Legitimize the Voting Act of 2010 (Law'd)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Sponsor: Senator Duke

[President Mitt]

Stupid Question, but how do the Mods know if somebody is posting from a proxy?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Stupid Question, but how do the Mods know if somebody is posting from a proxy?

They take the IP and then from what I have seen, heard etc, they look it up and find out if its a proxy.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

It can easily be identified through certain websites. It's going to be a pain to check all the voters, but it's probably the only way to make sure we don't have multiple sock accounts voting.

The cell phone issue may be dicy. I and many others vote using cell phone when we're away on weekends, so perhaps we need to expand the absentee voting system or make the voting period longer.

[tmthforu94]

I'm not too crazy about prohibiting cell phone use to vote, to be honest. A lot of people take "weekend getaways" and probably depend on their phone to stay up to date on Atlasia, as well as voting.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I'm not too crazy about prohibiting cell phone use to vote, to be honest. A lot of people take "weekend getaways" and probably depend on their phone to stay up to date on Atlasia, as well as voting.

Which is why I suggested we also either open up the absentee ballot to more people, or we extend voting hours. I'm not a fan of banning cell phone voting either, but we it can be a loophole people who post from proxies only can exploit.

[Mint]

I'm not a fan of the cell phone provision either, but obviously I support this bill overall. And actually I liked Franzl's idea of requiring people to register to vote with a legitimate IP.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I'm not a fan of the cell phone provision either, but obviously I support this bill overall. And actually I liked Franzl's idea of requiring people to register to vote with a legitimate IP.

I would support that if offered as an amendment.

[Bacon King]

The cell phone issue can be fixed by allowing a more lengthy absentee voting period, yes. This is a bill that needs to be passed immediately.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I'm not a fan of the cell phone provision either, but obviously I support this bill overall. And actually I liked Franzl's idea of requiring people to register to vote with a legitimate IP.

Meaning you register to vote with a legit IP and then are allowed to use proxies from there on out? I can't support anything like that.

A smarter way to handle that is to expand and lengthen the absentee voting process so people have a chance to vote, not the other way around.

[Bacon King]

I'm not a fan of the cell phone provision either, but obviously I support this bill overall. And actually I liked Franzl's idea of requiring people to register to vote with a legitimate IP.

Meaning you register to vote with a legit IP and then are allowed to use proxies from there on out? I can't support anything like that.

A smarter way to handle that is to expand and lengthen the absentee voting process so people have a chance to vote, not the other way around.

I think he means that he is of the opinion that all posters must register and vote from legitimate IP addresses, something I wholeheartedly agree with.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

The cell phone thing could be resolved by allowing it only if the person registers under a legitimate IP and regularly posts under that or the cell phone and never uses proxies.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

It's a great bill otherwise though.

[tmthforu94]

How hard would it be for the moderators to just look over the voting booth after each election and make sure there is only one vote per IP address?

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I'm not a fan of the cell phone provision either, but obviously I support this bill overall. And actually I liked Franzl's idea of requiring people to register to vote with a legitimate IP.

Meaning you register to vote with a legit IP and then are allowed to use proxies from there on out? I can't support anything like that.

A smarter way to handle that is to expand and lengthen the absentee voting process so people have a chance to vote, not the other way around.

I think he means that he is of the opinion that all posters must register and vote from legitimate IP addresses, something I wholeheartedly agree with.

Oh I gotcha, meaning you need a legit IP when you register and then when you vote. If that's the case, we should amend as follows:

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[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

The cell phone thing could be resolved by allowing it only if the person registers under a legitimate IP and regularly posts under that or the cell phone and never uses proxies.

I really don't know - perhaps someone with more knowledge in this field can comment. I know that some phones, apparently, post using proxies and others do not - like my iPhone is not a registered proxy but shows my location in Florida. It seems like a complicated subject.

Perhaps the absentee booth can be opened for a week or so before the elections so that people will have the opportunity to vote. Surely everyone will be able to have access to a computer that votes one time in a two week period.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

How hard would it be for the moderators to just look over the voting booth after each election and make sure there is only one vote per IP address?

What do you mean? There can be one proxy IP address that posters can be using. I'm not following you...

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators have 24 hours to request a roll call vote for the amendment.

[tmthforu94]

How hard would it be for the moderators to just look over the voting booth after each election and make sure there is only one vote per IP address?

What do you mean? There can be one proxy IP address that posters can be using. I'm not following you...

Maybe I'm off here, I'm not very knowledgable on computers and IP address's, but could the moderators check through the voters in an election and just see if two of them have the same IP address?

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

How hard would it be for the moderators to just look over the voting booth after each election and make sure there is only one vote per IP address?

What do you mean? There can be one proxy IP address that posters can be using. I'm not following you...

Maybe I'm off here, I'm not very knowledgable on computers and IP address's, but could the moderators check through the voters in an election and just see if two of them have the same IP address?

Yes, but if it's a PROXY IP address, it can change to hide the true identity of the poster. Proxies have multiple IP addresses, not just one. One can easily vote with just 1 IP, but if, say, Hamilton, changed proxy IP addresses over and over, each of his socks could vote and they would have one IP address to themselves. What we want to do is ban them so you'll have to post from a legitimate, legal IP address that is not affiliated with a proxy, thus making is nearly impossible for one to with their socks unless they physically go elsewhere. Most proxy IPs show up as proxies when entered into a database. Unfortunately, mods will have to go through this process with each voter, but it needs to be done.

[tmthforu94]

How hard would it be for the moderators to just look over the voting booth after each election and make sure there is only one vote per IP address?

What do you mean? There can be one proxy IP address that posters can be using. I'm not following you...

Maybe I'm off here, I'm not very knowledgable on computers and IP address's, but could the moderators check through the voters in an election and just see if two of them have the same IP address?

Yes, but if it's a PROXY IP address, it can change to hide the true identity of the poster. Proxies have multiple IP addresses, not just one. One can easily vote with just 1 IP, but if, say, Hamilton, changed proxy IP addresses over and over, each of his socks could vote and they would have one IP address to themselves. What we want to do is ban them so you'll have to post from a legitimate, legal IP address that is not affiliated with a proxy, thus making is nearly impossible for one to with their socks unless they physically go elsewhere. Most proxy IPs show up as proxies when entered into a database. Unfortunately, mods will have to go through this process with each voter, but it needs to be done.

Ah, okay. Thanks

[Fritz]

While I am in favor of this legislation, I see a significant problem in that the job of moderator is not a position in the Atlasian government.  The moderators are responsible only to Dave, and we have no authority to compel them to do anything.  Thus, we would be giving thee moderators a job they did not ask for, may or may not want, and we cannot replace them if the job is not done.  Am I missing something here?

[Franzl]

While I am in favor of this legislation, I see a significant problem in that the job of moderator is not a position in the Atlasian government.  The moderators are responsible only to Dave, and we have no authority to compel them to do anything.  Thus, we would be giving thee moderators a job they did not ask for, may or may not want, and we cannot replace them if the job is not done.  Am I missing something here?

The Supreme Court defined moderators as a sort of "police force" in Atlasia v. Keystone Phil....whether or not they want it, and that was also the reason the charges against Sewer Socialist were thrown out last time.

That said, yeah you're right, it does require cooperation with the moderators.

That's what is missing in this law....a way to actually enforce it. I have no way of checking these things myself when I certify the vote in a particular election. Otherwise though, I think registering to vote or voting from a proxy is a bad idea.

[Badger]

While I am in favor of this legislation, I see a significant problem in that the job of moderator is not a position in the Atlasian government.  The moderators are responsible only to Dave, and we have no authority to compel them to do anything.  Thus, we would be giving thee moderators a job they did not ask for, may or may not want, and we cannot replace them if the job is not done.  Am I missing something here?

The Supreme Court defined moderators as a sort of "police force" in Atlasia v. Keystone Phil....whether or not they want it, and that was also the reason the charges against Sewer Socialist were thrown out last time.

That said, yeah you're right, it does require cooperation with the moderators.

That's what is missing in this law....a way to actually enforce it. I have no way of checking these things myself when I certify the vote in a particular election. Otherwise though, I think registering to vote or voting from a proxy is a bad idea.

Maybe I'm being naive or missing something here, but I'm okay with relying on cooperation with the moderators to enforce this law. They've seemed to be quite cooperative when IP checks are requested, and even downright proactive in checking suspicious accounts.

[Franzl]

I have no doubts that the moderators would fully cooperate...but don't you think it might be important, from a legal perspective, to clearly mention that any and all IP checks are performed by the two Atlas moderators?