Israel-Gaza war

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To all the posters that are being critical of Israel. What would you have done if you were Israel After the Hamas abducted/raped/decapitated a ton of israeli children ?


Death toll is terrible in Gaza but I genuinely don't see how Hamas shouldn't be entirely blamed for that.

I would not go in and genocide a group of people because of terrorists. Responding to Hamas by becoming Hamas isn't the answer.

What Israel is doing is not genocide

It more or less is going to approach those lines at this rate like Grozny. Whether they have any other choice that doesn’t risk more of their own people is a different question but that doesn’t change the cold reality on the ground.

Did we commit was crimes when we invaded Germany in 1945

Undoubtedly.

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https://twitter.com/BostonReview/status/1712906344766804411
https://twitter.com/BostonReview/status/1713193172627489152
https://twitter.com/BostonReview/status/1713283573896073545

There is nothing Jewish about """Jewish""" Voice for Peace. They cheered on the Hamas pogrom of October 7 from the moment it began, and for decades seemingly their only purpose has been to serve as a fifth column to launder the reputation of any person or group accused of Jew-hate. Don't you dare cite them as Jewish anything. Other Jewish organizations are unanimously opposed to everything they do and for damn good reason.

Oh and stop spamming the same article by the same hateful ghoul, republished in various outlets, over and over again.

There are many Jewish members and their chairwoman is Jewish. You don't get to de-Jew them just because you disagree with their views. It doesn't work like that.

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"what would you do?"


Yeah bro don't tell me you wouldn't go into Iraq after 911!

I have said before that without hindsight I would have supported invading Iraq . I would have been a massive fan of George W Bush in late 2003 as well

That's really not something to brag about.

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I'm glad Biden has finally grown a spine.

He's still incredibly biased, but at least he is not totally ignoring the plight of the Gazan people. Went from like an F to a low D.

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Also, the US will be much more evangelical and very likely view the Israeli state more favorably than it does now in 15-20 years.

Irreligiosity is increasing every year. Wtf are you talking about?

I think he likes getting dunked on. At this point I'm not sure what else could lead someone to pick the obviously wrong viewpoint on literally everything. Remember he's an admitted masochist. This isn't a personal attack, he's said so himself.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/15/us/politics/biden-israel-gaza.html

President Biden is warning Israel not occupy Gaza, since it will be a disaster. He does says he supports any military effort to destroy Hamas. But afterwards, the Gaza strip needs to be returned to the Palestitian Authroity like pre-2006.

Biden is slowly seeing the light. This is perhaps the most neutral rhetoric I've heard from a president on Israel Palestine in my lifetime. Maybe he is disturbed by the images and videos of consistent, excessive and blatant Israeli war crimes, anyone with a heart should be.

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This is moronic . Gaza will have to be occupied and denazified first

Denazification didn't work in Germany, what makes you think it will work in Palestine?

He's using "denazification" in the same way as Putin. Makes sense, seeing as Putin and his cronies are the neocons of the anti West.

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It does get frustrating that western news organizations quote "Palestinian Health Officials" verbatim, even though its a Hamas spokesman. If the IDF is correct and the Hospital was hit with Hamas rockets, then it's been almost 2 hours of multiple news websites top headline essentially being "IDF blows up hospital, kills 100s of innocent civilians".

There are currently multiple violet protests happening in the middle east right now because of this. Even more people are going to be killed. All for what could be a horrific accident.

Imagine thinking Western media is biased against Israel. Just lmao. Boy do I wish we had emojis so I could fill this post up with even more laughs.

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It does get frustrating that western news organizations quote "Palestinian Health Officials" verbatim, even though its a Hamas spokesman. If the IDF is correct and the Hospital was hit with Hamas rockets, then it's been almost 2 hours of multiple news websites top headline essentially being "IDF blows up hospital, kills 100s of innocent civilians".

There are currently multiple violet protests happening in the middle east right now because of this. Even more people are going to be killed. All for what could be a horrific accident.

Imagine thinking Western media is biased against Israel. Just lmao. Boy do I wish we had emojis so I could fill this post up with even more laughs.

They are biased against wealthy societies (and people) and in favor of poorer societies (and people) very broadly. The bias in favor of the Palestinians is just a particularly galling and obvious case study of this.

Lol

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It's clear this is becoming an inflection point in international sentiment. Over a decade of diplomacy with Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States has been incinerated. The West Bank has become a powder keg.

If Israel did not bomb the hospital, they need to release all of the available video footage from before, during and after the explosion so the public can see for themselves just what did or did not happen.

And they'd better do it now, before POTUS arrives and they have an opportunity to tank our international standing along with theirs.

This is not a good look.

Biden should cancel the trip.

I agree, if I’m him I turn the plane around.

He won't do it. While his rhetoric is a bit less pro Israel than his predecessors, I just don't see this happening. He will meet with Bibi and make a speech about "full commitment to Israel" that no one under age 45 will like other than GMac.

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As it turns out, the Israeli's had already bombed this hospital a few days previously. But of course they wouldn't do such a thing a second time.

https://www.anglicannews.org/news/2023/10/anglican-run-al-ahli-arab-hospital-in-gaza-damaged-by-israeli-rocket-fire-as-conflict-continues.aspx

Not a good day for the credibility of neoconservative propagandists and online intelligence assets spreading naked disinfo.

The horseshoe theory is real especially when it comes to foreign policy

You're further right than YH, he's just more racist.

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As it turns out, the Israeli's had already bombed this hospital a few days previously. But of course they wouldn't do such a thing a second time.

https://www.anglicannews.org/news/2023/10/anglican-run-al-ahli-arab-hospital-in-gaza-damaged-by-israeli-rocket-fire-as-conflict-continues.aspx

Not a good day for the credibility of neoconservative propagandists and online intelligence assets spreading naked disinfo.

The horseshoe theory is real especially when it comes to foreign policy

You're further right than YH, he's just more racist.

Um what , so was John McCain to the right of Pat Buchanan and Dwight Eisenhower to the right of Robert Taft . Foreign policy isn’t really a right left issue which is why you see the far right and far left ally themselves on foreign policy vs the center right and center left .


You see this happen even more these days because both the fat right and far left seem to believe in the “muh America = bad thus everyone who we back = bad”.

I think America is great and support Ukraine 100% so not sure what you're talking about. And in some respects Buchanan was absolutely to McCain's left yes.

Eisenhower and Taft are both too far in the past to properly place on today's spectrum, but I think Eisenhower would be disgusted with a lot of your views if he were alive today. I mean this is literally the guy who sounded the alarm on the evils and excesses of the MIC.

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https://twitter.com/AkbarSAhmed/status/1714780149663551512?t=LB_IegiPdDkMIXy5FHu...
https://twitter.com/BCFinucane/status/1714780336410751214?t=-_Y0EYdvFRevRrg65gpq...

That's pretty damning.

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Israel is a pariah for the youth. Very cool numbers here!

https://twitter.com/GrittyGetLitty/status/1715168690004435168?t=pzKBVro8r9yppkI4...

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Israel is a pariah for the youth. Very cool numbers here!

https://twitter.com/GrittyGetLitty/status/1715168690004435168?t=pzKBVro8r9yppkI4...

That poll is still misleading, as that poll literally showed 57% of young voters thought Israel's response was justified.

I mean even I think the response is partially justified. My point is that boomers support Israel no matter what they do because of religion and sympathy but that isn't going to work with younger people.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russias-draft-resolution-on-israel-failed-to-mention-hamas-defeated-at-un/ar-AA1ijQVR

Russia actually took a stronger stance against Israel and that is why it abstained on Brazil's proposal.

Boy, all that hand-wringing from the Israeli government about how they just had to stay neutral on Ukraine vs Russia because of Reasons™️ and they can’t even get a condemnation of Hamas from Russia when they need it most. Great geopolitical strategy, Likudniks! 

Israel has treated Ukraine terribly over the past year and a half. I don't know why Zelensky is still trying to suck up to them.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russias-draft-resolution-on-israel-failed-to-mention-hamas-defeated-at-un/ar-AA1ijQVR

Russia actually took a stronger stance against Israel and that is why it abstained on Brazil's proposal.

Boy, all that hand-wringing from the Israeli government about how they just had to stay neutral on Ukraine vs Russia because of Reasons™️ and they can’t even get a condemnation of Hamas from Russia when they need it most. Great geopolitical strategy, Likudniks!  

Israel has treated Ukraine terribly over the past year and a half. I don't know why Zelensky is still trying to suck up to them.

To get more of their support, maybe? Since Russia is aligning with Palestine.

Cozying up to Israel will make Ukraine toxic to a lot of the more neutral parties. Ukraine is far more popular on the international stage than Israel and I don't understand why he'd try to jeopardize that. Look at how much America's obsequiesness to Israel has hurt us in the middle east.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russias-draft-resolution-on-israel-failed-to-mention-hamas-defeated-at-un/ar-AA1ijQVR

Russia actually took a stronger stance against Israel and that is why it abstained on Brazil's proposal.

Boy, all that hand-wringing from the Israeli government about how they just had to stay neutral on Ukraine vs Russia because of Reasons™️ and they can’t even get a condemnation of Hamas from Russia when they need it most. Great geopolitical strategy, Likudniks!  

Israel has treated Ukraine terribly over the past year and a half. I don't know why Zelensky is still trying to suck up to them.

To get more of their support, maybe? Since Russia is aligning with Palestine.

Cozying up to Israel will make Ukraine toxic to a lot of the more neutral parties. Ukraine is far more popular on the international stage than Israel and I don't understand why he'd try to jeopardize that. Look at how much America's obsequiesness to Israel has hurt us in the middle east.

Israel is popular with the governments where Ukraine is popular though, so not sure if I understand your point. General population opinions don’t really matter that much and it’s not like pro-Palestinian westerners will start cheering for Russia over Ukraine only because they think Russia is more correct than Ukraine on the matter of Israel/Gaza.

I certainly won't, but I wouldn't bet on that. Some people are very "enemy of my enemy" and have no moral compass otherwise.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russias-draft-resolution-on-israel-failed-to-mention-hamas-defeated-at-un/ar-AA1ijQVR

Russia actually took a stronger stance against Israel and that is why it abstained on Brazil's proposal.

Boy, all that hand-wringing from the Israeli government about how they just had to stay neutral on Ukraine vs Russia because of Reasons™️ and they can’t even get a condemnation of Hamas from Russia when they need it most. Great geopolitical strategy, Likudniks!  

Israel has treated Ukraine terribly over the past year and a half. I don't know why Zelensky is still trying to suck up to them.

To get more of their support, maybe? Since Russia is aligning with Palestine.

Cozying up to Israel will make Ukraine toxic to a lot of the more neutral parties. Ukraine is far more popular on the international stage than Israel and I don't understand why he'd try to jeopardize that. Look at how much America's obsequiesness to Israel has hurt us in the middle east.

No they are not. Literally everyone who supports Ukraine also supports Israel here and the one exception to that Rule is India who supports Israel but does not support Ukraine.

So Israel has more support on the world stage than Ukraine does

Only like 10 countries at the UN support Russia's imperialism but whenever something comes up about supporting human rights for Palestinians and condemning the illegal settlements pretty much every country besides the US, Israel and Palau vote in favor.

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https://twitter.com/Israel/status/1717241394761269452?s=20
Totally unserious country.

Tribalism will make people create excuses for the wildest stuff they wouldn’t even think about doing otherwise, like acting Orban type of politics are funny if they come from Israel.

I mean this is true, but your tribalism leads you to believe that imperialism isn't real if it comes from Russia. So I wouldn't laugh too much.

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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/musk-says-starlink-provide-connectivity-gaza-through-aid-organizations-2023-10-28/

"Musk says Starlink to provide connectivity in Gaza through aid groups"

Elon does the right thing for once.

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Anyone remember when Snowstalker was unironically posting Carlos Latuff cartoons and even had some in his signature?

I'm more concerned about the immense destruction and huge loss of life in Gaza so no, not really.

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This is all highly organized. It's not just that it's not representative, it's that it's actively non-representative, with the intention of deceiving the pols and drowning out the majority.

They've also made their pet issue toxic. Note how all the reps suddenly calling for a temporary stop to the fighting are using the random term "humanitarian pause" because "Cease-fire" has become associated with the fringe.

1. Almost everyone is saying ceasefire
2. Ignore this all you want just like you ignore the situation in Gaza, but it will come back to bite you

You don't get that Biden can't stop this. No one can. After what Hamas has done, this is the path of action that ends with the least horror, and all the people advocating for radical moves are advocating for opening pandora's box.

So they don't need our money then, got it.

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This is all highly organized. It's not just that it's not representative, it's that it's actively non-representative, with the intention of deceiving the pols and drowning out the majority.

They've also made their pet issue toxic. Note how all the reps suddenly calling for a temporary stop to the fighting are using the random term "humanitarian pause" because "Cease-fire" has become associated with the fringe.

1. Almost everyone is saying ceasefire
2. Ignore this all you want just like you ignore the situation in Gaza, but it will come back to bite you

You don't get that Biden can't stop this. No one can. After what Hamas has done, this is the path of action that ends with the least horror, and all the people advocating for radical moves are advocating for opening pandora's box.

So they don't need our money then, got it.

That is money very well-spent to keep Israel restrained and cautious. What you're watching right now is Israel restrained and cautious.

So you're saying if Israel doesn't get our money they'll throw a tantrum and murder even more children? That's how spoiled kids blackmail weak willed parents.

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This is all highly organized. It's not just that it's not representative, it's that it's actively non-representative, with the intention of deceiving the pols and drowning out the majority.

They've also made their pet issue toxic. Note how all the reps suddenly calling for a temporary stop to the fighting are using the random term "humanitarian pause" because "Cease-fire" has become associated with the fringe.

1. Almost everyone is saying ceasefire
2. Ignore this all you want just like you ignore the situation in Gaza, but it will come back to bite you

You don't get that Biden can't stop this. No one can. After what Hamas has done, this is the path of action that ends with the least horror, and all the people advocating for radical moves are advocating for opening pandora's box.

So they don't need our money then, got it.

That is money very well-spent to keep Israel restrained and cautious. What you're watching right now is Israel restrained and cautious.

So you're saying if Israel doesn't get our money they'll throw a tantrum and murder even more children? That's how spoiled teens blackmail weak willed parents.

Gross misrepresentation based on data provided solely by Hamas-run bureaus aside, how did you think this was going to go? Did you think Hamas could commit the worst act of anti-Jewish genocide since the Holocaust and not have all hell rain down on them? This is what total war looks like, and Hamas started that war.

And it'll stay a conventional, contained war as long as Israel knows the world's greatest power is on its side - something the vast majority of the US public supports.

If Israel being cautious still means "all hell rains down on them" what do you think their reaction would be if we stopped funding them?