Anti-Semitism in UK Labour megathread

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If Bernie Sanders wasn't a Jew who lived in Israel, they'd probably be calling him an anti-semite too. This is getting old.

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This sort of herd mentality from the media is how we got the Iraq war.

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Anti-semitism is going to be mainly from the right and some SJWs who hate all whites. What the left has more of than the right is criticism of Israel. Actual anti-semitism shouldn't be tolerated, but people need to stop conflating criticism of Israel and anti-semitism. If Meretz was in power, I think you'd see a lot less criticism of Israel.

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Anti-semitism is going to be mainly from the right and some SJWs who hate all whites. What the left has more of than the right is criticism of Israel. Actual anti-semitism shouldn't be tolerated, but people need to stop conflating criticism of Israel and anti-semitism. If Mertez was in power, I think you'd see a lot less criticism of Israel.

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Denial isn't just a river in Egypt...

No one is denying that there have been some issues of anti-semitism in the Labour party, but this has been blown way out of proportion.

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Anti-semitism is going to be mainly from the right and some SJWs who hate all whites. What the left has more of than the right is criticism of Israel. Actual anti-semitism shouldn't be tolerated, but people need to stop conflating criticism of Israel and anti-semitism. If Mertez was in power, I think you'd see a lot less criticism of Israel.

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Denial isn't just a river in Egypt...

No one is denying that there have been some issues of anti-semitism in the Labour party, but this has been blown way out of proportion.

I don't recall Ms. May hanging out with Jewhaters or spouting anti-Semitism. Seems like a relevant story about a major party leader.

Are we talking about things like where Corbyn apologized for going to an event where a Holocaust survivor compared Israel to Nazi Germany? Is the Holocaust survivor an anti-semite too?

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Anti-semitism is going to be mainly from the right and some SJWs who hate all whites. What the left has more of than the right is criticism of Israel. Actual anti-semitism shouldn't be tolerated, but people need to stop conflating criticism of Israel and anti-semitism. If Mertez was in power, I think you'd see a lot less criticism of Israel.

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Denial isn't just a river in Egypt...

No one is denying that there have been some issues of anti-semitism in the Labour party, but this has been blown way out of proportion.

Research has actually been done on this issue showing numerically speaking just as many who hold strongly anti-Semitic (not simply anti-Israel) views are on the far left as on the far right.

http://archive.jpr.org.uk/object-uk450

To claim there is barely any issue on the hard left with anti-Semitism is either delusional or deceitful.

The obsession amongst the hard left about this particular middle-eastern sh**thole half the world away (as opposed to every other oppressive sh**thole) is a bit of a giveaway there's more to it than just having an issue with Israel's governance.  That's not to say there can't be legitimate criticism, but that's not what the hard Left's obsession is about which is more of the Jewish conspiracy variety.

When the Iraq War was going on many of these Jew-hating cranks left Labour for the Lib Dems and Greens, now they're back.

Oh yes, if you oppose the Iraq war you must be a Jew hating crank. And while the UK might not give so much to Israel, the US Senate just passed a bill to send $38 billion in military aid. I think that makes them entitled to more criticism from the US.

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Anti-semitism is going to be mainly from the right and some SJWs who hate all whites. What the left has more of than the right is criticism of Israel. Actual anti-semitism shouldn't be tolerated, but people need to stop conflating criticism of Israel and anti-semitism. If Mertez was in power, I think you'd see a lot less criticism of Israel.

Jesus Christ

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt...

No one is denying that there have been some issues of anti-semitism in the Labour party, but this has been blown way out of proportion.

Research has actually been done on this issue showing numerically speaking just as many who hold strongly anti-Semitic (not simply anti-Israel) views are on the far left as on the far right.

http://archive.jpr.org.uk/object-uk450

To claim there is barely any issue on the hard left with anti-Semitism is either delusional or deceitful.

The obsession amongst the hard left about this particular middle-eastern sh**thole half the world away (as opposed to every other oppressive sh**thole) is a bit of a giveaway there's more to it than just having an issue with Israel's governance.  That's not to say there can't be legitimate criticism, but that's not what the hard Left's obsession is about which is more of the Jewish conspiracy variety.

When the Iraq War was going on many of these Jew-hating cranks left Labour for the Lib Dems and Greens, now they're back.

Oh yes, if you oppose the Iraq war you must be a Jew hating crank. And while the UK might not give so much to Israel, the US Senate just passed a bill to send $38 billion in military aid. I think that makes them entitled to more criticism from the US.

I don't believe I said if you oppose the Iraq war you must be a Jew hating crank (I think it says more about you that you construed it that way...), I said the Iraq war was a trigger for hard left Jew hating cranks (amongst many others) to leave Labour.  The point being the hard left Jew-hatred is deeper than the Israel issue.

We aren't talking about the US, we are talking about UK Labour.

Palestinians are the largest stateless group in the world, so it's no wonder that someone like Corbyn cares about them. He's also called many times for the second largest stateless group to be treated better, the Rohingyas in Myanmar.

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While these poll results aren't that great for the Labour party, they did better than the Conservatives.

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Right-wing crazies decided that Abram Leon is an anti-semite.

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https://www.standuptoracism.org.uk/press-release-far-right-thugs-attack-tuc-backed-socialist-bookshop/

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So, #HodgeComparisons on Twitter... I'm glad I left the Labour Party.

Both main parties been polling over 80% of the vote since last election and i believe it will remain this way, it's a 2 horse race "Labour vs Conservatives",
If we don't vote Labour, the tories will win the next general election...

As much i dislike Corbyn, I don't he's fit to be prime minister, the way he's handling the anti Semitism row is deeply depressing and sad :/

But I dislike the tories more and what they're doing with the NHS, Universal Credit, Windrush, Fracking, Transportation and railway chaos, Brexit chaos, etc...
We must not lose sight, the tories don't deserve to win the next general election...

Well, it's ok to have priorities. For me, the antisemitism is the most important issue, and I'd support the Tories to stop Corbyn.

This is one of the most disgusting smear campaigns of all time. It may destroy Corbyn but eventually people just aren't going to care anymore. Seems people forget the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

If you've been paying attention at all, this is the story of "there are about a thousand wolves here we should panick". Because the examples for antisemitism in Labour and its leader are so numerous that it's pretty hard to follow at this point. Just read anything on this thread, it's so damning that calling it "A WITCH HUNT" is either blinding yourself because you don't want to see the truth about people of your ideology, or outright supporting the disgusting way Labour has been recently treating this issue. Either way, yet another proof that the Jews can never be calm when completely at the mercy of the other people. We just make the perfect boogeymen.

No, this is just people who don't like Corbyn crying wolf over and over again.

http://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/news/item/statement-on-labours-problem-with-antisemitism-from-the-jewish-socialists-g

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So, #HodgeComparisons on Twitter... I'm glad I left the Labour Party.

Both main parties been polling over 80% of the vote since last election and i believe it will remain this way, it's a 2 horse race "Labour vs Conservatives",
If we don't vote Labour, the tories will win the next general election...

As much i dislike Corbyn, I don't he's fit to be prime minister, the way he's handling the anti Semitism row is deeply depressing and sad :/

But I dislike the tories more and what they're doing with the NHS, Universal Credit, Windrush, Fracking, Transportation and railway chaos, Brexit chaos, etc...
We must not lose sight, the tories don't deserve to win the next general election...

Well, it's ok to have priorities. For me, the antisemitism is the most important issue, and I'd support the Tories to stop Corbyn.

This is one of the most disgusting smear campaigns of all time. It may destroy Corbyn but eventually people just aren't going to care anymore. Seems people forget the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

If you've been paying attention at all, this is the story of "there are about a thousand wolves here we should panick". Because the examples for antisemitism in Labour and its leader are so numerous that it's pretty hard to follow at this point. Just read anything on this thread, it's so damning that calling it "A WITCH HUNT" is either blinding yourself because you don't want to see the truth about people of your ideology, or outright supporting the disgusting way Labour has been recently treating this issue. Either way, yet another proof that the Jews can never be calm when completely at the mercy of the other people. We just make the perfect boogeymen.

No, this is just people who don't like Corbyn crying wolf over and over again.

http://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/news/item/statement-on-labours-problem-with-antisemitism-from-the-jewish-socialists-g

You can say that as much as you want, but no one provided any rebuttal of substance to the dozens of reports in this thread. Each of these things, like the wreath-laying, the refusal to accept the recognized term for antisemitism, the praise for Jew-murdering terorrorists etc etc might not be enough alone to prove antisemitism alone, but all together, with the fact that Corbyn refused to apologize for all of them and with the hostility many Labour activists and even members displayed for Jews? This is just such an overwhelming, piling amount of evidence that ignoring it is blind. And no, showing Jews defending Labour holds as much water as far-right African American groups, leftists should know better than to use fig leaves to ignore accusations of racism because this is one of the most frequent strategies racists use. Jews can be as willfully blind as every other person for the sake of their ideology, so I'm not surprised that "Jewish Socialists" would defend Corbyn.

This addresses the term of antisemitism.
https://forward.com/opinion/407456/why-corbyn-s-definition-of-anti-semitism-is-actually-what-jews-need/

Where did he praise Jew murdering terrorists?

The media has always been against Corbyn, so you really shouldn't go by how over the top the coverage is. Claiming that Corbyn is anti-semtitic just makes you look like a bandwagoner here.

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So, #HodgeComparisons on Twitter... I'm glad I left the Labour Party.

Both main parties been polling over 80% of the vote since last election and i believe it will remain this way, it's a 2 horse race "Labour vs Conservatives",
If we don't vote Labour, the tories will win the next general election...

As much i dislike Corbyn, I don't he's fit to be prime minister, the way he's handling the anti Semitism row is deeply depressing and sad :/

But I dislike the tories more and what they're doing with the NHS, Universal Credit, Windrush, Fracking, Transportation and railway chaos, Brexit chaos, etc...
We must not lose sight, the tories don't deserve to win the next general election...

Well, it's ok to have priorities. For me, the antisemitism is the most important issue, and I'd support the Tories to stop Corbyn.

This is one of the most disgusting smear campaigns of all time. It may destroy Corbyn but eventually people just aren't going to care anymore. Seems people forget the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

If you've been paying attention at all, this is the story of "there are about a thousand wolves here we should panick". Because the examples for antisemitism in Labour and its leader are so numerous that it's pretty hard to follow at this point. Just read anything on this thread, it's so damning that calling it "A WITCH HUNT" is either blinding yourself because you don't want to see the truth about people of your ideology, or outright supporting the disgusting way Labour has been recently treating this issue. Either way, yet another proof that the Jews can never be calm when completely at the mercy of the other people. We just make the perfect boogeymen.

No, this is just people who don't like Corbyn crying wolf over and over again.

http://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/news/item/statement-on-labours-problem-with-antisemitism-from-the-jewish-socialists-g

You can say that as much as you want, but no one provided any rebuttal of substance to the dozens of reports in this thread. Each of these things, like the wreath-laying, the refusal to accept the recognized term for antisemitism, the praise for Jew-murdering terorrorists etc etc might not be enough alone to prove antisemitism alone, but all together, with the fact that Corbyn refused to apologize for all of them and with the hostility many Labour activists and even members displayed for Jews? This is just such an overwhelming, piling amount of evidence that ignoring it is blind. And no, showing Jews defending Labour holds as much water as far-right African American groups, leftists should know better than to use fig leaves to ignore accusations of racism because this is one of the most frequent strategies racists use. Jews can be as willfully blind as every other person for the sake of their ideology, so I'm not surprised that "Jewish Socialists" would defend Corbyn.

This addresses the term of antisemitism.
https://forward.com/opinion/407456/why-corbyn-s-definition-of-anti-semitism-is-actually-what-jews-need/

Where did he praise Jew murdering terrorists?

The media has always been against Corbyn, so you really shouldn't go by how over the top the coverage is. Claiming that Corbyn is anti-semtitic just makes you look like a bandwagoner here.

He called Hamas and Hezbollah 'friends' and later regretted "using that phrase". Also this:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3674146/jeremy-corbyn-faces-fury-after-calling-banned-palestinian-terror-group-hamas-serious-and-hardworking/

Honestly, his comments are so numerous that ignoring it is hilarious. And that's without mentioning the rest of Labour. And c'mon, the moment you start blaming the media for everything you should know you're wrong. Will you start calling them "the fake news media" soon? What about "enemies of the people"? Sure, the media isn't nearly perfect but the evidence here is overwhelming, and they're also not pro-Israel at all. In fact, the media constantly peddles anti-Israeli lies and frames stories in an outrageous way, for example, writing that "a Palestinian was killed" in the headline when covering a terror attack by said Palestinian.

Well, obviously that was a mistake to call them friends. Perhaps Israel shouldn't have helped create Hamas.
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

And what do you mean by the rest of Labour? Like every random tweet ever made? Because that's a meaningless distraction.

The idea that the media is always right is absurd. The media reported on Iraqi WMD. The media reported on chair throwing Bernie supporters. The media reports on lots of things that aren't real. I don't know about the UK media, but the US media definitely favors Israel. But in any case, the issue here is that people are conflating criticism of the current Israeli government and how they are treating Palestinians with anti-semitism. Those are 2 different things.

Now don't get me wrong, I have seen some anti-semitism regarding Israel, where people say that Jewish politicians serve Israel first. But any criticism of the government, supporting the Palestinian rights, and opposing how our government enables an apartheid situation there is definitely not anti-semitism.

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He really shouldn't have made a comment like that, and probably should stop using the word zionist, but he was only talking about those who had protested a Palestinian speaker.

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So, the Zionist position is support Israel or we'll smear you into oblivion? I suppose Noam Chomsky is also an anti-Semite?

There is a difference between "Not support Israel" and "Wish for it to cease to exist as a Jewish state".

True, I presume that Corbyn supports Israel's right to exist with its pre-1967 borders. His disagreements with Israel are about Gaza and the West Bank.

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It's beyond obvious that the right-wing British mainstream media, in cahoots with the Israeli lobby, are constantly manufacturing and spinning little "scandals" to take Corbyn down. It's a no-win situation; no matter how much he does, there will always be more demanded of him.

Which is of course why the Guardian, Gordon Brown, and Major trade unions like UNISON and GMB have all came out against antisemitism, and said that Labour needs to both reform it's internal practices, and that the leadership needs to take a much stronger stance.

Besides; these scandals aren't manufactured. They come from the stupid, insulting and frankly stupid comments that Corbyn has made (defending an antisemitic mural, saying 'Zionists' lack an 'english sense of humour' and need to learn more about Britain, not speaking out against rancid racists like Pete Willsman and yes his own brother Piers Corbyn)

Corbyn is against anti-semitism as well. Brown obviously wants someone more from the Brown/Blair wing of the party than Jeremy Corbyn as leader.

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It's beyond obvious that the right-wing British mainstream media, in cahoots with the Israeli lobby, are constantly manufacturing and spinning little "scandals" to take Corbyn down. It's a no-win situation; no matter how much he does, there will always be more demanded of him.

Which is of course why the Guardian, Gordon Brown, and Major trade unions like UNISON and GMB have all came out against antisemitism, and said that Labour needs to both reform it's internal practices, and that the leadership needs to take a much stronger stance.

Besides; these scandals aren't manufactured. They come from the stupid, insulting and frankly stupid comments that Corbyn has made (defending an antisemitic mural, saying 'Zionists' lack an 'english sense of humour' and need to learn more about Britain, not speaking out against rancid racists like Pete Willsman and yes his own brother Piers Corbyn)

Corbyn is against anti-semitism as well. Brown obviously wants someone more from the Brown/Blair wing of the party than Jeremy Corbyn as leader.

Ugh Brown doesn’t want anyone from the Blair wing of the leadership winning (see his endorsement of Ed M in 2010, his endorsement of Yvette) Besides Brown knows Labour well enough to know A.) Corbyn isn’t quitting B.) A speech by Brown wouldn’t bring him down C.) JCs successor will be from the left.

Well, I don't know about Brown, but some have admitted that this is about replacing Corbyn.

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www.theguardian.com/news/2018/sep/02/margaret-hodge-jeremy-corbyn-problem-labour-antisemitism-crisis

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But that’s like saying that Corbyn only opposed Iraq because a labour leader he wanted to replace supported it

Look, it's obvious these people criticizing Corbyn never wanted him in the first place. They even ran personal Facebook ads for Corbyn to convince him that they were running the Facebook ads he wanted.  If people cared more about the IRA they'd be running with that instead.

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The idea that none of the people in the British intelligence agencies are working against Corbyn is ridiculous. And I have no idea what that has to do with anti-semitism.

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https://twitter.com/JewishChron/status/1043824152610840576

Talk about a manufactured "crisis." Are you guys bored over there or something?

They need something to distract the sheeple from how poorly Brexit is going.

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https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1047878880932114432?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoog...

The people calling Corbyn an anti-semite don't like socialists either.

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There you have it, a socialist bookstore contained a book written by a Jew killed in the Holocaust, so therefore the left is anti-semitic.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bookmarks-bookshop-attack-socialist-london-muslims-paedophilia-trump-a8478306.html

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https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1051188041820332032

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Well then dead0, why are you commenting? As a natural born, down earth fellow American like me, surely you wouldn't dare to understand the intricacies of the media habits and politics of our noble highbrow cousins across the pond either.

In all seriousness, keep beating the dead horse and drinking the kool-aid. It's great stuff, you know. The Tories will get a fine spanking when election silence kicks in. All the garbage the establishment has been slinging will be for naught when Corbyn takes power and implements his "radical" policies that, shockingly enough, will benefit the average person, including Jews, Muslims, and people of all faiths.

The Americans and Israelis are going to be the ones aiding in the hurried evacuations and settling the refugees, so I think we have a valid reason to be involved here.

Stop gaslighting. We don't believe you.

The idea that there are going to be refugees from a Corbyn government is absurd. Refugees from the Conservatives buddy Viktor Orban is a different matter.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hungary-orban-anti-semitism_us_5aeccd64e4b041fd2d26b670

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Also, it took me awhile to even find who this nobody was, google kept directing me to a footballer. If this is the worst in the Labour party you guys have a pretty decent group of folks.

I think the whole point of twitter is to find some random tweet by a nobody that you can be outraged about, and if you can't find such a tweet, time to make a new twitter account.