Will Joe Biden show up for the debate?

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Like many members of the Trump cult, the OP has been fed the narrative that Biden is senile and barely functional, despite massive amounts of objective evidence to the contrary.  As such, if Biden does perform competently in the debate, they have already pre-decided that he must have been drugged to help him perform, rather than entertain the possibility that they may have been wrong all along.

It’s not a binary, though. Do you really, in your heart of hearts, think Biden is as sharp as he was in 2015?

It need not be dementia. He has a history of brain bleeds. Could’ve easily had a small stroke that was covered up between 2017-2020. Could be doped up on antidepressants after Beau died.

But the man had a certain vigor, a certain sharpness and quickness mentally. This is the guy who wiped the floor with Paul Ryan in 2012. He isn’t the same. It’s not apostasy to believe your own eyes.

If you had been posting here in 2012, you would have been one of the many people talking about how Biden was too old and needed to be dropped from the ticket. It's the same criticism of him year after year, how a few years ago he was great but suddenly he's not anymore

[7,052,770]

Like many members of the Trump cult, the OP has been fed the narrative that Biden is senile and barely functional, despite massive amounts of objective evidence to the contrary.  As such, if Biden does perform competently in the debate, they have already pre-decided that he must have been drugged to help him perform, rather than entertain the possibility that they may have been wrong all along.

It’s not a binary, though. Do you really, in your heart of hearts, think Biden is as sharp as he was in 2015?

It need not be dementia. He has a history of brain bleeds. Could’ve easily had a small stroke that was covered up between 2017-2020. Could be doped up on antidepressants after Beau died.

But the man had a certain vigor, a certain sharpness and quickness mentally. This is the guy who wiped the floor with Paul Ryan in 2012. He isn’t the same. It’s not apostasy to believe your own eyes.

If you had been posting here in 2012, you would have been one of the many people talking about how Biden was too old and needed to be dropped from the ticket. It's the same criticism of him year after year, how a few years ago he was great but suddenly he's not anymore

Actually I watched Biden live on television the night of the debate with Ryan, whom I thought was a creep and a sociopath, and I was incredibly impressed and hoping he would run in 2016. When he didn't run and Hillary did instead, I was greatly disappointed as I felt he could've beaten Trump. Biden is not the same as he was and you cannot blame purely age. Is it dementia? Was it a stroke? Is he hopped upon anti-depressants? I don't know. But he is different. I trust my eyes, I trust my ears.

There is loyalty, and then there is slavish devotion and gaslighting your own self.

Yes, yes, the posters here who said he was having problems back in 2012 and needed to be dropped from the ticket (there were lots of them, just search the archives) all insisted that they thought Biden was fine in 2008/2004/insert whatever year you want, and that their concerns were brand new, even though you can go deeper into the archives and see that actually people were raising those same concerns in 2008, and earlier years. And though this forum didn't exist then obviously, you can look at other sources and see that people were calling Biden a lightweight and mentally not-all-there even back in 1988.

[7,052,770]

Like many members of the Trump cult, the OP has been fed the narrative that Biden is senile and barely functional, despite massive amounts of objective evidence to the contrary.  As such, if Biden does perform competently in the debate, they have already pre-decided that he must have been drugged to help him perform, rather than entertain the possibility that they may have been wrong all along.

It’s not a binary, though. Do you really, in your heart of hearts, think Biden is as sharp as he was in 2015?

It need not be dementia. He has a history of brain bleeds. Could’ve easily had a small stroke that was covered up between 2017-2020. Could be doped up on antidepressants after Beau died.

But the man had a certain vigor, a certain sharpness and quickness mentally. This is the guy who wiped the floor with Paul Ryan in 2012. He isn’t the same. It’s not apostasy to believe your own eyes.

If you had been posting here in 2012, you would have been one of the many people talking about how Biden was too old and needed to be dropped from the ticket. It's the same criticism of him year after year, how a few years ago he was great but suddenly he's not anymore

Actually I watched Biden live on television the night of the debate with Ryan, whom I thought was a creep and a sociopath, and I was incredibly impressed and hoping he would run in 2016. When he didn't run and Hillary did instead, I was greatly disappointed as I felt he could've beaten Trump. Biden is not the same as he was and you cannot blame purely age. Is it dementia? Was it a stroke? Is he hopped upon anti-depressants? I don't know. But he is different. I trust my eyes, I trust my ears.

There is loyalty, and then there is slavish devotion and gaslighting your own self.

Yes, yes, the posters here who said he was having problems back in 2012 and needed to be dropped from the ticket (there were lots of them, just search the archives) all insisted that they thought Biden was fine in 2008/2004/insert whatever year you want, and that their concerns were brand new, even though you can go deeper into the archives and see that actually people were raising those same concerns in 2008, and earlier years. And though this forum didn't exist then obviously, you can look at other sources and see that people were calling Biden a lightweight and mentally not-all-there even back in 1988.

I fail to see the relevance of the opinions of people who posted here in 2012 versus what I have seen and heard from the man myself, with my own eyes and ears. Your argument seems to be because some people felt this way in 2012, that means it is in no way true and he has not changed at all? I fail to see your argument.

I'm not making an "argument" at all. I'm just pointing out that every election, this board and the media at large makes the same boring arguments: "Joe Biden used to be fine, we thought he was great a few years ago, really! But age has finally caught up to him, and he's just too old." We heard it in 2020, 2016, 2012, 2008, and before that it was just that he's stupid. Somehow his debates with Palin and Ryan have been retconned into everyone thinking he was masterful, when at the time, there was a huge contingent of detractors (both Republicans, and Democrats who preferred a different candidate) saying he was a sundowning old man, slipping away.

If (godwilling) he's re-elected, people are going to talk in 2028 about how the sharp Biden of 2024 is gone now. Just watch.