Mideast Assembly Thread

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Order!

As Dean of the Assembly I declare the 9th Mideast Assembly in session. I urge my fellow assemblymen to swear in so that we can begin the process of electing a Speaker. Your nominations for the position are welcome.

 

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Yeah this is basicly what I'm waiting for to happen, Gio seems to have gone missing. It's been almost a week now. I tried to send him a PM but it didn't work. It's all very strange.

Anyway I guess we cannot wait for him forever.


Since there has been no other nominations, I accept Badger's and Big Bad Fab's renomination of as Speaker.


- As for the bill currently under debate, I disagree that it is necessary. I think there are great advantages in having the office being non-permanent, and will not vote to have it changed.

- First, how many cases have there been this last year exactly before this? Very few! In fact since the Constitution was changed back in February, this recent case is the first one.

Now in Atlasia, although activity has gone up a lot the last months, we still have trouble filling a few offices, basicly because there too many and they have no actual funtion. Mideast Surperior Court Judge is such an office, 50 weeks out of 52. Very few would be willing to accpet that job.

- I know that people here are saying that this position won't be hard to fill, because we have Peter. Are you guys really sure about that? Have you asked him? Because I'm pretty sure that Peter decided he was going to retire from Atlasian politics (I know cause we gave him a pony ) and it is one thing to accept a temporary position, but are you really sure he'd be willing to make a long term comitment?

And if not Peter, who with the right legal experience would be willing to settle for this office permanently? I can think of no one.

- One issue Badger points out is that we'd have much quicker decissions if we had a permanent judge. I disagree. Sure sometimes it might go quicker, but what happens when Peterthe Superior Court Judge is out of town, has a lot of work, or is otherwise occupied in the real world? I'm sure most people here know that the Federal Surpreme Court can take quit a while to actually come to work, since they also have real world responsibilities. With the system we have now on the other hand, the Governor can appiont someone he knows for sure has time for the case.

- Another point Badger makes is that with a permanent judge we wouldn't have to worry about bickering and attacks as soon as a case is filed about wether a certain candidate is biased to one of the sides. (As unfortunatley hapened this time) But let's say we do get a case, where Peter the permanent judge clearly has a bias to one of the sides from the beginning. Then we can't stop and say, hay wait a minute, maybe this person is not the best judge for this case. But if the position is non-permanent the Governor and the Assembly together can both make sure that the case is judged by an un-biased third part.

- The arguments in favour keeping this system I believe outnumbers the arguments opposing it. As we saw in this recent case, our current system works perfectly fine, and even though we didn't have three judges nor a single permanent one, the judge temporarely appointed by the Governor and approved by the Assembly, was able to make fair, unbiased and very professional  decisson. So I fail to see why, there is such a great need to go back to the old way.       

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Well considering that this is a question of regional law, not federal, it isn't really in the Surpreme Court's hands as the Governor said, so I think Officepark can make himself pretty comfertable here, as I doubt he's going anywhere soon.

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Giovanni's disappearance may be explained by this.

Aha so that is what happened.

As always Peter, it's good to have you around to help us sort things out

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Still no news from Giovanni ?

I've tried to find something on elected Assemblymen who don't take the oath, but found nothing.

It should simply be viewed as an absence, shouldn't it ?
Aren't we able to keep on working ?
Provided the bills gather 3 votes in favour, I think, there is no problem in this.
If Giovanni had already taken the oath but had disappeared, it would have been the same problem, but we would have proceeded.

The point here is that, because it seems to be forced on him and it seems he is not at all responsible, we or the Governor of course can't expell him or certify he resigns, sort of (anyway, there is no rule on this... !).
So, I think we must stick to a 3-vote majority, to be legally sure and sound.

An interesting case, except that we are stalled...
And a session of ONLY 2 months...

As long as Gio doesn't swear in the seat is counted as vacant, and the Assembly's work can continue without him. I'm just waiting for the debate to end before I can open a vote. (Unless anyone makes a new reply on the subject that would be tomorrow morning Central European Time)

Back when I and Officepark was first appointed to the Assembly by Inks, Peter was the only actual member for a while, so as he pointed out to Inks, he could technically have introduced legislation, passed it, and overridden any veto by himself.

And I agree that since it isn't Gio's fault we need to give him more time to figure out a solution to his problem before we start considering expelling.   

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Since there has been no further debate for 24 hours, I move to a vote on the following proposal:

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Just a thought?  Shouldnt the amendment be worded with "recall" not "impeachment," since impeachment is never mentioned in the constitution, only recalls are?  Furthermore, impeachment implies legal wrongdoing.  Recall doesn't.

Inks I appreciate that you read through the bills and point out the mistakes you find in them, especially when it comes to mistake in wording and language since a respectable portion of the assembly has a native language that isn't English... but WHY do you always do it after the vote has already started?

 

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Just a thought?  Shouldnt the amendment be worded with "recall" not "impeachment," since impeachment is never mentioned in the constitution, only recalls are?  Furthermore, impeachment implies legal wrongdoing.  Recall doesn't.

Inks I appreciate that you read through the bills and point out the mistakes you find in them, especially when it comes to mistake in wording and language since a respectable portion of the assembly has a native language that isn't English... but WHY do you always do it after the vote has already started?

 

The better question is, why do you have to open voting on bills on days that I'm in Detroit watching Central Michigan win the MAC championship? 

Hmm that is a fair question I guess

Good for you  that your team won Mr Governor.

I'd like to hear what my fellow Assemblymen says before I make decission wether to stop the vote on this bill or not.

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Oh sorry guys. This just slipped from my attention. Voting for the amended version is herby opened.


BBF I'm really sorry to see you go. You've been a great Assemblyman, and in your time here you've done a lot for the Mideast as a legislator.



 

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Oh sorry guys. This just slipped from my attention. Voting for the amended version is herby opened.


BBF I'm really sorry to see you go. You've been a great Assemblyman, and in your time here you've done a lot for the Mideast as a legislator.



 

Aye 

Can he vote, since he wasn't here when the voting was opened?  Just curious about that.

I believe he can as the voting had not closed.

I'll see what I can do about Gio's e-mail.

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  Nay


The amendment pass. Inks you know what to do.
 

Guys I'm sorry that I've been slightly unactive here the last week, due to doing other things. It'll get better once Christmas break starts next week. Hopefully by then we will have a complete Assembly, with Gio being back and Inks having appointed someone to replace the newly elected Senator, so that we all can pull together and start working properly once more.   

The begining of this session has been rather messy, but I'm sure we can turn it back on track again. 

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I propose the following bill to the Assembly:

Stricter Dog Fighting Policy Bill

Section I: It shall be illegal for any person to attend dog fighting events anywhere the Mideast Region. Anyone who’s caught attending a dog fight will be sentenced to a maximum fine of 600 dollars.
Section II: All fines collected from people breaking this law will be used to sponsor the construction and operation of special dog centres, designed to house and rehabilitate confiscated fight dogs, in co-operation with several animal right’s organisations.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Stricter Dog Fighting Policy Bill

Section I: It shall be illegal for any person to attend dog fighting events anywhere the Mideast Region. Anyone who’s caught attending a dog fight will be sentenced to a maximum fine of 600 dollars.
Section II: All fines collected from people breaking this law will be used to sponsor the construction and operation of special dog centres, designed to house and rehabilitate confiscated fight dogs, in co-operation with several animal right’s organisations.

Since there has been no further debate on this bill for over 24 hours, I call for a vote.

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  Aye on the Stricter Dog Fighting Policy Bill


The bill pass, and is given to the Governor for his signature or veto.

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Mideast Assembly Noticeboard Act

1. Effective January 1, 2010, there shall be a thread, titled “Mideast Assembly Noticeboard”, in the board Atlas Fantasy Elections.
2. It shall be the responsibility of the Speaker of the Assembly to maintain this thread and keep it up to date.
3. This thread shall be modeled after the Senate Noticeboards in the board Atlas Fantasy Government. It shall include a list of bills currently under debate, including the status of all such bills, a list of bills in the queue, as well as lists showing passed and rejected legislation.
4. All proposed legislation shall be submitted in the Mideast Assembly Noticeboard.

Since there has been no debate on this bill for the last 24 hours, I move to a vote.


Guys, when this bill is dealt with, may I suggest a recess until after Christmas. I think most of us will be busy and have little time for the forum in coming days.

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  Abstain


The bill fails.

So shall we recess from 23rd December to 2 January? I won't be here 23-26 and Josh not 28-2, so we probably won't have a full Assembly during that period anyway.

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Yeah, sorry we should get back to buisness.

Cricket chirp.  Cricket chirp.

Point taken.

So anyone has any bills ready to present?

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Although I dislike trolls as much as any other serious poster in Atlasia, I'm very sceptical to this law, or any law that regulates the voters' free choice. I trust the citizens of this region to be wise enough not to vote trolls into offices, unless they have very good reasons to do so.

Besides, since the individuals on the troll list are not allowed to even campaign, I don't see the need for this law either.

As for removing their voting rights, I believe that should be left up to the HAEV.
     

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I propose an amendment to the bill:

5: Any person removed from the Troll List shall have their voting privileges reinstated.

I move to a vote on the following amendment.

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  Aye


The amendment passes and is added to the bill.

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I've decided to re-submit this as an Amendment:

Mideast Anti-Troll Amendment

1.   All people on the “Troll List” shall be barred from holding office in the Mideast Region and voting in the Mideast Region.
2.   The “Troll List” shall be defined as the list kept by the Moderators on the main Atlas Fantasy Board until the title, “Troll List.”
3.   This law shall not apply to people posted on the “Troll List” at the time of the signing of this legislation.
4.   Any person removed from the Troll List shall have their voting privileges reinstated.

Since there has been no debate on this amendment for the last 24 hours, I now move to a vote.

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  Nay


The amendment fails.

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Alright, let's get to work!

Actually I have to adjourn the old Assembly first, and the the Dean (True Conservative) has to open it and arrange for the election of a Speaker. But I like your anthusiasm


Anyway, I herby declare the 9th Assembly adjourned Sine Die.

Best of luck guys. I'm looking forward to seeing what legislation you'll come up with.

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*Cough* *cough*

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The AYEs are 5, and the NAYs are 0.

The AYEs have it.  The Amendment has been passed by the Assembly and is now moved to be ratified by the people of the Mideast.

I'll get a vote up on Thursday.