Who Would You Have Supported In the American Civil War

[Antonio the Sixth]

That was beautiful, Gully.

The idea that some people in the 21st century who aren't southern rednecks are actually defending the Confederacy is utterly sickening.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Norway is enforcing some form of slavery?!

Norway is enforcing some form of slavery?!

Who knew?

Norway implements conscription, coercing young men to serve in its armed forces. Having pay and benefits distracts from the underlying reality that this is a form of indentured servitude - working off a debt of sorts people owe to the state and society as a whole. Norway intends to expand this practice to women starting in 2015. Though obviously mild compared to many other forms of enslavement, there is a loss of individual autonomy for those conscripted and in the event of war their lives would become expendable tools of state for advancing its objectives. I don't expect you to take this seriously, but it deeply offends me there are still countries without all-volunteer armed forces.

I'm not fond of conscription, but you are insulting people who actually were held in slavery by equating these things.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Truth is, I don't really care about whether States have a right to secede (they clearly don't have it, anyway, since any nation is founded on the basic premise that its parts can't split whenever they want to). A State that attempts to secede in order to perpetuate the existence of slavery shouldn't be let to secede, EVEN if it juridically had the right to. If the constitution had said otherwise, then f**k the constitution.