Israel-Gaza war

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russias-draft-resolution-on-israel-failed-to-mention-hamas-defeated-at-un/ar-AA1ijQVR

Russia actually took a stronger stance against Israel and that is why it abstained on Brazil's proposal.

Boy, all that hand-wringing from the Israeli government about how they just had to stay neutral on Ukraine vs Russia because of Reasons™️ and they can’t even get a condemnation of Hamas from Russia when they need it most. Great geopolitical strategy, Likudniks! 

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russias-draft-resolution-on-israel-failed-to-mention-hamas-defeated-at-un/ar-AA1ijQVR

Russia actually took a stronger stance against Israel and that is why it abstained on Brazil's proposal.

Boy, all that hand-wringing from the Israeli government about how they just had to stay neutral on Ukraine vs Russia because of Reasons™️ and they can’t even get a condemnation of Hamas from Russia when they need it most. Great geopolitical strategy, Likudniks! 

Netanyahu might actually be pro-Putin, another fail from him, but this began under Bennett and Lapid - and it wasn't because they thought Russia would be on their side, it was because Putin was no doubt threatening to unleash his Syrian proxies on the border. Something he still might do simply because he's a sadistic monster.

Well, letting the Iranians and Russians run amok in Syria up to and including the use of WMDs on civilians because “anyone fighting the Syrian government is an ISIS-Al Qaida-Jihadist-Western Puppet-Etc” hasn’t exactly turned out well for Israel then, has it? More examples of the utter disaster for Israeli national security that the Israeli foreign policy has led to. Anyone in Israel who still supports Likud and its allies is insane or a traitor to Israel.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russias-draft-resolution-on-israel-failed-to-mention-hamas-defeated-at-un/ar-AA1ijQVR

Russia actually took a stronger stance against Israel and that is why it abstained on Brazil's proposal.

Boy, all that hand-wringing from the Israeli government about how they just had to stay neutral on Ukraine vs Russia because of Reasons™️ and they can’t even get a condemnation of Hamas from Russia when they need it most. Great geopolitical strategy, Likudniks! 

Israel has treated Ukraine terribly over the past year and a half. I don't know why Zelensky is still trying to suck up to them.

Anything to get more military support/reduce Russia’s support. Given that the Venn diagram of anti-Ukraine/anti-Israel governments overlaps considerably, it’s a pragmatic move. I agree with you in how Israel has treated Ukraine, but Ukraine doesn’t have a lot of options. Maybe Zelensky is hoping Israel will stop blocking weapons transfers that require Israeli approval?

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What's the deal with Mescaline's posting style in this thread? Am I missing something? Does he see this as some sort of cricket live update?

Well, there are plenty of Ashes to compete for now…

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The last time there was a winning option would’ve been if Israel went into Gaza to remove Hamas following Hamas’ coup against Fatah. But we’ve learned why that didn’t ever happen, right Bibi?

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I’m pretty sure most of Israel is on the same page regarding Bibi and Likud: a corrupt, authoritarian, petty, and above all incompetent leader who, judging from the international reactions a browse of Wikipedia garners, has led Israel into its worst national security situation since at least 1982 if not further back. Bibi and Likud have already managed to squander much of the goodwill and sympathy that Hamas’ barbaric attacks had gained Israel, and that’s before the ground invasion has even started. The absolute eclipse of Israeli soft power - and, to a shocking extent, hard power as well - that Bibi, Likud, and their even more horrifying coalition partners have been responsible for would justify an IDF coup in my opinion to save the country by trying and imprisoning those who were willing to destroy not just one but two nations in the pursuit of money and power. Oh, and draft every single eligible Haredi and send them in the first wave into Gaza because they’re responsible for this sh!tstorm too. I’m not surprised one bit that Bibi’s son is a draft dodger: like father, like son in putting their own desires ahead of their country’s. Maybe Israel could trade members of the extremist coalition for the release of hostages so that they could at least do one thing for their country before their inevitable and justified demise.

Surprised you posted this jaichind, Bibi seems like your type of guy.

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I’m pretty sure most of Israel is on the same page regarding Bibi and Likud: a corrupt, authoritarian, petty, and above all incompetent leader who, judging from the international reactions a browse of Wikipedia garners, has led Israel into its worst national security situation since at least 1982 if not further back. Bibi and Likud have already managed to squander much of the goodwill and sympathy that Hamas’ barbaric attacks had gained Israel, and that’s before the ground invasion has even started. The absolute eclipse of Israeli soft power - and, to a shocking extent, hard power as well - that Bibi, Likud, and their even more horrifying coalition partners have been responsible for would justify an IDF coup in my opinion to save the country by trying and imprisoning those who were willing to destroy not just one but two nations in the pursuit of money and power. Oh, and draft every single eligible Haredi and send them in the first wave into Gaza because they’re responsible for this sh!tstorm too. I’m not surprised one bit that Bibi’s son is a draft dodger: like father, like son in putting their own desires ahead of their country’s. Maybe Israel could trade members of the extremist coalition for the release of hostages so that they could at least do one thing for their country before their inevitable and justified demise.

Surprised you posted this jaichind, Bibi seems like your type of guy.

Netanyahu the elder does at least have a very creditable military record.

When young, yes. Which makes this all the more damning for him.

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When young, yes. Which makes this all the more damning for him.

Netanyahu is one of the few Israeli special forces ever to storm a plane full of fervent Islamic terrorists and shoot them all dead.

During the attack, he got shot in the hand by one of his Israeli colleagues.

He also served in both Israeli wars.

His son is most likely chasing Cuban models in Miami and posting about his McLaren sports car on Instagram.

There is no way possible he will be made of the same stuff as his Dad.

Ah, need to add “and a terrible father” to my condemnation of him then

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As yet another tragedy continues to unfold in the Middle East, I can’t help but think of how both Palestinians (initially, then continuing) and Israelis (later, also continuing) could’ve made different decisions that could’ve avoided this. If Arafat hadn’t rejected Clinton’s offer and launched the Second Intifada…if Israel had never elected Bibi Netanyahu in the first place…and so much more. 

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Just from keeping an eye on Wikipedia’s news I can tell that Bibi and the Unity Government are badly losing the information war. They should take direction from the Ukrainians if they have any competence left. Assuming they can stop shooting themselves in the d!ck, which I doubt they can.

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As yet another tragedy continues to unfold in the Middle East, I can’t help but think of how both Palestinians (initially, then continuing) and Israelis (later, also continuing) could’ve made different decisions that could’ve avoided this. If Arafat hadn’t rejected Clinton’s offer and launched the Second Intifada…if Israel had never elected Bibi Netanyahu in the first place…and so much more. 

And don't forget if rabin hadn't been killed

That’s one of the huge ones, yes 

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As yet another tragedy continues to unfold in the Middle East, I can’t help but think of how both Palestinians (initially, then continuing) and Israelis (later, also continuing) could’ve made different decisions that could’ve avoided this. If Arafat hadn’t rejected Clinton’s offer and launched the Second Intifada…if Israel had never elected Bibi Netanyahu in the first place…and so much more. 

And don't forget if rabin hadn't been killed

That’s one of the huge ones, yes 

They always talk about how you can't let the terrorists win, but it's pretty clear that the terrorist Yigal Amir won.

At the time, I thought it was a troubling potential sign for the future in Israel. An understatement by several orders of magnitude.

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This thread has proven valuable in one way: I sent warnings last night to a couple of Gazans I follow on Twitter/X - they all feed and help stray cats, btw - to grab the cats, their families, and themselves and to take shelter - well one account is now run by the son of the original person because he died in an airstrike - because thanks to this thread I could tell the Israeli invasion was imminent. I despise Hamas and fully agree that Israel has the right and duty to go after them, but I am under no delusions about what a Bibi-led government is going to do, especially if Bibi thinks it will keep himself out of prison.

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A Pope's speech that inspired a war against the "Moslems" of Palestine and Syria which was written 928 years ago.

"They have occupied more and more of the lands of those Christians, and have overcome them in seven battles. They have killed and captured many, and have destroyed the churches and devastated the empire. If you permit them to continue thus for awhile with impurity, the faithful of God will be much more widely attacked by them. On this account I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ's heralds to publish this everywhere and to persuade all people of whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. I say this to those who are present, it meant also for those who are absent. Moreover, Christ commands it.

"All who die by the way, whether by land or by sea, or in battle against the pagans, shall have immediate remission of sins. This I grant them through the power of God with which I am invested. O what a disgrace if such a despised and base race, which worships demons, should conquer a people which has the faith of omnipotent God and is made glorious with the name of Christ! With what reproaches will the Lord overwhelm us if you do not aid those who, with us, profess the Christian religion! Let those who have been accustomed unjustly to wage private warfare against the faithful now go against the infidels and end with victory this war which should have been begun long ago. Let those who for a long time, have been robbers, now become knights. Let those who have been fighting against their brothers and relatives now fight in a proper way against the barbarians. Let those who have been serving as mercenaries for small pay now obtain the eternal reward. Let those who have been wearing themselves out in both body and soul now work for a double honor. Behold! on this side will be the sorrowful and poor, on that, the rich; on this side, the enemies of the Lord, on that, his friends. Let those who go not put off the journey, but rent their lands and collect money for their expenses; and as soon as winter is over and spring comes, let hem eagerly set out on the way with God as their guide."

November 27th 1095 CE,
Pope Urban II


Taking of Jerusalem by the Crusaders, 15th July 1099, Émile Signol, oil on canvas (1847)

Of course, the crusades were great for the Jewish people.

Now, now, many of them got Express Tickets to Heaven! How generous of the Crusaders!

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This thread has proven valuable in one way: I sent warnings last night to a couple of Gazans I follow on Twitter/X - they all feed and help stray cats, btw - to grab the cats, their families, and themselves and to take shelter - well one account is now run by the son of the original person because he died in an airstrike - because thanks to this thread I could tell the Israeli invasion was imminent. I despise Hamas and fully agree that Israel has the right and duty to go after them, but I am under no delusions about what a Bibi-led government is going to do, especially if Bibi thinks it will keep himself out of prison.

A common MENA practice and major W of Islamic culture.

Agreed. And a total contrast to the horrors emerging out of China. 

I wish the Islamic World would launch a jihad against China, but my hopes are extremely low for that…

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The USMC publicly distancing itself from this is an absolutely horrific omen. I would say that we're about to see very bad things here, but it looks like we won't be allowed to see them. Again--total blackout.
https://twitter.com/JM_Szuba/status/1718059754172330057?s=20

It appears Bibi has decided to save his political hide with rivers of blood. Y’know, as usual. Rejecting American attempts at restraint, common decency, and common sense. Maybe his good buddy Vlad will help-hahahahahaha, wait, nope not happening.

My stance is very different than Snowstalker’s, but loathing Bibi and his government (minus that Gantz guy) is something everyone can agree on, I think.

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Welp it’s started 😔

Did they announce a full-bore invasion (as opposed to the slow-rolling incursions of the past day or two) or did you just log on/check the news for the first time today? I'm at work and haven't checked any of the major news sites or liveblogs in a few hours.

https://twitter.com/flash_news_ua/status/1718337300067676462?s=12

I’m glad I got my warnings out. It’s not much, but it’s more than nothing. 

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Two points of potential interest:

Tucked away in recent news, at the U.N. General Assembly there were two votes over the situation and now the U.S. and Israel’s few remaining allies have shifted to Brazil’s previous position, while many countries have shifted to a more condemnatory stance. The Israeli government is bleeding support and sympathy. But Bibi will kill as many Palestinians (and Israelis) as necessary to buttress his political position.

My brother and I were at a local gun shop getting ammunition for the guns we inherited from our late father. While there we heard two of the clerks arguing over Israel/Palestine, one on each side. While both made valid points, the interesting bit is that even in gun nut land opinions are divided.


Another sign of Israel bleeding support is that my best friend, a 25-year-old transwoman, mentioned that she no longer supports Israel. She is in no way in ‘woke’ country and is not a hard leftist.

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There are, in fact, several things Biden could do:

* He could impose a no-fly zone and obliterate the Israeli Airforce

Huh?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CybLhohSTqf/

That is like a Nazi sympathiser asking the USA and Great Britain to start fighting each other on the day of the Normandy invasion in WW2.

At this stage, a more viable option is for President Biden to withdraw funding of $1 Billion annually to Egypt until they open the Rafah border and start taking Gazan refugees.

Rinse and repeat with Jordan.

At that stage, would you be surprised to learn of any potential links between Egypt and Hamas?

Jordan has absorbed so many refugees over the past 75 years (not merely Palestinians but, in more recent years, Iraqis and Syrians) that the number of refugees and their descendants vastly outstrips the "indigenous" population.

“Why don’t you just make Jordan the Palestinian state?”

Hashemite monarchy: —….—

Ironically, this is the same sort of flippant unconcern with how deeply traumatizing population movements can be that you see with people who insist that the Allies should have made the Zionists set up their state in Uganda or wherever.

A massive forced population transfer of Armenians out of Azerbaijan occurred earlier this year and the international community more or less ignored it.

The only two countries with the ability and the will to have stopped it are Russia and Iran, and they’d rather slaughter Ukrainians. Everyone else is either not interested (Turkey) or too far away (everyone else).

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Netanyahu again blamed the 10/7 attack on his generals. Had to delete the tweet in embarrassment/shame. At least Chamberlain had the patriotic balls to resign when his credibility evaporated lol

Netanyahu is a very stable genius.

Honestly, the only thing Netanyahu could do now to save the remnant of his reputation is to commit suicide and leave a letter where he apologized to the victims of the Hamas attack and to the people of Israel, and simply ended it with "I thought I did the right thing to protect Israel and the Israeli people.

We’re in the bad timeline, so this piece of sh!t will do nothing of the sort.

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Bibi don’t care. No number of Palestinian dead is too much if he thinks he can squirm out of responsibility for SO MUCH of this nightmare. For that matter, no number of Israeli dead is too much if they’re the types of people who aren’t likely to vote for him (like IDF soldiers). An utterly vile individual leading an almost utterly vile coalition. Not surprising that he’s squandered so much of the international goodwill Israel had following Hamas’ barbarism.

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Whatever you say, Chetnik. 

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Whatever you say, Chetnik. 

Who the hell are you?

A much, much, much, better person than you.