HuffPo: UNC Students Topple Confederate Monument

[Dr. Arch]

"Frustrated by the inaction of university leaders and what they described as their school’s “institutional white supremacy,” students at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill stormed a controversial Confederate statue on Monday night — and toppled it with their own hands."

"The university has long rejected calls to remove or relocate Silent Sam, citing state law as a barrier to action."

https://twitter.com/WRAL/status/1031715264797310976




Link: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/silent-sam-unc-confederate-statue_us_5b7b86a2e4b0a5b1febe4bc3

[junior chįmp]

Sounds like a bunch of virtue signalling leftists got together and looked for something to rage against.

[CookieDamage]

Melt it down and turn it into post modernist furniture. Make sure to have his face positioned where you sit down.

[ProudModerate2]

Timber!

[Strudelcutie4427]

So it’s cool for Seattle to have a statue of a butcher like Vladimir Lenin but not for a former confederate state to have a statue commemorating the war?

[Strudelcutie4427]

So it’s cool for Seattle to have a statue of a butcher like Vladimir Lenin but not for a former confederate state to have a statue commemorating the war?

To lenin’s credit, he never declared war on America. The same cannot be said of the Conferate baboons whose descendants like to fancy themselves as the REAL MURICAN PATRIOTS as they unironically fly the Confederate flag from the back of their rusted out Fords.

Lenin also killed 2,000,000+ people, caused a war that killed millions, and founded an ideology responsible for the deaths of over 100,000,000+ world wide since 1918

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

So it’s cool for Seattle to have a statue of a butcher like Vladimir Lenin but not for a former confederate state to have a statue commemorating the war?

The Lenin statue is not there explicitly for his praise.

[Brittain33]

(whataboutism deleted)

Neither the campus nor the local government want the monument to slavery there, but NC’s autocratic government has banned local governments from removing statues. When you shut down democracy, you get extralegal violence.

[Crumpets]

(The biggest difference being that this statue was genuinely destroyed by locals and not in part by foreign troops)

[Fuzzy Bear]

The mob that tore down this statue were lawless punks, who accomplished nothing for any sort of good cause, and were fortunate that no one was injured by their actions.  Toppling that statue could have killed, or permanently injured, a person who was either (A) innocent, or (B) a well-intentioned lawbreaker foolish enough to be part of this illegal event.

"Silent Sam" was one of the least offensive Confederate monuments; it was a statue of a fictional figure designed to honor Confederate veterans who attended UNC.  It wasn't honoring a "slaveowner", and the sentiment behind this particular statue was far more defensible than honoring some "slaveowner".  To call the men who were not part of the Fire Eater politicians that drove secession, but served in the Confederate military (which, in their point of view, was "their" country) is a degree of honor that I view these men as worthy of as those who fought for the Union.

The Lost Cause was wrong.  On the other hand, we can argue that, to a lesser degree, our cause in Vietnam was wrong, or our cause in Iraq; do we not honor our troops that answered their Country's call?  And these young men who served in the Confederate military were, in a real way, in a no-win situation; their politicians put them in a position where their choice was to be a traitor to either USA or CSA; a classic dilemma that caused young men to have no good choices.  

I recognize the spirit in which many of these CSA monuments were erected, and I don't approve of that.  But this was a mob, breaking laws for no good reason, and endangering bystanders with no valid defense for their actions.  If they're all expelled from the University, I'm fine with that.

[Fuzzy Bear]

(The biggest difference being that this statue was genuinely destroyed by locals and not in part by foreign troops)

That's fine, but we live in a country where the rule of law prevails, where courts are open and in session, and where mobs are not supposed to rule.

These examples are not morally equivilent to Tar Heels Gone Wild, which was two steps down from a Toga Party at Faber College.

[Brittain33]

That's fine, but we live in a country where the rule of law prevails, where courts are open and in session, and where mobs are not supposed to rule.

You may have missed that this took place in North Carolina, a rather special state for "rule of law" and "courts prevailing" in the U.S. these days. The state politburo has expressly closed off all legal avenues for local communities to remove statues commemorating slaveholding and rebellion.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

That's fine, but we live in a country where the rule of law prevails, where courts are open and in session, and where mobs are not supposed to rule.

You may have missed that this took place in North Carolina, a rather special state for "rule of law" and "courts prevailing" in the U.S. these days. The state politburo has expressly closed off all legal avenues for local communities to remove statues commemorating slaveholding and rebellion.

This is the part that Republicans really don't seem to get. They want to end the rule of law when inconvenient or when they feel like it, but then they want to turn around and use the law as a shield from facing the consequences of their actions. It's never going to work that way.



The Republicans probably see that as a threat these days, but what it really is is a prediction. It's describing on inevitable consequence of a course of action.

[KingSweden]

So it’s cool for Seattle to have a statue of a butcher like Vladimir Lenin but not for a former confederate state to have a statue commemorating the war?

The Lenin statue is not there explicitly for his praise.

Yeah people don’t hang out there on May Day to sing about how amazing Bolsheviks are, exactly.

That said I would be supportive of the Lenin statue’s removal

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

That's fine, but we live in a country where the rule of law prevails, where courts are open and in session, and where mobs are not supposed to rule.

You may have missed that this took place in North Carolina, a rather special state for "rule of law" and "courts prevailing" in the U.S. these days. The state politburo has expressly closed off all legal avenues for local communities to remove statues commemorating slaveholding and rebellion.

What moron put a comma there?

[PragmaticPopulist]

These people aren't helping their cause by just lawlessly tearing down the statue. If they had a real problem with it, they should have petitioned the local government or whoever owned that statue to remove it.

[Brittain33]

These people aren't helping their cause by just lawlessly tearing down the statue. If they had a real problem with it, they should have petitioned the local government or whoever owned that statue to remove it.

Last year, the NC state government made it illegal for local governments to remove statues.

[The Dowager Mod]

https://twitter.com/KatzOnEarth/status/1031727542296817664

[dead0man]

Why would you want to go to a university that has “institutional white supremacy,”?  I'm assuming only Freshmen think this way?  Because if you're a Senior and feel this way, YOU"RE AN ASSHOLE!

[All Along The Watchtower]

Good.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

All involved should be criminally charged with vandalism if the school will not discipline.

[Gass3268]

All involved should be criminally charged with vandalism if the school will not discipline.

It's not vandalism if they are cleaning up trash.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

All involved should be criminally charged with vandalism if the school will not discipline.

It's not vandalism if they are cleaning up trash.

They are the trash of this country.

[Beet]

Sounds like a bunch of virtue signalling leftists got together and looked for something to rage against.

[Pyro]

Best news in a while.