Mideast Assembly Thread

[Purple State]

The Assembly is not in session.

Missed the logic on the January 6 return date. I guess someone is away?

Hopefully it won't take too long for everyone to get back into the swing of things after the holidays.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

The Assembly is not in session.

Missed the logic on the January 6 return date. I guess someone is away?

Hopefully it won't take too long for everyone to get back into the swing of things after the holidays.

I thought it was the 3rd - that's what ben's post said.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

The vote was to recess until January 2; I thought we would be returning on the 3rd.

So shall we recess from 23rd December to 2 January? I won't be here 23-26 and Josh not 28-2, so we probably won't have a full Assembly during that period anyway.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Yeah, sorry we should get back to buisness.

Cricket chirp.  Cricket chirp.

Point taken.

So anyone has any bills ready to present?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

So anyone has any bills ready to present?

I'm working on a bill, and should have it ready soon.

[Badger]

Forgot to mention as been so busy last few days: Good luck guys and it's been an honor serving in this Chamber. Under Swedish Cheese's leadership I know things you guys can accomplish good things together.

<back to waiting on jury verdict>

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Mideast Anti-Troll Act

1.   All people on the “Troll List” shall be barred from holding office in the Mideast Region and voting in the Mideast Region.
2.   The “Troll List” shall be defined as the list kept by the Moderators on the main Atlas Fantasy Board until the title, “Troll List.”
3.   This law shall not apply to people posted on the “Troll List” at the time of the signing of this legislation.
4.   This legislation shall take effect immediately upon signing.

[Хahar 🤔]

Oh, dear God, no.

[President Mitt]

As I stated in your Office Thread, I oppose this legislation.

[Peter]

Mideast Anti-Troll Act

1.   All people on the “Troll List” shall be barred from holding office in the Mideast Region and voting in the Mideast Region.
2.   The “Troll List” shall be defined as the list kept by the Moderators on the main Atlas Fantasy Board until the title, “Troll List.”
3.   This law shall not apply to people posted on the “Troll List” at the time of the signing of this legislation.
4.   This legislation shall take effect immediately upon signing.

This is getting like Guantanamo - once you were an enemy combatant there was no right of appeal to get you off.

Basically there is no right of appeal to being on the troll list, so once you are on, there is no independent arbiter to get you off it. Any bill like this is going to have a serious due process of Law issue.

[RIP Robert H Bork]

I propose an amendment to the bill:

5: Any person removed from the Troll List shall have their voting privileges reinstated.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

I propose an amendment to the bill:

5: Any person removed from the Troll List shall have their voting privileges reinstated.

I totally support that; I thought it was clear in the legislation, but apparently not.

[President Mitt]

May I ask what is the point of this legislation? I really don't see the merit of depriving people of their rights to vote/hold office merely because a handful of moderators (NO offense to the Mods) have deemed them trolls.

[Rowan]

I'm not a member of this region, but I wholeheartedly support this type of legislation and hope something can be done like this on the national level.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I oppose this bill.  I do not think that the legislature should be regulating office-holding qualifications based on forum conduct.  In real life, we don't ban people from office for conduct unless they break a law, so I don't think we should be banning people from the Mideast unless they break the law.

Furthermore, this legislation is gravely unconstitutional.  If the Assembly wants to to go into effect, it'll have to be reintroduced as an amendment, because I won't sign it and I certainly won't enforce it (even if it passes as an Amendment, I probably wouldn't enforce it and I'd let it go to the Supreme Court, where I think it'd be overturned as being a violation of the Atlasian Constitution).

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Although I dislike trolls as much as any other serious poster in Atlasia, I'm very sceptical to this law, or any law that regulates the voters' free choice. I trust the citizens of this region to be wise enough not to vote trolls into offices, unless they have very good reasons to do so.

Besides, since the individuals on the troll list are not allowed to even campaign, I don't see the need for this law either.

As for removing their voting rights, I believe that should be left up to the HAEV.
     

[Devilman88]

I see no reason to do what this bill says..

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

I propose an amendment to the bill:

5: Any person removed from the Troll List shall have their voting privileges reinstated.

I move to a vote on the following amendment.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

I propose an amendment to the bill:

5: Any person removed from the Troll List shall have their voting privileges reinstated.

I move to a vote on the following amendment.

AYE.

[Devilman88]

I vote aye to the amendment, but will vote nay when the final bill comes up.

[RIP Robert H Bork]

Aye on the amendment.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

  Aye


The amendment passes and is added to the bill.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Can I get clarification on something - is this being proposed as normal legislation or a Constitutional Amendment?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Can I get clarification on something - is this being proposed as normal legislation or a Constitutional Amendment?

I initially proposed it as legislation, but I would happily move it over to a Constitutional Amendment.

[tmthforu94]

If I may...
I disagree with this legislation. If someone on the Troll List can be a great Assemblyman, who are we to stop them? If the person is a loon, than I trust that the people of this region won't elect them to the position. And what if a moderator had a vendetta against a member, and put them on for no good reason? That wouldn't be fair to that member to keep him from holding office or voting.
Though this has a good intent, there isn't one part of it that I can agree with. I urge all members of the Assembly to vote "Nay" on the final vote.