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« on: June 23, 2010, 03:42:04 PM »
« edited: July 12, 2010, 10:03:31 PM by Rochambeau »

I'd say it's a close race between Jackson, Nixon, and Bush Jr., but I'd go with Bush Jr. in the end.
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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2010, 04:00:13 PM »

Wilson, Bush Jr., Johnson, Nixon, McKinley, Reagan, Roosevelt, Jackson, Lincoln, Clinton, Grant, Madison

You can only pick one.
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2010, 06:28:08 PM »

The reason I say FDR is because he tried to politically force the supreme court members to resign and wanted to stack the court with left wing ideologues. Plus he didn't even follow Washington's example of 2 terms and then stepping down. I've said the same about Clinton but that's a whole different story.

FDR would have stepped down after two terms if it wasn't for WWII.
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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2010, 06:29:06 PM »


Lincoln won the Civil War and abolsihed slavery. He deserved to get relected for that. It's a huge tragedy he was assainted, though. Our country would have been much better off right now if it wasn't for that.
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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2010, 01:16:12 PM »

Even though Teddy Roosevelt wasn't didn't technically serve 2 terms, he should have been on the list.  By the time of the 1904 election Americans had had almost 4 years of his presidency.  If he were included on the list I would have voted for him, Mark Hanna would make such a better Republican nominee.

Since he isn't on the list I voted for Wilson, who barley won 1916.  His isolationist policies in regards to WWI and his extremley-socialist economic polices and his blunt bigotry just don't make him deserving of being called a "two-term president". 

Teddy Roosevelt served almost two full terms, but he was only elected once. Thus, he doesn't belong on this list, just like Truman doesn't belong on this list. As for Wilson, I agree with you that he screwed up a lot but I still think Bush Jr. screwed up even more.
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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2010, 01:50:13 PM »

I dont like Jackson for defying supreme court orders, and for threatening to send troops for passing the null and void, which was legal.

Secession is not legal and never was. And cpeeks, do you honestly think Lincoln was worse than Bush Jr.?
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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2010, 08:59:41 PM »

I dont like Jackson for defying supreme court orders, and for threatening to send troops for passing the null and void, which was legal.

Secession is not legal and never was. And cpeeks, do you honestly think Lincoln was worse than Bush Jr.?

Succession was legal and still is. Numerous constitutional scholars have said that. And for me what Lincoln did by not letting the south  go cost 600,000 lives and to this day has kept the south  down. So in that aspect the destruction he caused was far worse than Bush Jr.

lol if you think that the South right now is worse off than it was when slavery was still legal.


Lincoln helped pass the 13th Amendment, which ended slavery. If slavery was still around, the South would be much worse off right now.
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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2010, 09:12:02 PM »

Where did I ever mention anything about slavery? And no Lincoln did not do anything to pass the 13th amendment, he had been dead 8 months after it was passed

He helped push it thought Congress, which passed it while Lincoln was still alive.
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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2010, 12:57:32 PM »

Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.

Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.

Just because a President was popular doesn't mean he should have deserved being reelected if his most of his policies/actions were bad. Truman wasn't reelected--he was elected once in 1948 (when his approvals were about the same as Bush Jr.'s in 2004). LBJ wasn't reelected either--he was elected once in 1964, when he had very high approval ratings. There were no polls when Wilson was President, and thus it's impossible to know exactly what his approvals were. However, judging by his margin of victory in 1916, Wilson's approval ratings were probably about the same as Bush Jr.'s were in 2004. And Bush Jr.'s disapproval ratings were higher than any other President's were.
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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2010, 12:49:00 AM »

Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.

Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.

What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?

I don't know whose source is correct, but just because a President was popular on Election Day doesn't mean he deserved to get reelected if most of his policies were bad.
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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2010, 05:54:25 PM »

Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.

Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.

What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?

I don't know whose source is correct, but just because a President was popular on Election Day doesn't mean he deserved to get reelected if most of his policies were bad.

Then you're talking about nothing other than personal opinions. If opinions were the case I'd have to say FDR but I'm above opinions as are most of the members of this forum.

I asked this question with regards to personal opinions.
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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2010, 12:05:13 AM »

Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.

Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.

What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?

I don't know whose source is correct, but just because a President was popular on Election Day doesn't mean he deserved to get reelected if most of his policies were bad.

Then you're talking about nothing other than personal opinions. If opinions were the case I'd have to say FDR but I'm above opinions as are most of the members of this forum.

I asked this question with regards to personal opinions.

Well than that's FDR, because he was a socialist who wanted to stack the supreme court. Look people here are above simple minded opinions that come with no research or knowledge of facts.

FDR was not a socialist. He preserved a free-market economy. And most people here back up their opinions with facts.
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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2010, 12:22:29 AM »

Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.

Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.

What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?

I don't know whose source is correct, but just because a President was popular on Election Day doesn't mean he deserved to get reelected if most of his policies were bad.

Then you're talking about nothing other than personal opinions. If opinions were the case I'd have to say FDR but I'm above opinions as are most of the members of this forum.

I asked this question with regards to personal opinions.

Well than that's FDR, because he was a socialist who wanted to stack the supreme court. Look people here are above simple minded opinions that come with no research or knowledge of facts.

FDR was not a socialist. He preserved a free-market economy. And most people here back up their opinions with facts.

Most people here form their opinions by doing research to find what causes the facts. Not just say ok the unemployment rate is high or low so I do or don't like this president.

Exactly. But people here still form strong opinions based on the facts which they found.
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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2010, 03:47:20 PM »

Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.

Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.

What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?

Truman wasn't reelected, just elected once.
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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2010, 10:03:16 PM »

Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.

Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.

What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?

Truman wasn't reelected, just elected once.

Congratulations on splitting hairs. Is it really about being elected or reelected? Or is it about the approval rating on election night? Oh I think we can agree it's the latter and you've changed the subject to find the nitty gritty. Truman's approval rating was 49% when he was reelected.

I explicitly said in this thread that this is about Presidents being reelected, not elected. Thus Truman was not included in the poll options.
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« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2010, 03:02:13 PM »

Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.

Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.

What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?

Truman wasn't reelected, just elected once.

Congratulations on splitting hairs. Is it really about being elected or reelected? Or is it about the approval rating on election night? Oh I think we can agree it's the latter and you've changed the subject to find the nitty gritty. Truman's approval rating was 49% when he was reelected.

I explicitly said in this thread that this is about Presidents being reelected, not elected. Thus Truman was not included in the poll options.

yada yada yada. Ok so there has never been a president below 50% approval who was reelected. The one to deserve it the least was FDR because he was a socialist and tried to stack the supreme court.

FDR wasn't a socialist and while I disagree with his court packing plan, that was hardly the worst thing any President ever did. And the SC back then was pretty bad--it overturned a law banning child labor back in 1918.
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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2010, 10:38:36 PM »

Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.

Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.

What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?

Truman wasn't reelected, just elected once.

Congratulations on splitting hairs. Is it really about being elected or reelected? Or is it about the approval rating on election night? Oh I think we can agree it's the latter and you've changed the subject to find the nitty gritty. Truman's approval rating was 49% when he was reelected.

I explicitly said in this thread that this is about Presidents being reelected, not elected. Thus Truman was not included in the poll options.

yada yada yada. Ok so there has never been a president below 50% approval who was reelected. The one to deserve it the least was FDR because he was a socialist and tried to stack the supreme court.

FDR wasn't a socialist and while I disagree with his court packing plan, that was hardly the worst thing any President ever did. And the SC back then was pretty bad--it overturned a law banning child labor back in 1918.

That's no excuse to politicize the courts. All he did was create a generation of people who were dependent on the government for every little thing.

He failed with his court-packing plan. All of his Supreme Court appointments were constitutional.
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