Legitimize the Voting Act of 2010 (Law'd)

[Badger]

While I am in favor of this legislation, I see a significant problem in that the job of moderator is not a position in the Atlasian government.  The moderators are responsible only to Dave, and we have no authority to compel them to do anything.  Thus, we would be giving thee moderators a job they did not ask for, may or may not want, and we cannot replace them if the job is not done.  Am I missing something here?

The Supreme Court defined moderators as a sort of "police force" in Atlasia v. Keystone Phil....whether or not they want it, and that was also the reason the charges against Sewer Socialist were thrown out last time.

That said, yeah you're right, it does require cooperation with the moderators.

That's what is missing in this law....a way to actually enforce it. I have no way of checking these things myself when I certify the vote in a particular election. Otherwise though, I think registering to vote or voting from a proxy is a bad idea.

Maybe I'm being naive or missing something here, but I'm okay with relying on cooperation with the moderators to enforce this law. They've seemed to be quite cooperative when IP checks are requested, and even downright proactive in checking suspicious accounts.

[Badger]

Your papers, please!  If the forum moderators are tracking IP addresses for no good reason, don't know if I want to post here any more.  Innocent posters who want to keep their anonymity intact neither deserve nor warrant having their IP addresses tracked for no legitimate reason.  I also wonder whether maintaining such a list violates the terms of service of this website.

The internet gives you an illusion of privacy.  In reality it's as if you are walking around with your home address tattooed on your forehead.

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It's exactly like asking a real voter for his name and address before they vote.  It has nothing to do with guilt or innocence.

^^^^^ this, FWIW.

[Badger]

I'm not a fan of banning cell phone voting either, but if it's allowed, them it can be the new way to game the system, since one could justify voters having the same IP address because they were using a cell phone to vote.

If we do ban cell phone voting, we will also extend the absentee voting period so everyone would have ample time to vote.

But isn't the major problem those who chronically post from a proxy or other illegitimate IP/ISP sources and are subsequently discovered to be socks? Is there truly much danger to voting integrity if the first two paragraphs of this bill are passed without the third? It seems that the chronic proxy posters are the ones most likely to be socks and illegitimate voters rather than a reputable identifiable poster who votes by cell phone when they're out of town for the weekend.

I readily admit to not being the most tech savvy guy around so feel free to edumacaze me here.

[Badger]

We could strike the first point in the bill and use this bill as a trial run. If we do see susepcted socks vote from cell phones, and they have never voted before using them, then we can begin to work on an alternative.

I will admit that if we do decide to ban cell phones, this bill will need to be amended a great deal more to extend the voting period and could force a constitutional amendment to pass. Are we taking on too much and one time? Perhaps we can keep it simple for now. But when I see 6 sock accounts voted in the Northeast Senate election, which was decided by a few votes, I want to do something.

BADGER: See my previous post for my response to your post.

Did you mean to say the third point (paragraph) of the bill? The one relating to banning cell phone voting?

[Badger]

Senators, we are now voting on the following amendment. Please vote aye, nay, or abstain.

Amendment:

1.  Responsibility for enforcement of this law shall be vested in a Moderator General.  The Moderator General shall be a Cabinet position, requiring nomination by the President and confirmation by the Senate.  The Moderator General must be a moderator on the Atlas Forum.

2.  The Moderator General shall publicly announce violations of this law, in the thread maintained by the Department of Forum Affairs.

Since there hasn't been a hue and cry from moderators ineicating this is an unworkable proposition,

AYE, for now.

[Badger]

(note that Article I is the original bill, Article II is AHDuke's amendment, and Article III is Snowguy's amendment.)

Umm, my name isn't Snowguy, its Fritz.

AYE

Well, you Minnesotans all look alike dontcha know?

AYE.