Mideast Assembly Thread

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

   Aye

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Although I would have wished for the veto to be overridden, I think it's time to move on to other questions. I feel strongly for this bill, but we've been discussing it for almost half this term now, and I think it might be time to give way for other proposals.

I might bring this up again some other time, as I believe the citizens of the Mideast would benefit greatly from a Freedom to Roam law, but as it is now, there are other questions that need to be discussed and debated, and since my proposal fails to attract support from the Governor, the Speaker, and much of the population of this region, I see no reason to occupy the Assembly with this for any more weeks.

     

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

May I take this as no objeciton to proceeding to vote?

Yes

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The Mideast Equal Rights Under the Law for All Act.

"All Mideastern statutes and regulations which prohibit discrimination or disparate treatment under the law on the basis of, or guarantee legal rights or privileges regardless of, a subject's race, national origin, religion, or gender, shall henceforth be amended to include "sexual orientation" as a similarly illegal basis of discrimination or denial of legal rights."

  Aye

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

I oppose the bill that Peter proposed, and urge the Governor to veto it in the event that it passes.

I'm very intrested to hear your argument as to why this is so horrible?

I will most likely support this bill. As I see it, the most effective way we can bring down unwanted pregnacies and sexual diseases are to make people use condoms and other barrier contraception. If we can bring down the number of unwanted pregnancies, we will also bring down the number of abortions, which I think is vital as I do not think highly of abortion. One of the biggest part to make people, especially teens and young adults, to use protection is to make it more available. Therefore I'm very positive to this legislations. I'd very much like to hear the opposition's point of view before I completely make up my mind though.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Glad to see you taking part in the debate BBF.

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Here in Sweden you can get free condoms in so called youth clinics if you're under the age of 24 or 25 (Can't recall which one). As teens and young adults are the group where sexual transmitted diseases as well as unwanted pregnancies are the biggest problem, and since teens and college students usually doesn't have a lot of money, maybe setting an age limit for how old you are allowed to be to get acess to the free barrier contraception would be an acceptable compromise to ease your worries on this?

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Funny you'd say that, I was actually thinking about proposing a bill that would require Medical Facilities to give people free skin lotion.

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I can actually think of one form of contraception that's more affective than condoms to prevent both sexual diseases and pregnancy that is also free, but unfortunatley lesbian sex can only be used by half the population. And of that half only around 5-10 % are willing to use the method. Gay sex is very effective too against pregnancies, not so much against sexual diseases unfortuantley.

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Fair enough, but it's not like we're forcing people to use a special sort of contraception over another. They can still rely on abstinance if they want, and they can still choose to have sex without any protection and hope for the best. We will just make it easier for people to get hold of protection if they want to use it.

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This is why I said I am not 100 % behind the bill yet, and this was the main argument I was counting on people apposed to the bill would bring forward. It is true that we right now is in need of cutting unnecessary spending not adding more to avoid creating an even bigger deficit than we already have.

However the argument that I will make is that we will end up paying either way. As of the passing of the Atlasian National Healthcare Bill, when teens get sexual transmitted diseases because not using condoms,  our tax money will end up financing their treatment. Especially when it comes to certain heinous diseases like HIV, that means we will have to pay for expensive medicine for the rest of that persons life.

So if we can decrease the number of sexual diseases with this proposal, that might actually help us save money.

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Well I invited you to take active part here in my speech, and I am happy to hear your views on the subject. Only when we see both sides of a coin does we know which way to best attack it.

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(not that I am a candidate for election at any rate).

You're not running for re-election to the Assembly? >:-(

He hasn't announced he is yet. So technically no he isn't. That doesn't mean he won't decide to run before the election.

And Peter is one of this country's most experienced and talanted politicians. He's one of the authors of the current constitution. So it might be he has decided he wants to do something else for a while than the Assembly and don't seek re-election.

I think his point is mainly though that the soon forth-coming election is not effecting his actions in the Assembly, so you probably won't have to worry.



Anyway, it seems most of the Assemblymen share the same oppinion on this legislation.   

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

There has been no substantive debate in 24 hours. A vote is hereby opened.

Oh I totally missed this due to the STV debating.

  Aye

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Thank you Badger, very well said. I am completely behind this bill.

As the son of a dog breeder, who has spent my entire life surrounded by big packs of dogs (My parents, and sister currently own seven together) I am very much aware that most breeds are bred just for the reason to create certain characteristics that the owner find useful. Some dogs are natural hunters, others have basic instics telling them to herde sheep, some will be prone to guarding, and quite a few are suppose be cute and cuddly. This is true.

However the fact that certain breeds have certain talants, does not mean all dogs of that breed will have the same temper or personality. Because just like with humans, it is not our genes who makes us who we are, but the way we were raised and under which circumstances.

Therefore, a dog's behaviour, and wether it turns out to be aggressive or not, has much more to do with its owner than its breed.

I have seen supposebly cute and lovely cocker spaniels turn into horrefying monsters due to bad owners, and I have seen Pitbulls calm and sweet as sheep with the right owner.

Now the reason that some breeds seem to be more agressive has to do with traits. Some breeds have indeed been bred as potential attack dogs in war and battle. Others are meant to be dominating. That is the reason many unexperienced owners who are not well schooled in how to raise a dog, might have more trouble with a pitbull than a dachshund for say. That is however no just cause to punish the owners who very well know what they're doing, and who raise wonderful dogs of the brand pitbull, staffordshire terrier, and American pit bull terrier.

I don't think the goverment should get to decide which kinds of dogs get to live and which get to die. As Big Bad Fab said only a few pages ago:

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[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Indeed, a vote on the bill in my last post is hereby opened.

AYE.

  Aye

And I second Badger's question to True Conservative. I was just about to ask the same thing. 

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

I object to the vote currently taking place.

On what grounds?

Constitutional grounds. The governor is allowed a week to sign or veto.

That is not what we're voting on

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Bump!

Where did people go? This term ends soon, we gotta get things moving.

As soon as Peter has voted on the Dog Bill, I would propose that we have a vote wether to override Inks recent veto or not.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

There has been no further debate.

The vote is to override the veto of the Sexual Health Bill.

  Aye

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

This will be a great loss to Atlasia, and especially this region.

It has been great working with you in the Assembly, and I have learned a lot just by watching you. I wish you the best of luck, and hope that sometime in the future you'll make a come back, to the forum and to Atlasia.

 

 

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I wonder who will be elected as the new speaker.   To follow in the proud footsteps of myself, Franzl, PS, and Peter.

and Inks he was speaker for a whike as well.

Judging by those names, whoever is selected will most likely have a very successful political carer to look forward to.

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I wonder who will be elected as the new speaker.   To follow in the proud footsteps of myself, Franzl, PS, and Peter.

and Inks he was speaker for a whike as well.

Judging by those names, whoever is selected will most likely have a very successful political carer to look forward to.

I don't think Inks ever was.  In fact I don't think he was ever an Assemblyman.

I wasn't here back then so I can't say for sure, but according to the wiki he was a member during the 3rd Assembly, and for a short while after Franzl's promotion, Speaker as well.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

I'm 100% behind a bill honouring Peter.

Maybe we could be inspired by the Midwest and rename the region's capital to Peter's Park instead of College Park.

Also Badger, a pony? In the middle of a huge economic recession? May I suggest we consider the less expensive possibility of a mule

 

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

I'd like to add the following bill in addition to the one proposed by Badger.

State Capital Renaming Act

The City of College Park, Maryland, shall henceforth be known by the name Peter’s Park, Maryland, in honour of the Mideast citizen Peter, former Governor, Speaker of the Assembly, Attorney General, Secretary of Forum Affairs, Chief Justice, Vice President, and co-author of Atlasia’s second constitution.   

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

  Aye

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

*Hugs Peter before he takes off on his pony*

You'll be missed a great deal.

So I gues there's no reason to wait before we get back to work.

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Order, please.

The 8th Mideast Assembly is now in session.

As Dean of the Assembly, it is my duty to arrange the election of a new Speaker. I urge my fellow assemblymen to swear in as soon as possible, and submit your nominations for Speaker.

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*cough*

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

As he may now be considered as an experienced assemblyman, as I am newly elected in this assembly and doesn't wish to become Speaker and as he coughs in a dignified way,

I hereby nominate Sweedish Cheese to Speaker of this Assembly.

Does my colleague Badger second this nomination ?

Sorry, for the delay. Went away for the weekend.

My only objection to Fab's nomination of SC as Speaker is that he beat me to it. :-)

I second.

Thank you both! It's a great honour to have your trust.

I of course accept the Speakership. I'll make sure this will be one of the most active and productive assemblies in our history, and with such great collegues, how could it not.

 

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I'm still of the oppinion that it's not a Freedom to Roam law unless you actually give people the freedom to roam where they please. As I see it this bill is just a fancy way to keep the statues quo. Landowners already have the right to open their lands to the public if they want to, just as they can close them. This bill will technically change nothing.

I think we should either do a proper Freedom to Roam bill, or if that's not what people want, then no Freedom to Roam at all.

 

     

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The Mideast Freedom to Roam Where Inks Tells You Bill
1. Anyone shall have the right to access, use, and pass through privately owned land in the Mideast Region except for land that falls under subsections 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9. Such as beaches, forests, and fields, as long as they do not damage or disturb the area in any way.   
2. It shall be legal to camp on private land for a maximum of 48 hours, as long as campers do not in any form damage or disturb the area, and leave the place in the same condition as they found it.
3. Activities that require usage of the area's resources, such as hunting, fishing, berry and mushroom picking, may not be practiced without the landowner's clear consent.   
4. The direct radiuses of 250 m around residential buildings are considered gardens and yards, and are therefore excluded from this bill.
5. Privately owned land that does not exceed the size of 400 acres is excluded from this bill. 
6. Nature reserves and other areas with delicate and sensitive ecosystems are excluded from this bill.
7. Fields where crops are being grown are excluded from this bill.
8. Areas where young animals are reared are excluded from this bill.
9. Any land owner can choose to exclude his land from being made accessible to the public by notifying the Mideast Department of Natural Resources. In order for a land owner to close his land to the public, some form of clear and legible signage must be posted on said property.
 10. During hunts, landowners have the right to dismiss visitors from the hunting ground.
11. If a person, who is practicing their Freedom to Roam, damages or disturbs the area by polluting, vandalising, or ruining the surroundings, they may be subject to a fine of up to $500 as well as paying additional damages to the landowner.   
12. If a person, who is practicing their Freedom to Roam, chooses to illegally engage in activities such as hunting, fishing, berry and mushroom picking may be subject for a fine of up to $500 as well as paying additional damages to the landowner.
13. (a) If a landowner, without reason, tries to dismiss or chase away people from his or her land, he or she may be subject for a fine of up to $250.
(b) If a landowner who wrongfully posts signs or other warnings against trespass without having first filed an opt out notice pursuant to Section 9 above is subject to up to a $250 fine on a first offense. For any repeat violation within five years of a prior conviction  is punishable by up to a $500 fine and/or 30 days incarceration.
14. (a) Owners of private property covered by this law may close their land from Freedom to Roam; however, written notice of the beginning and end dates of any closure period must be received in writing by the local police authority at least 24 hours before any signage or other notice of closure is posted on the property.
(b) Posting public notice. All public posting, notice or signage of property closure must include the beginning and end dates of said closure legibly written.
(c) Violation of these provisions is punishable by up to a $250 fine on a first offense. For any repeat violation within five years of a prior conviction  is punishable by up to a $500 fine and/or 30 days incarceration.
15. (a) Any transfer of ownership or title of a qualifying property will cause any opt out notice previously filed with the Mideast Department of Natural Resources pursuant to Section 9 of this statute to be canceled 30 days after the day of transfer of title or ownership.
(b) Paragraph 15 (a) will not be construed to prohibit the new property owner from filing a new opt out notice for the property with the Department at any time during or after said 30 day period.

Since there has been no further debate on this bill. I herby open the vote.