Islam and left-wing extremism

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I know there are many secular Muslims who are completely integrated into Western society and who regularly criticize their non-assimilable coreligionists - but exactly those reasonable Muslims are under police protection as they receive death threat by their socially dangerous counterparts, which are seconded by the left and especially by the Antifa (alas, also by some members of this forum ).

Again, you're reading this into people's responses to your points in other threads in a shockingly uncharitable way. Nobody on this forum who disagrees with you on legally banning hijab or whatever disagrees because we're secretly Islamists or support death threats against secular Muslims, get the hell over yourself.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I know there are many secular Muslims who are completely integrated into Western society and who regularly criticize their non-assimilable coreligionists - but exactly those reasonable Muslims are under police protection as they receive death threat by their socially dangerous counterparts, which are seconded by the left and especially by the Antifa (alas, also by some members of this forum ).

Again, you're reading this into people's responses to your points in other threads in a shockingly uncharitable way. Nobody on this forum who disagrees with you on legally banning hijab or whatever disagrees because we're secretly Islamists or support death threats against secular Muslims, get the hell over yourself.

It's basically only one extremist user who derails all treads he contributes to by spreading alternative facts and not acknowledging reliable sources that invalidate his points of views. It's like discussing with a left-wing QAnon sympathizer, who is completely unamenable for arguments. It's a pity that that rookie transferred his Twitter-style of "discussing" - which also right-wing extremists are known for - into our forum.

I haven't seen any reason to believe he's an extremist or a troll other than you insisting that he is because he disagrees with you. Also, you accusing others of derailing threads to talk about this is rich.

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You know that I can read, right? I can read his posts for myself and see that he's not "deifying Erdogan" in them, wtf.

Do you have some sort of history with him? That's the only reason I can think of for why you're so over-the-top hostile towards him that you keep derailing thread after thread to be about how horrible he is.

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You know that I can read, right? I can read his posts for myself and see that he's not "deifying Erdogan" in them, wtf.

Do you have some sort of history with him? That's the only reason I can think of for why you're so over-the-top hostile towards him that you keep derailing thread after thread to be about how horrible he is.

I have had feuds with his kindred souls I know from Twitter and Facebook and other platforms, and I have a problem with the Antifa in general, as they are as violent, brutal and dangerous as their brown brethren (while feeling ethically superior at the same time).

So, in other words, no, you have no history with him and are reading gripes you have with other people into your interactions with him. Got it.

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Was hoping for a blurb about how the PLO was part of the Third Wave of Rebel Terror and inquiring as to the intersection, yet we have this mess instead.

Lmao.

Reminds me of that one guy from Black Lagoon.

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Was hoping for a blurb about how the PLO was part of the Third Wave of Rebel Terror and inquiring as to the intersection, yet we have this mess instead.

Lmao.

Reminds me of that one guy from Black Lagoon.

Hell, for that matter the Joint List in Israel is basically a leftist/Islamist coalition, with a smaller contingent of bourgeois Arab nationalists. There is a "there" there, Hades is just very poorly equipped to correctly put his finger on it.

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My first post in this thread was, probably rightly, modified for personal attack, so I'll reiterate a more polite and composed version of the jao that plenty of OP's remarks on this are actually profoundly, savagely right-wing, not just a center-left style that current leftist orthodoxy finds uncomfortably laicist. "American criminal justice and welfare policy are better than ours because the Mussulmen can't benefit from them" is almost a parody of something a hardcore European right-winger would think.

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Also, it's not the first time someone supposedly not right-wing makes savagely right-wing takes about the undesirables, is it?

Hell, you could argue that this sentence is an apt summary of much Progressive Era social policy, so in a way, Hades is carrying on in a long center-left tradition!

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<sup>*: Unlike PR; I would say that the word racism here is indeed inaccurate because islam is not a race; but that doesn't mean that the discrimination is justified either.

If you want to talk about racism you could however talk about racism against arabs though. A surprisingly popular take I've seen is that "black illegal immigrants are ok and want to just work and live an honest life; arabs are not because they only come to do crimes</sup>

What the hell? Who says that? I've never heard it from anyone (although I've heard takes along the lines of "blacks are ok because they are mostly christians; arabs are not because they are muslims").

Not about illegal immigrants, but certainly in the UK the far-right prefers to direct their ire at British Muslims rather than black Britons, who, unlike in the 80s, they mostly ignore now.

Were there more Black people than Muslims in the UK in the 1980's? I know that today the opposite is definitely true (of course the current fixation with Muslims is not an exclusively British thing).

My understanding is that back during the Empire Windrush/Enoch Powell era immigration to Britain mostly came from the Caribbean, but I don't know exactly when that changed.