The Atlasian Sentinel

[Vepres]

We can project that RowanBrandon will be elected to the Senate.

That makes this the current make up of the Senate:


Yellow - RPP
Light Blue - DA
Green - JCP

[Vepres]

The Atlasian Sentinel

New GM Very Active, Yet Senators Take Little Notice
By Vepres

When GM Purple State was sworn in, people from all sides of the political spectrum celebrated. For the first time in a long time, Atlasia would have an active GM. Yet, while Purple State has performed admirably thus far, few in the government seem to take any action on the news.

Take, for example, his recent report on the healthcare bill. Not one Senator commented on it despite the fact that it was one of the most important bills signed into law in the past few Senates.

Purple State said this in the news unit:

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Of course, it is election season, and so the focus is on the elections, but let's not lose sight of the fact that the government must respond to the GM news or else the position is useless.

Excuse me, and just what the hell do you call this post from the other day, whistling Dixie?

Obviously if any deputy GM would be needed, it's in the economic sector.

How do the healthcare numbers look?

Well I being a cynical conservative doubt that it would run a surplus, at least initially. Other then that they seem at least somewhat reasonable. It would have a positive effect on wages and employement, and even GDP cause small Businesses will expand as you say so thats correct. It would also lead to the dropping of private Health Care plans and the bankruptcy of many small insurers as you say it does. I would say Good job.

And you wanted to do it for Foriegn policy? Told you . Needs a separate position. Unfortunately most of the "experts" either aren't registered in Atlasia like Beet, Ford, Carl Hayden or have other positions already, Sam Spade. And if you are thinking about me the answer is No way in hell.

Granted it was more about PS's analysis then the Healthcare plan itself but I did comment on the "effects" of the bill as a way of showing where PS had a good analysis, so I was commenting about it indirectly. Am I not considered a Senator?

I was referring to it from a policy stand point. I'll add that you commented on the article.

[Vepres]

Well, two things.

One, it's an election, and usually very little is done legislatively because people are hesitant or simply unwilling to move on important legislation when there's no idea how the make-up of the Senate will end up being, so it's unfair to criticize the Senate now over activity.

Secondly, I would happily take more notice of the goings-on around here if my last few days hadn't been a stressful disaster. I promise to take more notice when I'm not dealing with house burnings.

I wasn't critiquing anybody specific, and I did note that it was election season.

Your real life crisis absolutely means that you have a good reason to not comment. I am just trying to making sure that Purple State's effort isn't wasted.

@ NCYankee: I added that you commented on the health care article in the my article.

[Vepres]

The Atlasian Sentinel

New GM Very Active, Yet Senators Take Little Notice
By Vepres

When GM Purple State was sworn in, people from all sides of the political spectrum celebrated. For the first time in a long time, Atlasia would have an active GM. Yet, while Purple State has performed admirably thus far, few in the government seem to take any action on the news.

Take, for example, his recent report on the healthcare bill. Not one Senator commented on it despite the fact that it was one of the most important bills signed into law in the past few Senates.

Purple State said this in the news unit:

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Of course, it is election season, and so the focus is on the elections, but let's not lose sight of the fact that the government must respond to the GM news or else the position is useless.

Excuse me, and just what the hell do you call this post from the other day, whistling Dixie?

Obviously if any deputy GM would be needed, it's in the economic sector.

How do the healthcare numbers look?

Well I being a cynical conservative doubt that it would run a surplus, at least initially. Other then that they seem at least somewhat reasonable. It would have a positive effect on wages and employement, and even GDP cause small Businesses will expand as you say so thats correct. It would also lead to the dropping of private Health Care plans and the bankruptcy of many small insurers as you say it does. I would say Good job.

And you wanted to do it for Foriegn policy? Told you . Needs a separate position. Unfortunately most of the "experts" either aren't registered in Atlasia like Beet, Ford, Carl Hayden or have other positions already, Sam Spade. And if you are thinking about me the answer is No way in hell.

Granted it was more about PS's analysis then the Healthcare plan itself but I did comment on the "effects" of the bill as a way of showing where PS had a good analysis, so I was commenting about it indirectly. Am I not considered a Senator?

That comment you posted from PS was in response to a request for economic data from me? What he has given so far while important is too broad and too disconected from underlying factors to tell us where to go? I asked for Libor-OIS spread to see if Credit markets where tightening, and maybe the need for a direct loans to consumers and Businesses as a response, PS refused sighting he didn;t now what it is.

I then today asked for data on Consumer and Factory orders and he refuses, saying we aren't responding. I am responding god damnit, I can't introduce legislation without more specific details about the real prime economic movers like Factory orders, Consumer data, Housing and Exports. The stock market and even Unemployement is basically meaningless in addressing matters of policy. Clearly Purple State has a very limited knowledge of economics and if he is unwilling or unable to expand his knowledge on the subject I am afraid he will end up like the last two GM's, a mistake of an appointment. I wish we could have have two GM's let PS handle foriegn sh**t and give the other one to Sam Spade or somone who know economics handle the economy.

Bumping cause I added a furher response to the rest of a very pro-PS article.

I have a subconscious bias towards Purple State, isn't that obvious
He is to me as Obama is to Chris Matthews, if you will

He does have his flaws though, and I will make sure to bring them up in future articles. The point of the article was to remind Senators that they have a part in making the GM position useful.

[Vepres]

The Atlasian Sentinel

New GM Very Active, Yet Senators Take Little Notice
By Vepres

When GM Purple State was sworn in, people from all sides of the political spectrum celebrated. For the first time in a long time, Atlasia would have an active GM. Yet, while Purple State has performed admirably thus far, few in the government seem to take any action on the news.

Take, for example, his recent report on the healthcare bill. Not one Senator commented on it despite the fact that it was one of the most important bills signed into law in the past few Senates.

Purple State said this in the news unit:

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Of course, it is election season, and so the focus is on the elections, but let's not lose sight of the fact that the government must respond to the GM news or else the position is useless.

Excuse me, and just what the hell do you call this post from the other day, whistling Dixie?

Obviously if any deputy GM would be needed, it's in the economic sector.

How do the healthcare numbers look?

Well I being a cynical conservative doubt that it would run a surplus, at least initially. Other then that they seem at least somewhat reasonable. It would have a positive effect on wages and employement, and even GDP cause small Businesses will expand as you say so thats correct. It would also lead to the dropping of private Health Care plans and the bankruptcy of many small insurers as you say it does. I would say Good job.

And you wanted to do it for Foriegn policy? Told you . Needs a separate position. Unfortunately most of the "experts" either aren't registered in Atlasia like Beet, Ford, Carl Hayden or have other positions already, Sam Spade. And if you are thinking about me the answer is No way in hell.

Granted it was more about PS's analysis then the Healthcare plan itself but I did comment on the "effects" of the bill as a way of showing where PS had a good analysis, so I was commenting about it indirectly. Am I not considered a Senator?

That comment you posted from PS was in response to a request for economic data from me? What he has given so far while important is too broad and too disconected from underlying factors to tell us where to go? I asked for Libor-OIS spread to see if Credit markets where tightening, and maybe the need for a direct loans to consumers and Businesses as a response, PS refused sighting he didn;t now what it is.

I then today asked for data on Consumer and Factory orders and he refuses, saying we aren't responding. I am responding god damnit, I can't introduce legislation without more specific details about the real prime economic movers like Factory orders, Consumer data, Housing and Exports. The stock market and even Unemployement is basically meaningless in addressing matters of policy. Clearly Purple State has a very limited knowledge of economics and if he is unwilling or unable to expand his knowledge on the subject I am afraid he will end up like the last two GM's, a mistake of an appointment. I wish we could have have two GM's let PS handle foriegn sh**t and give the other one to Sam Spade or somone who know economics handle the economy.

Bumping cause I added a furher response to the rest of a very pro-PS article.

I have a subconscious bias towards Purple State, isn't that obvious
He is to me as Obama is to Chris Matthews, if you will

He does have his flaws though, and I will make sure to bring them up in future articles. The point of the article was to remind Senators that they have a part in making the GM position useful.

Its like a fruit seller has apples and oranges. I come by to pick up my orange and he bites my head off cause I don't buy the apple two, and no one else has bought it yet. I right now don't need an apple and just want the orange and get very pissed and threatened to tell his boss and have him fired.

I need more specific info before I can craft my legislation. I was planning on introducing a program to offer a few billion in Gov't loans, but I wanted to see the Libor-OIS spread to see if it was worth the expense.

PS tells me he doesn't know what the Libor-OIS spread is.

The Fruit seller tells me he doesn't know what an avacodo is when I ask for one

I then ask for Consumer data, Factory orders, and Housing numbers.

I asked the fruit Seller for the orange.

He then attacks me and the whole SEnate for not responding to his crusade against Chavez

The fruit Seller then gets pissed cause I don't just buy the apple he just put on the Shelf.

I then threatened to have him Impeached

I threatened the Fruit guy with telling his boss and getting him fired.

Interesting analogy I must say. Like I said, in the future I will be more even sided. It's just I get a tingle up my leg every time he speaks

[Vepres]

We can project that RowanBrandon will be elected to the Senate.

That makes this the current make up of the Senate:


Yellow - RPP
Light Blue - DA
Green - JCP

Four RPPers ?!?

Saddening results...

Probably 5, in fact. Nothing surprising of course, the Big Khaki Machine has turned out massively and their preference flows are tightly controlled by the machine.

However, the recent records show that a magnificent STV election for one party is followed by a rout/mini-disaster/bad showing in the next STV election...

Well, generally if one party does very well in a congressional election (in both Atlasia and real life) they usually lose seats in the next few elections because they peaked their support.

[Vepres]

We can now project that Fritz will be reelected.

That makes this the current make up of the Senate:


Yellow - RPP
Light Blue - DA
Green - JCP

[Vepres]

lol, How do you come to that projection? Fritz and I have an identical number of votes. How am I in doubt but he's not?

I'm not trying to suggest my election is a sure-win, I'm just saying that seems odd.

Well, Angry Weasel's vote was invalidated(didn't notice that). I was very close to calling a victory for you, but Fritz seems to have more support outside the JCP. Trust me, literally one more first preference for you and you have it.

[Vepres]

lol, How do you come to that projection? Fritz and I have an identical number of votes. How am I in doubt but he's not?

I'm not trying to suggest my election is a sure-win, I'm just saying that seems odd.

Well, Angry Weasel's vote was invalidated(didn't notice that). I was very close to calling a victory for you, but Fritz seems to have more support outside the JCP. Trust me, literally one more first preference for you and you have it.

Fair enough, that he does.

I have very little doubt you'll win reelection, but you can never be too careful. Don't want another "Gore wins Florida" now do we?

[Vepres]

Well, it looks that we will save ouselves from the debacle. The DA will probably be the most hurt by these results.

Yeah, we don't have enough zombies.

Also, according to Fritz's tracker, it seems that Rowanbrandon will be the only RPPer elected, so that DA could keep its two seats. Therefore, the change is not as dramatic as expected.

There is a long way to go. As of last count that is true, but afleitch received a bunch of votes last night and I believe the quota has also increased, meaning all the current counts are incorrect. There is also the questions of the LNF votes.

This will likely come down to Earl's totals, as there is also confusion on exactly how to divide the votes.

There will be a half dozen or so RPP voters today (IIRC), so SPC or Duke could get in.

[Vepres]

*I should've said this earlier, but these are based on Fritz's/Peter's count, and thus there may be errors if Earl's count is different.

We can now project that Marokai will win another term.

That makes this the current makeup of the Senate:


Yellow - RPP
Light Blue - DA
Green - JCP

[Vepres]

Rowan
Marokai
Fritz
Franzl
SPC
afleitch
Duke
Jas

Franzl, afleitch, and SPC have essentially the same odds in my opinion.

[Vepres]

We can project that afleitch will win reelection.

This is the current Senate:


Yellow - RPP
Light Blue - DA
Green - JCP

[Vepres]

We can now project that Franzl will win reelection.

This is the makeup of the next Senate (unless Earl has a different count):


Yellow - RPP
Light Blue - DA
Green - JCP

[Vepres]

I to write an analysis tomorrow.

[Vepres]

I plan on having a detailed analysis of the election out tonight or tomorrow.

[Vepres]

Well I don't think the JCPers are "people that stay", at least with newbies they may decide to get interested. And I signed up for the forum in April after following for months and only made like 12 posts until July. Once I got started here I got more active. I think that model can and will be replicated. New RPPers are certainly active across the forum regardless, so I think if you do want to attack them, you must be fair and attack the JCP voters that don't come to this board.

I'm not attacking the new members you bring in. I'm attacking the tactics you use, tactics that the JCP does not use. The JCP doesn't bring in newbies and instruct them to vote how they want.

You prove my point. You came and stayed because you were actively interested, not because you were asked to come and vote a certain way.

Yes but if I hadn't PMed him about Atlasia, would he have still came, maybe, maybe not. As I told Marokai last night I never would have joined Atlasia if PiT hadn't PMed me about it back in late November/Early December. Lately I find myself wishing I just deleted the damn thing, I almost did.

There are two questions from all of this: 1) how many worthless recruits are worth one active recruit and 2) can this lead to laxer and laxer standards.

The first question is up for debate, but the second question must be answered yes. Once recruiting begins to dip into outside the forum for votes, it is opening a door that may not close again. I am aware that it was only once or twice that this happened, but it means it could very well happen again now.

Recruiting active members of the forum with 500+ posts is different than recruiting new members that rapidly post to reach the limit and then join here.

As to your last comment, you regret it because of this questioning of new recruits, but BK considers leaving because no one accepts this questioning. Obviously there needs to be a balance. Obviously all parties have their flaws and all members have their weaknesses. It's life boiled down into a "No Accountability Zone" over the internet. Just have to make the best of it.

I like PiT's approach (he recruited me), ask them if they're interested in joining, but never tell them how to vote.

[Vepres]

Well I don't think the JCPers are "people that stay", at least with newbies they may decide to get interested. And I signed up for the forum in April after following for months and only made like 12 posts until July. Once I got started here I got more active. I think that model can and will be replicated. New RPPers are certainly active across the forum regardless, so I think if you do want to attack them, you must be fair and attack the JCP voters that don't come to this board.

I'm not attacking the new members you bring in. I'm attacking the tactics you use, tactics that the JCP does not use. The JCP doesn't bring in newbies and instruct them to vote how they want.

You prove my point. You came and stayed because you were actively interested, not because you were asked to come and vote a certain way.

Yes but if I hadn't PMed him about Atlasia, would he have still came, maybe, maybe not. As I told Marokai last night I never would have joined Atlasia if PiT hadn't PMed me about it back in late November/Early December. Lately I find myself wishing I just deleted the damn thing, I almost did.

There are two questions from all of this: 1) how many worthless recruits are worth one active recruit and 2) can this lead to laxer and laxer standards.

The first question is up for debate, but the second question must be answered yes. Once recruiting begins to dip into outside the forum for votes, it is opening a door that may not close again. I am aware that it was only once or twice that this happened, but it means it could very well happen again now.

Recruiting active members of the forum with 500+ posts is different than recruiting new members that rapidly post to reach the limit and then join here.

As to your last comment, you regret it because of this questioning of new recruits, but BK considers leaving because no one accepts this questioning. Obviously there needs to be a balance. Obviously all parties have their flaws and all members have their weaknesses. It's life boiled down into a "No Accountability Zone" over the internet. Just have to make the best of it.

I like PiT's approach (he recruited me), ask them if they're interested in joining, but never tell them how to vote.

That works, but I also think there needs to be a higher post requirement. Closer to 300 maybe. New members are great for this game (you make a prime example of that), but you should be somewhat familiar with the forum before you jump right in. I'm not sure 50 is high enough and it clearly hasn't worked any better than 15.

I joined with only ~75 posts, but there was that fiasco early on with the Midwest Senate seat.

[Vepres]

The Atlasian Sentinel

Duke Replaces DWTL as RPP Chairman, Sen. Tmthforu94 second Vice-Chair
By Vepres

Right before the August 2009 midterm elections, the RPP was sure it was headed towards a new era of right-wing government. Indeed, they were the only one of the four major parties to run three candidates (RowanBrandon, SPC, AHDuke) in the at-large Senate elections. However, despite an early surge of support for Rowan, SPC and Duke fell short of the quota, thus netting the RPP only one seat.

This was a crushing blow. The party had expected to win two seats, and possibly a third, ushering in the first truly right-wing Senate in a long time. Despite a disappointing election, many were criticizing the RPP for recruiting zombies. Indeed, the RPP had recruited many new members in August, but it wasn't enough get them that second Senate seat.

To make matters worse, Ben Constine, a moderate member of the RPP, left the party for the DA shortly after the election. This was not good news for the party. About four days later, another high profile moderate RPPer, Vepres, left the party for the DA. The RPP leadership had accused him of being an apologist, a political opportunist, which is why Vepres left the party for the more moderate DA.

Many believed that the outspoken RPP chairman, Downwithdaleft, was partially to blame for the parties under performance. Under pressure, and fearing the long term prospects of his party, Downwithdaleft resigned as chair and appointed AHDuke, one of the founders of the party to replace him.

Many are hopeful. Duke has a lower profile, and isn't as aggressive towards the other parties. In his acceptance speech, he said:

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The new chairman's first test will be this October, when the party fields a candidate against President Lief and when it will attempt to hold it's three regional seats and possibly gain another.

[Vepres]

All good in that story. I might write a little rant on the topic later on myself.

I tried to stay unbiased given recent event. I hope I succeeded.

[Vepres]

The Atlasian Sentinel

Two More Leave the RPP
By Vepres

The departure of Midwest Lt. Governor Vepres and Ben Constine from the RPP was a blow to the party, though certainly not a dramatic game changer as both were relatively moderate. Today, however, two members, Senator Tmthforu94 and Senator-elect RowanBrandon, have followed Vepres' and Ben's lead and left the RPP for the DA. PiT briefly joined them, but then decided to stay in the party.

Both Rowan and Tmthforu94 stated that there reason for leaving was the oligarchic rule of a few members. Apparently they didn't feel like they had enough voice and that the party was far to aggressive towards the other side.

The Senate is now made up of 5 DA members, 2 RPP members, and 3 JCP members. Is this a speed bump on the RPP's path, or is it the beginning of the end for the first strong right-wing party in many years? Only time will tell.

[Vepres]

Let me know when someone who isn't a selfish attention whore leaves the party

[Vepres]

Let me know when someone who isn't a selfish attention whore leaves the party

*facepalm*

Do I need to bring up the quote when you just stated your criticism of SPC caused people other than yourself to leave the party?  Hell, even RB said that had nothing to do with it.

I didn't think that in and of itself caused it. It did cause me to leave, and soon after I did, people like Tmthforu were PMing me saying they were thinking of leaving. That statement of mine was poorly phrased, and I was just surprised at all the intraparty conflict it caused which lead to my leaving the party. Now, as for Tmth and Rowan, that didn't cause them to leave obviously. However it, along with Ben's leading, seemed to open the door for others to leave. Would they have left anyway? I don't know.

Everybody phrases things in a bad way every once in a while. Remember Obama's "clinging to guns and religion" comment?

I'm actually incredibly optimistic, we will win the presidential race, its not like the voters that defected are going to be voting for Lief over our candidate

You're probably right

[Vepres]

Yeah the RPP is going down because some guy no one ever heard of said so!  Better book because I think Antonio is one of the most releveant, respected, and knowing of all Atlasians.

Let me know when someone who isn't a selfish attention whore leaves the party (well I guess Ben isn't that but I can see why Ben left)

I know that you use to be an *sshole with anyone who says something you don't agree with or makes something that doesn't pleas you, but all this hatred against those who left ( all are attention whores, of course ! ) make me think you're less optimistic that you want us to believe.

If you want to be really philosophical, everybody is an attention whore to an extent

[Vepres]

I'm not saying to burn bridges, I'm simply saying that it was childish for Vepres to leave the party and then claim he caused others to leave as well.  More childish was RB for using our help to get in and then absconding, and the DA was absurd for welcoming him with open arms

Did you read my explanation, it was a poorly worded statement.

Sigh