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H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY
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« on: October 07, 2023, 01:58:56 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2023, 03:54:50 PM »

A ceasefire and multilateral disengagement between Palestine and Israel occupying territory of both as decided by the 1967 agreement is in order. No one benefited from the occupation in the West Bank by Settlers and Palestinian occupation of South Israel is no just way to this. It’s time to recognize and enforce the actual borders and get back to talks of peace.

Thank you, PSOL, for your wise and levelheaded take on a deeply controversial geopolitical issue. I mean it.
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2023, 04:08:05 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2023, 02:25:58 PM »

Orientalist nonsense once more

Hetero Men care more for women than other men they view as competitors, this is pretty consistent among patriarchal society. Hamas captors are just bargaining chips.

You know how many people, especially straights, go on Grindr just go for young twinks. You know how many go for crossdressers. Look at your own culture.

If you are into twinks you are not straight.

Incisive analysis of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2023, 12:23:10 PM »


The deliberate killing of children and infants is horrible in any context, of course.

If you ever find yourself in a situation where you are compelled to say this explicitly, it might be a good time to reevaluate some things.
"Why aren't you condemning Hamas's war crimes?"
"I condemn Hamas's war crimes."
"Why did you feel the need to condemn Hamas's war crimes?"



"Why aren't you condemning Hamas's war crimes?"

”There’s no evidence war crimes were committed. ‘They’ have been known to lie about crimes committed against them before.”

One day later

”See, the sources are walking it back. ‘They’ clearly made it all up!”

One day later

”Even the President of the United States is lying about seeing photos of the victims. It’s a massive conspiracy, obviously.”

Photos of the victims are made public

”I condemn [generic description of war crimes]…
How dare you question my condemnation of [generic description of war crimes]?"

Yes, that's called healthy skepticism that can be moved one way or another in light of hard evidence (and yes, the claims were walked back by both the IDF and the White House at different times). It's now clear that a Hamas attack on Kfar Aza deliberately murdered children and infants, despite the details previously being fuzzy.  

Every single one of you would have bought WMDs in Iraq hook, line, and sinker. Some of you would have been among the Good Liberals who called for glassing the entire Middle East, I'm sure.

Why don’t you ask people what they actually thought or did during the leadup to the Iraq War? Many people on here were alive during that time.
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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2023, 01:14:51 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2024, 11:04:03 PM »

This is such a bad faith arguement. Going by your philosophy, there's no such thing as a "Taiwan" and the PRC should have free reign to take over. No oppressed people are allowed to form their own government because welp....shoulda had a country already! Regardless, even if we buy that Israel isn't occupying the West Bank, they are denying basic civil/political rights of the Palestinian Arabs who live there. One ethnic group is prioritized over the other and again, for some reason, most on here seem to be fine with that.

"Palestine" is not the West Bank. The extent of the geographic region of Palestine also covers all of Israel, and in fact Palestinians who are Israeli citizens (of whom there are millions) have full civil rights in Israel. I do agree there should be an easier pathway for Palestinians living in the West Bank to gain Israeli citizenship in the event of Israel deciding to retain long-term control of the region, though.

Oh, well, as long as there’s an “easier” pathway. If Israel is going to control the West Bank, why not just make the people who live there citizens? If Israel doesn’t want to accept them as citizens, why should it be allowed to control the WB?
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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2024, 06:24:07 AM »

Oh, well, as long as there’s an “easier” pathway. If Israel is going to control the West Bank, why not just make the people who live there citizens? If Israel doesn’t want to accept them as citizens, why should it be allowed to control the WB?

Well, legally the West Bank is still under military control rather than incorporated into Israel. Probably thanks to international pressure stopping them from proceeding with direct incorporation for now, but it really needs to happen rather than leaving the West Bank in a state of perpetual territorial ambiguity which it has been in for a long time.

Well, yes, but a military occupation where the occupier allows its citizens to live and establish communities there is more akin to a European-style colonialist project than anything else (somewhat darkly in keeping with the original Zionist aspiration for a Jewish nation-state Just Like The Rest Of Europe Has Got).
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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2024, 09:35:55 AM »

Israeli ministers keep saying the quiet part out loud again:





This guy is basically Israel’s version of Marjorie Taylor Greene. Don’t take it seriously.

These aren't just some far-right lunatics.

Itamar Ben-Gvir is Israel's Ministry of National Security

Bezalel Smotrich is Israel's Ministry of Finance

It’s different in a parliamentary system where the cabinet doesn’t require senate confirmation and different parties who don’t like each other still join a coalition.

Has Netanyahu come out to affirm the rights of the Palestinians and reprimanded his ministers?

People will act like some college students represent Palestine but Israeli cabinet ministers don’t represent Israel.
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« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2024, 03:29:17 AM »

If Russia had struck a convoy of aid workers who’d been trying to coordinate with the Russian government in Kherson, people would be calling for the US to send troops.
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