Voter suppresion/"stealing the election" megathread

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/newsdamian/status/1294406176289898497

Feels like only a week ago that the bedwetters were saying that it's a 100% chance the Democrats/public would roll over and allow Trump to steal the election 3 months before it happens.

Amazing what happens when an incompetent authoritarian announces his secret plan on the biggest media platforms

One hurdle at a time, but what happens say 8 years from now when all it requires is President Cotton not to blab his id directly onto Twitter, plus a remotely functioning press office to claim it's all part of "tax dollar saving measures to improve efficiency"? It'd be more than just enough to convince many that it's just "both sids/politcs as usual", and many others from paying attention.

All I'm saying is, after nearly 5 years of Trump literally screaming his evil intent in our faces on a near daily basis, the fact that 40-45% of the voting population will still back him to the nines makes me lose faith in voters ever being smart enough to overcome America's challenges.

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You all freak out at the prospect of mail in votes being tampered with or something, and you also freak out at the suggestion of the election being postponed.

You also all delude yourselves into thinking both scenarios wouldn’t benefit democrats.

Serious question. Are you a bot, or just that deluded?

Just a reminder you are a very racist person, so your opinions on most other subjects should, by association, be taken as presumed foolish.

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https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1298305905143033857

😄 Suck it conservatives! Your fear of the black vote shall be realized!

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https://twitter.com/davidpepper/status/1305887451626471424

Because the judge was a Democrat, the Ohio Republican Party predictably blasted his decision as a partisan Hatchet job. To her Everlasting credit, the REPUBLICAN Chief Justice of the Ohio Supreme Court, Maureen O'Connor, blasted her own party for such a baseless partisan attack on the independence of the Judiciary.

Unsurprisingly, she is age limited from running for re-election, so take this courage with a grain of salt. Nevertheless, good on her.

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https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1306380359647612928

I hope this man rots in prison

New Jersey?!? LOL! He's not even a competent cheater! What does he think this is going to accomplish? Possibly re-elect Jeff Van Drew?

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https://twitter.com/redistrict/status/1308434599832322049

This Beyond sucks

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https://twitter.com/VeraMBergen/status/1310597595799195650

"Inexplicably"

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Tom Tomorrow is such an awful cartoonist.

Heretic!

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https://twitter.com/chiraagbains/status/1311863651117170689

Actually it would be...preclearance just means Bill Barr's DOJ would have to approve it. Gee I wonder what they would do.

But they would have been subject to litigation saying that they did not act in conformance with the law. Big difference.

[Badger]

Texas limits by-mail early voting to:
   (1) Those over 65.
   (2) Those with disabilities.
   (3) Those who are incarcerated (non-felons awaiting trial in jail)
   (4) Those who will be outside the county for the entire early-voting period.

I'm actually way more mad about the 5th Circuit's (and I think at least one other circuit's) ruling on that. Drop boxes are at least debatable but that's a blatant violation of the plain text of the Constitution. The 26th Amendment was worded identically to the 15th Amendment, so it demands the same level of scrutiny that would be given to an explicit whites-only absentee voting law. (Though maybe I shouldn't expect that the court would stop that either.)

Texas has never had "drop boxes". A mail voter could take their ballot to the county clerk on election day, and after showing an ID, could hand deliver it. Most voters, like, mailed their mail ballot.

You'd think that if someone thought that the 26th Amendment was applicable, they would have filed suit in the past 48 years. I'm pretty sure someone would have filed suit against a mail ballot for whites-only before 1913, or a male-only mail (male?) ballot before 1968.

Texas could simply eliminate the dispensation for those over 65. Many elderly have mobility or other disabilities.

Your tirade completely ignores the fundamental equal protection issue of limiting one ballot drop box, however you wish to label it per County weather. County is 169 resident Loving County or. Nearly 5 million populated Harris County.

Surely even a conspiracy theorist who had it on with the most point and laugh absurd Notions during the entire North Carolina 9th District voting fraud - - can understand that this is pure and simple voter suppression designed to minimize Democrats chances to vote in crowded urban areas versus Republicans in smaller counties? Do you even attempt to deny this?

[Badger]

Texas limits by-mail early voting to:
   (1) Those over 65.
   (2) Those with disabilities.
   (3) Those who are incarcerated (non-felons awaiting trial in jail)
   (4) Those who will be outside the county for the entire early-voting period.

I'm actually way more mad about the 5th Circuit's (and I think at least one other circuit's) ruling on that. Drop boxes are at least debatable but that's a blatant violation of the plain text of the Constitution. The 26th Amendment was worded identically to the 15th Amendment, so it demands the same level of scrutiny that would be given to an explicit whites-only absentee voting law. (Though maybe I shouldn't expect that the court would stop that either.)

Texas has never had "drop boxes". A mail voter could take their ballot to the county clerk on election day, and after showing an ID, could hand deliver it. Most voters, like, mailed their mail ballot.

You'd think that if someone thought that the 26th Amendment was applicable, they would have filed suit in the past 48 years. I'm pretty sure someone would have filed suit against a mail ballot for whites-only before 1913, or a male-only mail (male?) ballot before 1968.

Texas could simply eliminate the dispensation for those over 65. Many elderly have mobility or other disabilities.

Perhaps this being the first election in a mass pandemic is a factor, Jim.

And ... Orange Man Bad? Perhaps?

Or maybe the first thing, and you're just being a foolish partisan hack.

[Badger]

Texas limits by-mail early voting to:
   (1) Those over 65.
   (2) Those with disabilities.
   (3) Those who are incarcerated (non-felons awaiting trial in jail)
   (4) Those who will be outside the county for the entire early-voting period.

I'm actually way more mad about the 5th Circuit's (and I think at least one other circuit's) ruling on that. Drop boxes are at least debatable but that's a blatant violation of the plain text of the Constitution. The 26th Amendment was worded identically to the 15th Amendment, so it demands the same level of scrutiny that would be given to an explicit whites-only absentee voting law. (Though maybe I shouldn't expect that the court would stop that either.)

Texas has never had "drop boxes". A mail voter could take their ballot to the county clerk on election day, and after showing an ID, could hand deliver it. Most voters, like, mailed their mail ballot.

You'd think that if someone thought that the 26th Amendment was applicable, they would have filed suit in the past 48 years. I'm pretty sure someone would have filed suit against a mail ballot for whites-only before 1913, or a male-only mail (male?) ballot before 1968.

Texas could simply eliminate the dispensation for those over 65. Many elderly have mobility or other disabilities.

Your tirade completely ignores the fundamental equal protection issue of limiting one ballot drop box, however you wish to label it per County weather. County is 169 resident Loving County or. Nearly 5 million populated Harris County.

Surely even a conspiracy theorist who had it on with the most point and laugh absurd Notions during the entire North Carolina 9th District voting fraud - - can understand that this is pure and simple voter suppression designed to minimize Democrats chances to vote in crowded urban areas versus Republicans in smaller counties? Do you even attempt to deny this?

Mail ballots are intended to be mailed. There are dozens of post offices in Harris County. Or a voter can go to in-person voting, surrender their mail ballot and vote in person.

There is no reason to have more than one location for in-person return of ballots -essentially the same place that you mail your ballots to.

PS You didn't happen to catch the SNAFU about the Pledge of Allegiance at the Bladen County Board of Elections. After the Democrats took control of the board, they decided to drop the Pledge from their agenda. After they voted down adding it back to the agenda, a citizen got up and started reciting the pledge. The Democrats sat their fuming. Another person stormed out of the room giving what appears to be the National Socialist salute to the USA flag.

PPS McCrae Dowless is running for re-election.

Garbage. Pure unadulterated garbage. Even by your profound lack of logic and general inability to engage in critical thinking, this is garbage.

That's the Prelude. Here's the details. Mail-in ballots as you call them do not need to be mailed in. I'm going to be dropping mine off in person at the Board of Elections because I am fortunate enough that it is not terribly far from a location I have to be at multiple times a week for one of my kids sporting events. Your silliness fails to comprehend that the ballot drop-off boxes are being used. This is not a matter of getting rid of them because Jim text decided in his infinite Collective weirdo reasoning that dropping them off in any other way than u.s. mail is somehow required.

 But we do have them, Jim. Which brings back to the same question as to why it is remotely not violative of equal protection, or let's be frank just out-and-out blatant attempt to depress voting in Democratic areas, by giving the same opportunity to a county with 169 residents to one with five and a half million. So you would say that it would be equally fair to have the same number of polling places Per County regardless of population as well?

Don't answer that. A partisan Pro voter suppression hack like yourself absolutely would.

You inartfully dodge the question and instead went on some inane tirade about Bladen County. In terms of Defending Your Position, you have effectively soiled the bed. Go to sleep. Stop posting. Delete your account.

Good day sir!

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/foxnews/status/1317249264020586502

95% duplicates

How does one get issued a duplicate absentee ballot to mail in?

[Badger]

This is exactly what will happen. And there will be very little push back.

He’ll declare early victory and immediately begin trying to disqualify mail-in ballots. The courts will back him.

I've had it with these m*********ing Georgia doomers on this m*********ing forum.

He's actually more right than not. The one big distinction I would make is that there will in fact be an absolute Firestorm of pushback, both in the media chuckling to themselves openly at their desks on every network but Fox, as well as among the substantial majority of Voters who voted for Biden.

And if certain republican-held swing States like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, North Carolina, Florida, Arizona , , Ohio, Texas, and Iowa are close enough for their legislators to declare vote fraud and certify Trump electors instead, and then have  Trump's hand-picked courts basically ran the decision through under some BS argument that the legislators  blatant disregard of  the voters of their state and certifying an alternative group of electors is there statutory and constitutional right and us any challenges are not a justiciable issue, blah blah blah, they will absolutely freaking pull another 1876 theft of the election.

I think this reveals the actual Trump re-election strategy. Get close enough and all these swing states to steal the election and throw it to his hand-picked courts. The only thing saving us from this outcome is the fact that it appears Biden is going to curb stomp Trump at this point. However, it is terrifying that If This Were A close 2016 style election, only with Biden narrowly carrying Pennsylvania Wisconsin and Michigan by a percentage point or less, those state legislatures would probably throw out by the selectors and outright steal the election.

Your daily reminder that Trump supporters are unpatriotic election theft enablers.

[Badger]

This is exactly what will happen. And there will be very little push back.

He’ll declare early victory and immediately begin trying to disqualify mail-in ballots. The courts will back him.

No. He cannot disqualify mail-in ballots; is he going to sue the state and claim there is fraud with mail-in ballots, so therefore they can't count? The courts won't back him up on that unless it's in some ruby-red state with GOP trifectas.

You mean most swing States?

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/nbcsandiego/status/1318348720388378625

"Tennessee law does not allow voters to wear items bearing the name of a candidate or a political party in a polling place."

This is also true in NC. Yet, my parents mentioned seeing people wearing Trump shirts in line when they early voted, who were still allowed to vote. I suppose the rules can be glossed over sometimes?

The story further notes that the law does not prohibit General political statements as opposed to clothing / buttons supporting a particular candidate or party. The campaign worker in question decided that these statements were indicative of explicit support for the Democratic party. Rather stupid as well as snow flaky

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/cucumbereyes/status/1319673310377054208?s=20

The GOP is an evil organization.

Tweet appears to be removed, or otherwise can't be pulled up. What happened now?

[Badger]

https://www.fox44news.com/news/local-news/federal-judge-strikes-down-mask-exemption-for-voters-poll-workers/

Cool. Though I can't imagine many of the mask skeptics won't grumbling put one on at their polling place threshold, then disgustedly throw it to the ground the second they exit, rather than not vote for their hero Patient Zero.

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https://twitter.com/JimDMiller/status/1323360161587777536?s=20

Whatever. Trump has said multiple times that the only way he loses is if there's election fraud to undermine the legitimate results. If the GOP can do it, so can the Dems, especially when they're actually right.

Trump is laying the groundwork for subversion of American democracy. What he has said over the last few days represents, to me, a five alarm fire that requires dramatic pushback from those in power. We need a forceful response from the AG, and frankly other Democrat and Republican leaders. so that he backs down. The more hemming and hawing Trump sees, the bolder he gets.

But certain partisan hacks will absolutely choose fundamental irrevocable damage to America being a free and functioning democracy in order to combat (checks notes) " socialism, antifa, and abortion".

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/JimDMiller/status/1323360161587777536?s=20

And...Shapiro is right?

ok then let's cancel the election since we already know who won, will save a lot of trouble.

Wtf

Shua has been the king of bad takes for well over a year now.

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/willchamberlain/status/1323615834455994373?s=20

Feels misleading. This guy's other tweet shows the dude's cert and tries to claim he can watch any ward, but the cert specifies a certain ward (which is what these folks tell him and is conveniently blacked out).

Go ahead and call the police, the poll worker says. Yes, these people are truly attempting to fly under the radar of Law & Order

Can we ban the Rus bot yet?

[Badger]

These lawsuits are completely pointless. They're just trying to protract the process so they can say "look how many lawsuits we filed!" and create fake doubt. Filing a lawsuit and then asking for it to be dismissed a few days later after it received some news coverage is as frivolous as it gets. Everyone should stop pretending the election result is "disputed" in any serious way.

His strategy is not to win lawsuits, but to convince people that there is a giant election fraud going on.
Republicans don't need to win any court case, as long as the sea of fake news websites/channels continue flooding americans with this conspiracy theory.

- Monday Donald Trump announced on Twitter that he has fired Secretary of Defense Mark Esper

- Yesterday controversial retired Brig. Gen. Anthony Tata has been moved into the Pentagon's top policy role, taking over the duties of James Anderson, who resigned the same day.
Tata is a Trump loyalist who has trafficked in “deep state” conspiracy theories.

- Former administration officials with knowledge of the situation said they expect in the coming days D.Trump to remove CIA Director Gina Haspel from her post
and also mentioned some uncertainty about FBI Director Christopher Wray's future...

All this looks like nothing else but a last minute purge of US security top officials (Defense, pentagon, CIA) right after losing the elections.

All this happening along with :
- a massive communication effort trying to convince americans of a giant fraud.
(phone sms, emails, social networks, conservative TV/medias)
- a majority of republican officials backing Trump in his refusal to concede, Mike Pompeo who even went as far as saying "there would be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration”
- the fact than Federal agencies, have been warned not to cooperate with the transition team of the projected president-elect.
- the omnipresence of right-wing armed groups and right-wing militias everywhere in the country

All this looks worrisome, like a coup attempt in the making, nothing less.
(I'm not not saying it will succeed)

Not the least bit worried. Most of these people would have been out of a job in about two months when Biden comes in anyway, and the Schmucks replacing will only be in for that time frame. Why I'll never underestimate the Trump administration's ability to commit evil and / or incompetence even in such a short time, this is the dying gasp of the vindictiveness and dumpster fire level mismanagement we've come to expect from Trump's Administration.

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I really don't understand certain posters and the media 's hypocrisy.

 What happened in Michigan or more specifically Wayne County where Detroit is is a protest against shoddy election administration.

https://rrhelections.com/index.php/2020/11/18/political-roundup-for-november-18th-2020/

The Wayne County Board of Canvassers has voted to certify the election results after initially voting 2-2 along party lines not to do so. The dispute in question seems to stem from the absolutely atrocious bookkeeping in Detroit, with many precincts having out-of-balance tallies, i.e. having more or less total votes than ballots counted. Avid followers of the 2016 election might remember this being a thing then too, when the out-of-balance tallies were an issue when Jill Stein tried to force a recount. The board agreed to certify the election in exchange for auditing some of Detroit’s most out-of-balance precincts, but not before ripples of “REPUBLICANS ARE COUPING THE ELECTION” flooded across the twitter verse, along with a Trump tweet saluting the (initial) decision, because of course he did.

How can you on one hand argue count every vote and on the other hand argue against this? If total votes are less than ballots cast, you're literally not counting every vote. If total votes are more than ballots cast, then you are nullifying the legal vote of someone else, which means you're not really counting it.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/11/17/wayne-county-canvassers-deadlock-certifying-november-3-election-results/6324274002/

The board's votes came after absentee ballot poll books at 70% of Detroit's 134 absentee counting boards were found to be out of balance without explanation. The mismatches varied anywhere from one to more than four votes.

In August, canvassers found 72% of Detroit's absentee voting precincts didn't match the number of ballots cast. The imbalances between August and November are not an exact comparison since August's canvassing was based on results from 503 precincts and November's canvassing was based on 134 counting boards.

How are 70% of Detroit's absentee counting boards having inaccurate vote counts per the Detroit News possibly acceptable to anyone? Counting votes is pretty much the only job these boards have. I'll be fair, don't attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity, and if they're incompetent at their jobs, they should be fired, and never put in a position regarding election administration ever again. If it's because it's just not possible for them to conduct an election properly and accurately, that's a failure of Wayne County government failing its citizens in their constitutionally required role.

Is it going to change the result of the presidential election in Michigan? No. Is this the correct action to take? Yes. If conducting fair and open elections is the bedrock upon which democracies are based, then the only acceptable standard is 100% accuracy with zero errors in conducting the election and counting votes. It's why I have an immense amount of ridicule for election boards with out-of-date voter rolls, which are everywhere in this country because they don't do good maintenance keeping them up.

Know how I know you don't work in election administration. There is no human system with millions of points of data that could ever achieve 100% perfection absent hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of thousands of workers... and even then, it would still almost certainly have flaws.

When presented with mistakes and errors you FIX THE MISTAKES AND ERRORS, not say "it's wrong, doesn't matter". I'm an engineer and I'm almost required to be 100% correct for the sake of my company and the government who is my customer. Anyone when presented with evidence that something is wrong and does not fix it is in my opinion sufficient grounds for being fired. This isn't Trump. This is the Detroit News saying 70% of all the boards are wrong. Are you calling them fake news?

Forget the presidential election for a second. What about every other election on the ballot down to Soil & Water Commissioner or City Council or School Board, and every other time that these errors occurred before this election they shrugged their shoulders on them.

No one sit and lie to me about "count every vote" and yet you find nothing wrong with this bullsh**t, because it's evidence of votes not being counted. It's a demonstration you are a hypocrite.

No, it is proof you are being a partisan hack per usual. No one is disputing counting every vote. What non partisan hacks are disputing are that the claims of trump being cheated are based in literal fantasy.

Get yourself a big glass of cope juice, and drink deeply.

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1331746796952023040

Absolutely correct, but then again non deluded people been asking themselves the same question for 5 years now.

Something something seriously not literally?

[Badger]

Just Trump's latest scam, these idiots are suckers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raises-more-than-150-million-appealing-to-false-election-claims/2020/11/30/82e922e6-3347-11eb-afe6-e4dbee9689f8_story.html

Amy McGrath is sad that she didn't get to waste quite that much.

Did the DNC trash one of your birthday parties as a kid?