to add to the conversation.  I know that's hard for you to do, but it's painfully obvious you aren't even trying.

Sorry that pointing-out who you truly are, hurts you.