Biden VP news megathread (pg 286 - been selected, announcement could be today)

[DrScholl]

He's not really going to do that and the article doesn't even say that he's "thinking" about it. He gave a throwaway answer so that the media didn't spin his answer into some sort of scandal about him hating Republican voters. The media loves to use these sort of questions to try and create drama for Democrats.

[DrScholl]

He's not really going to do that and the article doesn't even say that he's "thinking" about it. He gave a throwaway answer so that the media didn't spin his answer into some sort of scandal about him hating Republican voters. The media loves to use these sort of questions to try and create drama for Democrats.

This, but some Republicans could be good choices for Biden - Phil Batt, Connie Morella, or Barbara Comstock would strengthen the ticket significantly.

I'm going to assume you are joking since Connie Morella is 88 and Philip Batt is 95 and because Comstock is just an obvious joke.

[DrScholl]

He said he would, if he could think of any. This is more of a backhanded slap at the GOP than anything else.

Of course, many take that completely out-of-context with their deliberate distortions.

Don't forget this the same man who wants to save the Republican Party--I don't think others are the ones reading the wrong context into this.

If Biden was at least somewhat competent, which it's clear he isn't, he wouldn't validate these questions with an answer in the first place.

Sure he's naive about Republicans in some aspects, but he's not going to actually pick a Republican running mate or even consider it.

[DrScholl]

Baldwin definitely wouldn't be selected. That wouldn't be worth the risk of a Senator Glenn Grothman or Senator Paul Ryan or Senator Scott Walker.

[DrScholl]

I’ve been saying Abrams was an overhyped, entitled clown ever since she refused to accept that she lost the Governor’s race fair and square, so I now accept my accolades

She conceded, so it's not like she didn't accept it. It's a fact that Kemp had his thumb on the scale by throwing voters off the rolls and Abrams is right to point that out because it can happen again this year.

[DrScholl]

I’ve been saying Abrams was an overhyped, entitled clown ever since she refused to accept that she lost the Governor’s race fair and square, so I now accept my accolades

She conceded, so it's not like she didn't accept it. It's a fact that Kemp had his thumb on the scale by throwing voters off the rolls and Abrams is right to point that out because it can happen again this year.

Abrams didn't acknowledge the legitimacy of the election that she lost.  Kemp did not steal the Governorship from her, the voters chose to elect him.  Her inability to accept that was itself disqualifying for even a cabinet post, much less VP.  She has no respect for the democratic process.  Frankly, the Democrats would be wise not to run her again in 2022.

Throwing voters off the rolls while you are running for Governor is cheating. But I'm not going to argue about it with you about it because you clearly don't see that it was a problem what Kemp did.

[DrScholl]

Harris was basically written off in 2010 Attorney General race because she was anti-death penalty and was running against a Republican who won in Los Angeles County. I recall people actually being shocked when she won Los Angeles County because there was an assumption that Cooley would win it or at least keep it close. The race wasn't close because Harris was bad candidate, it was close because who she was running against.

[DrScholl]

Kaine was not a great selection because he didn't offer anything that Clinton already didn't offer. And it's completely bizarre that anyone would think that voters saw Clinton as farther away from the center than Trump. Trump ran the most right-wing and extreme campaign in a long time. There was and is nothing centrist about him.

[DrScholl]

Kaine was not a great selection because he didn't offer anything that Clinton already didn't offer. And it's completely bizarre that anyone would think that voters saw Clinton as farther away from the center than Trump. Trump ran the most right-wing and extreme campaign in a long time. There was and is nothing centrist about him.

This is a bizarre rewriting of history.  Trump ran on a platform of avoiding all cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid (an enormous departure from conservative ideological orthodoxy and a huge move toward the center on economic issues),  skepticism of free trade, a little token praise of Planned Parenthood, and criticism of George W. Bush’s foreign policy.  He dropped all talk of reversing LGBTQ marriage equality.  Even on immigration, Trump’s position was not in any clear way more extreme than Paul Ryan's.  It's no surprise, then, that

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/883742412279078912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etf...

His promises were obviously not believable and were far overshadowed by his blatant racist rhetoric. The racist rhetoric is what got him through the primary and what won him the election. He appealed to racist instincts in many voters across the Midwest. Calling Mexicans rapists is not centrist.

[DrScholl]

Kaine was not a great selection because he didn't offer anything that Clinton already didn't offer. And it's completely bizarre that anyone would think that voters saw Clinton as farther away from the center than Trump. Trump ran the most right-wing and extreme campaign in a long time. There was and is nothing centrist about him.

This is a bizarre rewriting of history.  Trump ran on a platform of avoiding all cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid (an enormous departure from conservative ideological orthodoxy and a huge move toward the center on economic issues),  skepticism of free trade, a little token praise of Planned Parenthood, and criticism of George W. Bush’s foreign policy.  He dropped all talk of reversing LGBTQ marriage equality.  Even on immigration, Trump’s position was not in any clear way more extreme than Paul Ryan's.  It's no surprise, then, that

His promises were obviously not believable and were far overshadowed by his blatant racist rhetoric. The racist rhetoric is what got him through the primary and what won him the election. He appealed to racist instincts in many voters across the Midwest. Calling Mexicans rapists is not centrist.

And yet..

And look at Trump's record and see exactly how centrist it is. I'm waiting for a chart that shows that Trump is actually more moderate than Clinton.

With that said, the real election data doesn't suggest that Trump was viewed as centrist because he bled voters in more moderate areas and gained them in areas that have moved far right.

[DrScholl]

Kaine was not a great selection because he didn't offer anything that Clinton already didn't offer. And it's completely bizarre that anyone would think that voters saw Clinton as farther away from the center than Trump. Trump ran the most right-wing and extreme campaign in a long time. There was and is nothing centrist about him.

This is a bizarre rewriting of history.  Trump ran on a platform of avoiding all cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid (an enormous departure from conservative ideological orthodoxy and a huge move toward the center on economic issues),  skepticism of free trade, a little token praise of Planned Parenthood, and criticism of George W. Bush’s foreign policy.  He dropped all talk of reversing LGBTQ marriage equality.  Even on immigration, Trump’s position was not in any clear way more extreme than Paul Ryan's.  It's no surprise, then, that

His promises were obviously not believable and were far overshadowed by his blatant racist rhetoric. The racist rhetoric is what got him through the primary and what won him the election. He appealed to racist instincts in many voters across the Midwest. Calling Mexicans rapists is not centrist.

And yet..

And look at Trump's record and see exactly how centrist it is. I'm waiting for a chart that shows that Trump is actually more moderate than Clinton.

With that said, the real election data doesn't suggest that Trump was viewed as centrist because he bled voters in more moderate areas and gained them in areas that have moved far right.

I think you're just being purposely obtuse.  I'm not arguing that Trump is or was more centrist--the point is that in 2016 average voters saw him as more centrist.

The actual election data (not polling) doesn't support the idea that voters actually saw Trump as moderate. If that was true he wouldn't have lost places places like Orange County, DuPage County, etc. and greatly increased Republican vote shares in Appalachian counties. I'm going off of real data, not polling.

[DrScholl]

The funniest thing about all these articles and comments from the likes of Morgan and Dodd is that it has rallied the Democrat's base around Harris.

And thus, the tragedy of the Democratic Party.

Hawley will destroy Kamala in '24 if she gets her way.

What is so great about Hawley? He's from an incredibly red state and has no notable political instincts that make him a good presidential candidate.

Post Trump it will be hard for Republicans to win the White House again without moving away from the far right and there isn't a Republican candidate that wants to do that. No Republican is going to be destroying any Democrat in a presidential election any time soon.

[DrScholl]

Some of the posts in this thread show exactly why sexism plays a major factor in political races. I don't recall any male candidates for VP being this scrutinized personally.

Biden doesn't need to select Duckworth to try and extract sympathy votes from people. This isn't any disrespect for Duckworth, but her management and elective experience is a lot shorter than some of the others on the list.

[DrScholl]

https://twitter.com/chuckrossdc/status/1290371296862363650?s=21

Stick a fork in her.

“Do no harm candidate” my ass, Ed Rendell.

With the amount of liquorlining there is in poor black communities this sentiment isn't surprising and there are a lot of people in South Los Angeles who probably feel the same way. That aside, I didn't believe that she was going to be the pick anyway.

[DrScholl]

Karen Bass eulogized Communist Party USA leader

Add another nail..

Forget VP, I don't even know if I want her in Congress at this point lol

I really don't think that statement warrants her not being in Congress. In her district most people wouldn't even care because they have more important things to worry about.

[DrScholl]

An all-white ticket is not a good idea in the midst of everything that has happened this year. That's just my opinion.

[DrScholl]

An all-white ticket is not a good idea in the midst of everything that has happened this year. That's just my opinion.

To most Americans the main issue of the year is COVID and the economy. The truth is that these protests are generally limited to a handful of cities and the issues that must be addressed go far beyond one VP pick.

That is true, but I was mostly referring to turnout. If things end up surprisingly close the race will come down to strong black turnout in larger cities. Maybe it won't be a problem, but it is a concern worth noting.

[DrScholl]

Whitmer really is doubling down on the suburbs if Biden selects her but I would argue it’s a pretty sound strategy. She’ll have much more appeal where the flips are compared to Coastal Rice and Harris.

Whitmer is going to be seen as "elite" by the people who believe in that sort of thing simply because she is a woman in a position of authority. And if we are going to talk elite, the current President is the stereotypical example of that and shows it every day.

[DrScholl]

Whitmer really is doubling down on the suburbs if Biden selects her but I would argue it’s a pretty sound strategy. She’ll have much more appeal where the flips are compared to Coastal Rice and Harris.

Whitmer is going to be seen as "elite" by the people who believe in that sort of thing simply because she is a woman in a position of authority. And if we are going to talk elite, the current President is the stereotypical example of that and shows it every day.

No it isn't the same thing. Over the past decade, about 5 cities (SF, DC, NYC, Boston among them) have reaped most of the economic rewards. Whitmer being from Michigan and her vibe isn't even close to what Rice feels like. It's the attitude the elitist left has toward the rest of this country that needs to change.

These Trump supporting nutjobs you are chasing after see elitist in a whole other manner than that. Elitism has nothing to do with money, because people can think they are better for other reasons. Lots of people seem to think being from small towns in the Midwest makes them superior to everyone else.

[DrScholl]

It’s official! Joe Biden has selected Kamala Harris, according to a California Democratic Party official on NPR just now.

Stop making things up.

[DrScholl]

If that is true, Biden's wife and sister certainly do nothing to dismantle stereotypes about women being petty and having issues with other women

[DrScholl]

If that is true, Biden's wife and sister certainly do nothing to dismantle stereotypes about women being petty and having issues with other women

Kamala is identity liberalism without labor....we found out how it ended in 2016.

We get it, you have race issues. No need to mask it by whining about identity politics. Some of you all are no better than Trump or these other knuckleheads on the right-wing. You people were ready to throw minorities under the bus and imitate Trump as a strategy to win, but 2018 proved that imitating Trump was not the way to go. Without minorities Democrats wouldn't not have won the house. It wasn't racist white voters who voted for Democratic candidates, it was minorities and suburbanites.

[DrScholl]

Biden signals Al Gore is the pick:
https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1292475731172261894?s=21

When did Gore become a woman?

Well, the way things are going on the left it wouldn't surprise me. She would probably be a better vice president then most of the choices within my opinion. lol

Go away, troll.

[DrScholl]

The one issue that makes Warren problematic is the Native American ancestry one. Trump is going to harp on that and that gives him and the media a pass to talk about that instead of the real issues. The constant barrage of stories about whether or not Warren lied about being Native American to advance could really be a drag on the ticket.

[DrScholl]

I think Rice would be a better pick for him than Harris, because the narrative would be more that she was picked for her experience rather than Identity politics.

Rice is less experienced though. She's never actually run an executive office and has served in an advisory capacity.

And your President supports running people others over with cars because of imagined slights. That's identity politics.