Trump approval ratings thread 1.2

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I will say this:  It is not good for a nation to have so little positive regard for its leaders as we have now.

If Trump is so lowly regarded, but more highly regarded than his opponent(s), that's not good news for our overall condition as a nation.

It's not good for the nation to have bad leaders, period. Leaders should up their game, not make voters lower their standards.

Here here!

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Gallup (November 11th)

Approve 39% (+1)
Disapprove 55% (-2)

Why is he up? You think its the strong economy?

Don't read too much into the fluctuations of a daily tracker.  Gallup has stayed within a narrow range for a few months now, with approvals in the 35-40 range and disapprovals in 55-60, barring a few outliers.  If he breaks out of those ranges (in either direction) and stays there for more than a few days, then we can start talking about movement.

What would be the reason for him to break out of that range?

A really serious development in the Russia story or starting a war with North Korea would probably move him to the downside.   On the flip side, a decent accomplishment diplomatically (say, brokering a Middle East deal) would move him up.  Having said that, I don't think there's too much room in either direction for him to gain or lose much.  His support and opposition are pretty strongly baked in, as shown by the strong approval/disapproval numbers in most polls. 

Don't forget the possibility of the economy starting to tank (please not). I'd consider that notably more likely than all this bluster with NK TRULY hitting the fan, and only slightly less immediately likely than more major revelations regarding his treasonous interactions with Russia.

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Gallup (November 11th)

Approve 39% (+1)
Disapprove 55% (-2)

Why is he up? You think its the strong economy?

Trump gets poll boosts during tours abroad as he looks presidential

Relatively speaking of course.

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And this is the kind of sh**t that gets me:

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So exactly how do you "find out what's going on, on your own"? Do you grab a notepad and ride up to Washington, conducting interviews yourself? Do you begin to diligently research legislation as introduced by reading through each bill line-by-line and comparing it to the statements from both sides of the aisle?

No, your lazy ass sits in your computer chair, isolated in your echochamber of social media while googling the simplest terms possible to get the "news" that corresponds to your preconceived biases, applying the most ridiculous and conspiratorial levels of scrutiny to any perspective that doesn't make you feel warm and fuzzy inside while accepting literally anything at face value that does. In other words, being a sucker for "the media (that isn't)" that spoon-feeds you positive reinforcement.

These people truly are the scourge of the earth and will be the death of civilization if they're allowed to continue with their nonsense. Both society and the gene pool would be much better off without them.

Word.

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Great poll for Trump. https://www.publicpolicypolling.com/polls/colorado-political-landscape/

Only -20 in approval in Colorado, a state with a disproportionate amount of Latinos and college educated whites, not to mention that he lost it by 5 points. He should be down by much more, but this suggests his national approval rating is only about -13 or so, and rising.

So what part of Russia do you live in? Is it nice?

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I'm sure Democrats will blow this somehow.

The typical pants-s**tters have been saying this about every election since Georgia and they've been wrong every time.

We haven't had a race not in a Democratic area until yesterday's freak accident election.

I'm sure Democrats will blow this somehow.

Jesus, I thought you people would disappear for a while after last night.

Barely defeating a child molester is no victory.

lmao, one of the best parts of last night is seeing all the whiners (the ones that were preparing to post screeds about how Jones lost because he wasn't progressive enough) not be able to enjoy the smug indignity that a Moore victory would've brought them

I didn't think Jones would lose because of not being progressive. I thought he would lose because this is extreme right Alabama. The mud was just enough for him to sneak through.

"Mud", as in "mudslinging", implies the mud is fake or dishonest smears.....

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Interesting tidbit here: When Democrats run commericals about the GOP tax plan and how the GOP plans to cut Medicare/Medicaid/Welfare....the Democratic midterm advantage goes from +11% to +17%:

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GOP is done!

So a push poll ....

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Mmmm...look at that under 35 number:



Permanent majority imminent

If that is the end result, or even higher, it would have to be the worst performance among young(er) voters Republicans have posted since maybe 1974 or 1964, or perhaps even further back. The funny thing is, Republicans have been posting awful results with young voters for so long that this isn't even *that* surprising.

This is also part of why 2018 has me so interested - for the first time since young voters have trended hard against the GOP, we get to see just how low they can go. After all, 2006 and 2008 was only the beginning of their hard left trend, and from 2010-2016, that was all under Obama, whose presidency depressed the Dem base enough to result in some pretty big waves. But if Democrats really do get 70%, that will show that Republicans have lost even more support among Millennials/gen z under Obama than we originally thought, and that their bottom may actually be in the upper teens-lower 20s.

Republicans really should be worrying about this, but I rarely ever see any true concern for it. In fact, Republican lawmakers have basically accepted it and essentially take craps on the Millennial generation from their lofty perches. Meanwhile, these voters are growing up and will eventually displace baby boomers. What do Republicans think they will do then? Magically turn Republican just because they got older, all while the GOP has done nothing to reach out to them? Puh-lease.

No joke, they actually think that. The idiots they have on Fox News always brush it off with something degrading as "oh, the snowflakes will become Republicans once they start collecting a paycheck" or "once they get out of mommy and daddy's house into the real world they'll wake up!!!" or something along those lines. It's going to be hilarious seeing them panic when that doesn't come to fruition. But they'll probably just double down on their Obama-era talkshow-red meat tactics. After all, they'll probably reason that since it worked well for them then, the same thing will work again for them well under a new Democratic president.

This. I have to admit the growing up from a family that moved from being middle middle-class to Rich based on my father getting a large promotion for doing a great job with his company, I often wondered if my liberal beliefs would temper As I Grew Older and face the reality of a paycheck and a family oh, and quit being so "sheltered" from the "the real world". The older I get the more I realize that in fact my parents, perhaps more so today than when they were bona fide middle class, but I'm not sure, are far far far more sheltered and cocooned from The Real World than I am

. Perhaps because I am used to dealing with a lot of people from lower-income Strata working in criminal law, formerly is a prosecutor and now as a defense attorney. Perhaps because doing such work I see the worst that happens in the world and can see the actual root causes of it rather than what TV Talking Heads offer is bromides. And perhaps because my friends and Associates are generally younger than me that I have a far more income diverse group of friends then my parents ever did in their lives. Hell, I guarantee you that none of their friends had to go on food stamps or other forms of assistance during the Great Recession. At most their Circle perhaps had friends who had to delay retirement for a year at worse, or more commonly had to postpone that African safari trip. I kid you not.

Anywho, I thought about yes on Saturday when I saw my cool Uncle who's less than 10 years older than I am and heard him squawk about Millennials. I genuinely think that a lot of this Millennial bashing stuff is people saying; " look, I made it through with a culture that pretty much guaranteed you if you work hard you would do as well or better than your parents, we exploded the national debt to preserve our standard of living, we've made public education vastly more expensive then it was an hour day, and pretty much did a lot to f*** the future of this country over to maintain our own position rather than investing in the future. Now instead of feeling shame over what happened I'm going to tell you to take your $9 an hour Barista job and love it you whiny kid!

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Gallup, 12/18

Approve 36 (+2)
Disapprove 59 (-1)

Tax Reform bump starting.

Mods please ban.

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Wow. Trump at 30% approval in a state he got 31% in. Great poll for him. Tax Reform Bump evident.
http://news.berkeley.edu/story_jump/after-almost-a-year-how-do-californians-really-feel-about-donald-trump/

OK, a$$hole. Until the mods finally put tbe banbammer down on your trolling sock face (shouldn't take more than 9-12 months with their efficient style), it's on to the ignore list you go.

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Gravis Florida Poll

Favorable - 39
Unfavorable - 53

Great Poll For Trump In A State He Only Won By 1 Point.

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I think Trump has hit bottom. If he gets Obamacare finally repealed/replaced and real spending cuts (not holding my breath there) done in the first half of 2018, prepare for 50-60% approval.

You sound very out of touch with the average american voter.

Cutting spending would hurt Trump's approvals. The average american loves tax cuts and loves government spending. How the hell would cutting spending make Trump's approvals go up. People (unfortunately) hardly care about the national debt.

Just look at how the Obamacare repeal went. At some point, the approval for that health care plan was 20% approval 60% disapproval.

LOL every red avatar in here was out of touch with the "average American voter" a year ago, predicting Hillary landslides.

LOL. She won by almost 3 million votes. No one including most blue avatars with a clue predicted Trump would somehow pull an inside straight in the Electoral College by carrying states that had consistently gone Democratic for over a quarter-century

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That's how the electoral college works, because we're a Republic. The people in Wyoming need as much say as Californians, otherwise it really is "tyranny of the majority".

Actually the people of Wyoming have 3.6 times more say than the people of California, so this has become the tyranny of the minority.

Correct answer. The "Tyranny of the Majority" argument was bull$hit when some of our founders used it to limit the vote to the propertied (white and male being a given then), and is no less intellectually bankrupt or anti-democratic today.

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That's how the electoral college works, because we're a Republic. The people in Wyoming need as much say as Californians, otherwise it really is "tyranny of the majority".

Actually the people of Wyoming have 3.6 times more say than the people of California, so this has become the tyranny of the minority.

Not when California has 67 people for every one in Wyoming.

Um, do you understand what I said or is it too much for you to process?

Yes, but it's supposed to be a balance.  The weight of a number of votes in heavily populated states vs people's wants getting ignored in sparsely populated ones.  If we were on pure vote count, why should people in Wyoming or Delaware or Rhode Island even bother voting in a national election? The electoral college isn't perfect and maybe we could tweak it some, but it's still better than just a raw count.

Your question literally answers itself. Because their vote would matter every bit as much as someone's vote from Texas or California, or Wyoming or Vermont for that matter. More importantly it would matter as much as any voter from purple States like Ohio or Florida who get all the attention from candidates. Currently the voters in about two-thirds of solidly red or solidly blue States literally don't matter in the presidential election.

If you truly claim to care about the smallest minority of individuals, then you would oppose the Electoral College like it was cancer. Which insofar as a government based on popular representation, it kind of is.

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If you truly claim to care about the smallest minority of individuals, then you would oppose the Electoral College like it was cancer. Which insofar as a government based on popular representation, it kind of is.

He doesn't. He wants the electoral college to remain because it is only through this archaic, convoluted system that Republicans can get elected in its current form. If you go to pure popular vote the Republicans would have to reform and back off from its current Nazi-friendly platform. He knows the Democrat would win every time because the Republicans are not popular. They won House Elections by only one point, yet have 50 seats on the Democrats. Gerrymandering and the Electoral College will not go away with extremist Republicans hanging around.

Well, duh.

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We hear what you say, but we don't care anymore.

Nobody cares more than Trump and his supporters....they bitch and moan everyday non stop about imagined or perceived slights. Trump and his supporters are arguably the whiniest bitches out any electoral group I've ever seen....they are worse than most victimized lefties.

And frankly, naso is the whiniest bitchiest snowflake out there.

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One thing I've always wondered is, what did Donald J. Trump ever do to deserve this kind of loyalty and trust from his supporters? All he did was run his mouth for 1.5 years leading up the election, and bam, instant loyalty. God, I mean even I never trusted Obama like that. Especially not Clinton either (both of them - although Bill was getting elected for the first time as I was being born, so he is mostly irrelevant to me). It doesn't seem to matter what the accusation against Trump is - the first thing that runs through their mind is, "this must be bs," and every thought thereafter is just a series of attempts to delegitimize or argue against it. It doesn't matter what it is. A tape comes out showing him bragging about groping women, then accusers follow backing it up, and no, it's just "locker room talk." He makes fun of a disabled journalist on STAGE AT A RALLY ON LIVE TV, and suddenly it's "just a joke." Crickets on his scam Trump University. "It's nothing" on his super profitable DC hotel while he's president, with international diplomats pouring money into it to curry favor. Crickets! And finally when they admit something must be true, they then say "it doesn't matter." For christs sake, if you just care about your party holding power, just say it. Just say the man is a trash-talking liar, but at least you're getting the policy you want. At least that's being honest.

Again, I just don't get what this man has ever done to deserve such loyalty. He's not a nice man. He's such a blatant jerk and has a solid reputation for putting himself first and lying day and night right through his teeth. It's not even like it's hard to prove it most of the time. He lies blatantly, even when he's caught. It's just become so normal for this to happen that hardly anyone brings it up anymore. And god forbid I link politifact, as Trump long ago labeled that FAKE NEWS and his followers instinctively treat it as such, even though they document his falsehoods - which are way higher than past presidents and presidential candidates. Did it ever dawn on them why Trump has so viciously gone after every single institution that can or has tried to put a check on his power? The media. Fact-checking sites. LAW ENFORCEMENT. How is it not obvious what he's trying to do?


As a new year's resolution, I just hope for some Trump supporters to take a step back and maybe try to assess the situation a bit more objectively. Genuinely ask themselves whether they may trust Trump a little too much, or at least WHY do they trust him so much. Maybe wonder if any politician deserves that, but particularly one with so much bad history.

I think it's combinations of class, race, gender and cultural wars.

One reason I accurately predicted Trump's possible victory, despite being torn apart by people on this message board, was because I see myself and my family as your traditional white-working class American household.

My mom went to Catholic school but isn't overtly religious and doesn't go to church regularly. She voted for Obama twice but is against gay marriage, rolls her eyes at racial things like "black lives matters" and voted enthusiastically for Donald Trump. She would care less if there was a true Muslim ban in the country. She has no vested interest in any liberal causes. She can jam to a Beyonce song but rolls her eyes when she wears a black panthers-type outfit at a Superbowl halftime show. She roots for Lebron James but rolls her eyes or shrugs when he campaigns with Hillary Clinton.

Basically, she's not ideological. She votes for who makes her comfortable. Now you might wonder, why would a 49 year old woman be comfortable with a guy like Donald Trump? Well, she graduated High School in 1986 in Cleveland Ohio. The people around her were predominately Italians, Polish, and almost all Catholic. They had pictures of Pope John Paul II on their walls, idolized stories about the wonderful J.F.K. and voted for Ronald Reagan. They lived in almost all white neighborhoods, and she grew up with three brothers and is twice married with a conservative old-fashioned son (me).

My mother told me a story recently that I was really shocked by. She said when she was 18 years old, on her last day of High School in what would have been June 1986, her photography class teacher asked her to join him in the "darkroom" after class. She said he was an "average looking normal 30-something year old guy". He turned on the light and hung up all over the walls of the room were pictures he had taken of her during class the entire school-year. Working on papers, writing, sitting in her chair at her desk.

I said, "What the heck! He probably had the hots for you and was like obsessed. What happened?"

She shrugged and said, "Meh, I didn't care. I was just like, "wow thanks" and left."

I couldn't help but think that in that naive Catholic Polish politically incorrect Cleveland classroom in 1986 how nobody would have cared. Today, it would be a nationwide school scandal. My mother was completely oblivious and undeterred by the entire thing.

Things were different in our culture. One movie I loved was a Touchstone Disney film called "Adventures in Babysitting". This was a funny scene at the beginning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og-pk5lXroU

Do you think my family or me and my sisters were offended? Do you think we were scarred? Do you think we cried? We did not care. Nobody did. Many still don't.

I think the reason Clinton lost white women over 40 is because these are mostly women like my mom. They do believe that "boys will be boys" and "locker room talk". They shrug at things. They really DON'T CARE. What did Savannah Guthrie say on NBC on election night? "The Trump voters are saying "WE HEAR YOU...BUT WE DON'T CARE."

We hear what you say, but we don't care anymore.

Have you ever considered the experience traumatized your mother far more than either you or she imagined? Like, to the point where she has such weird issues with sex that she will publicly extol the size of her son's genitalia in Facebook posts? Just saying....

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I ed up

Nah, its fine. I was a horrible poster before so it can only be expected that people think that I'm still trolling.

What prompted your change in approach?

Oh... well, that's refreshing to hear. I'll unignore for now and see how it goes.

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LimoLiberal is back at the knee-jerk concern trolling.

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Rasmussen 1/31

Approve: 44 (+1)
Disapprove: 54 (-2)

Thank you for doing this on behalf of everyone whom, like myself seconds ago, decided they have had enough of limo liberals s*** and put him on ignore

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Ipsos/Reuters, Feb 11-15, 1529 adults

Approve 40 (-1)
Disapprove 54 (-1)

No sign that any of the so-called "disastrous" past few weeks have had any effect on Trump's approval. If anything, it keeps going up.

Mods please ban for terrible trolling.

Seconded.  It's bad enough that we have trolls; incompetent trolls are even worse.

Thirded

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It went up because of the tax bill and the SOTU.

The tax bill was unpopular though.

It was unpopular before it was passed. A lot of Republicans are just happy he got a legislative accomplishment through. Its reception was surprisingly positive since.

 this is very true.