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Author Topic: Opinion of Luiz Ignacio Lula de Silva  (Read 2001 times)
Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.
Nathan
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« on: February 24, 2024, 12:00:55 AM »

Holocaust denier, HP. Probably still better for Brazil and the environment than his fascist alternative, and the best way of dealing with someone like him is reminding them how thoroughly irrelevant they are on the global stage.

One can criticize holocaust inversion, but that's still a different thing than deniying it.

Lula's specific comments go much further than routine Holocaust inversion, drawing a direct comparison between the facts of the two and stating that there has been nothing as bad in human history besides those two. Ergo, he's either claiming that Israel has killed 13 million people (deranged blood libel) or that only five figures of Jews died in the Holocaust.

Let's not forget that it denigrates or downplays every other genocide too. It's like Lula took conventional Holocaust exceptionalism and went "this is great, but how can I make it as offensive to Jews as it already is to groups targeted in historical genocides besides Jews?" It's astonishing how well-formulated what he said was to insult almost every single currently or formerly oppressed people group on the planet except Palestinians, including many that are present in Brazil and turned out in droves to vote for him.

Didn't vote. I like him a lot in most ways, but this series of remarks really was far beyond the pale.
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Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2024, 10:19:57 PM »

Holocaust denier, HP. Probably still better for Brazil and the environment than his fascist alternative, and the best way of dealing with someone like him is reminding them how thoroughly irrelevant they are on the global stage.

How is he a Holocaust denier? I'm pretty sure he'd answer yes to the question of whether Nazi Germany killed 5-7 million Jews.

He said what Israel is doing is a "unique evil" on par with the Holocaust. It was clearly hyperbolic but nowhere near denial. Of course, that didn't stop the usual suspects from going into a tailspin.

Glad he's holding his own in this poll too. It is clear the majority see beyond the very tedious and false antisemitism allegations.

I like that he’s losing approval here though, it’s a good sign. Never understood why people loved him when his geopolitical instinct was always pretty much 95% aligned with mine and the traditional left lol

I mean, I kinda get it because of the Bolsonaro effect. Even here where I live, many liberals that were enthusiastic about Bolsonaro in 2018 warmed up somewhat to Lula in 2022.

Lula is/was well-liked on the forum and similar mostly-center-left Anglophone spaces for reasons other than geopolitics.
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