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Antonio the Sixth
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« on: August 26, 2009, 03:41:38 PM »
« edited: August 26, 2009, 03:46:42 PM by Antonio V »

From time to time people need an injection of brutal honesty and scathing frankness, and something needs to be exposed for all to see.

100% agreed.


This thread is great. I love partisan newspapers, because they are more honest than the majority of newspapers pretending to be neutral and who insinuate their ideological arguments instead of claiming them ( this was a real life comment, nothing to do with Atlasia newspapers which are all formidable Wink ).
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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2009, 07:31:20 AM »

Not surprising DWTL will remain the most prominent member of RPP. The only mistery is how the RPP didn't yet collapse.
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2009, 08:08:40 AM »

What do you think about recent party changings of Rowan and Tmthforu ? Good news, IMO.
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2009, 06:10:21 AM »

Newsletter Ranting
Telling it like it is. Angrily.


Democratic Alliance: Main course, or a side dish?
September 7th, 2009

How are things in the Democratic Alliance these days? Well, after some party squabbling inside the Regional Protection Party (and some flip-flopping from certain members) they're more powerful and influential than they were before. Ben, Vepres, and RowanBrandon, the latter two being office-holders, have defected from the RPP to join the DA after disappointment in the way the party was ran, and has since then drawn some commentary about being "over-extended."

In any case, it seems like things have finally settled down, and now pre-election speculation begins for October, leading to more behind-the-scenes fighting.

In what is the equivalent of two people having a one night stand and one of the unfortunate parties involved believing that to be the beginning of a wonderful relationship, it seems like the RPP has grown too comfortable in taking the DA for granted after the unity ticket in June. Now, rumors are swirling of another unity ticket. Will the DA fall for it again?

Hopefully not. While this paper can confirm that it seems as if the initial rumored RPP/DA ticket has fallen through, I can also confirm that the RPP is trying very, very hard to suck in another Democratic Alliance member into their web. One can only imagine whom. (And DWTL is intimately involved in this. Shocker.)

What the DA should keep in mind is that they're being used for the RPP's electoral benefit. The RPP expects a unity ticket, or at least some guarantee of secondary support, as if they're entitled to such a thing.

New RPP/DA Pacific Members! New RPP/DA Pacific Members! Come on...

How revealing. "RPP/DA members"? Are they the same thing now?

The RPP has engaged in disgusting tactics for the upcoming election, as they did before during the regional race in the Pacific. Attempting to enroll as many voting slaves as possible before the election, and funneling them to the Pacific in what was a failed attempt to defeat Ebowed in the Lt. Governor race.

Now, it seems like they're at it again, funneling members to the Northeast (to defeat Hash) and Mideast (to protect Tmth, who got the seat by appointment, though there is no proof Tmth is directly involved in this either way). Trying to deny this is ridiculous, and is just an outright insulting of our collective intelligence.

The Democratic Alliance is not the RPP's side-dish, being used to compliment themselves for their own success. The Democratic Alliance is their own party, with independent members who fight for sensible, fair, and pragmatic policy positions. (In contrast to the anarcho-capitalist nonsense many in the RPP subscribe to.) It deserves to be treated with, stay with me now, respect.

The Regional Protection Party acts jerky, almost as if it is entitled to Democratic Alliance support simply because of one alliance of convenience a few months ago. What the RPP needs is a reality check, and a firm kick in the ass to go along with it to give them some perspective.

Hopefully the Democratic Alliance won't fall for the RPP's false charms again, wisen up to the fact that they're being used, and fight back. They deserve better.

100% agreed. DA has no reason to follow the RPP in these conditions. A DA candidate for October elections appear the most reasonable options, since the Instant Runoff Voting permits to prevent someone to win without an absolute majority.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2009, 07:21:33 AM »

Lets face it, the RPP needs the DA, the DA needs the RPP, just like every other party needs the others help to win races.

Senseless.
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2009, 12:51:04 PM »

Really disappointing.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2009, 08:10:54 AM »

Electing VP separately will raise pluralism in the executive. It does make sense, and I personally support it.
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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2009, 05:18:27 PM »

Okay, gosh, this is so very overwhelming. Tongue

Most of you will be getting a question sheet at some point in some order. NiK did ask first, so I'll send him some questions, though I don't exactly know what to ask him. BK and Hash will be next in line in some order, the RB and/or DWTL. This will certainly take some time. Wink

Will I come next ? Wink
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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2009, 03:26:33 AM »

Okay, gosh, this is so very overwhelming. Tongue

Most of you will be getting a question sheet at some point in some order. NiK did ask first, so I'll send him some questions, though I don't exactly know what to ask him. BK and Hash will be next in line in some order, the RB and/or DWTL. This will certainly take some time. Wink

Will I come next ? Wink

Seems like I'm the only one having been totally ignored for 4 days... Please just say "no" if you aren't interested.
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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2009, 07:12:10 AM »

Okay, gosh, this is so very overwhelming. Tongue

Most of you will be getting a question sheet at some point in some order. NiK did ask first, so I'll send him some questions, though I don't exactly know what to ask him. BK and Hash will be next in line in some order, the RB and/or DWTL. This will certainly take some time. Wink

Will I come next ? Wink

Seems like I'm the only one having been totally ignored for 4 days... Please just say "no" if you aren't interested.

Of course you can have one as well if you like. I've just been buffeted with requests and it seems my distaste for PMing people has put me behind a little. Tongue

Don't worry, if you tell me something compromising I won't publish it. Tongue

Thank you anyways. Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2009, 10:01:18 AM »

I hereby award Disraeli 20000 fail points for the last post.

Fixed.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2009, 10:09:24 AM »


Oh how surprising! A self admitted fanatical hater of freedom doesn't like me! How I'll cry! How I'll weep! Honestly, once you stop pressing for the state to interfere and ruin people's lives, I might end the intense disliking I have for you and your 'progressive' (anything but, in reality) friends.

Being hated by an ideological hack is a pleasure for me.
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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2009, 02:16:07 PM »

How exactly is the JCP statist? We're socially libertarian and economically pragmatic, if there's really a label to be given.

Well, "economically pragmatic" means anything and nothing. A great part of us, if not a majority, are Social-Democrats, and in this sense somewhat Statists yes. Being statist to some degree is not an insult and we shouldn't be ashamed of our views. Exactly as the RPP is a coalition of right-leaning libertarians and true conservatives, the JCP gathers left-leaning libertarians like you and bgwah as well as true progressives like Lief, Marokai or Max.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2009, 03:39:07 PM »

How exactly is the JCP statist? We're socially libertarian and economically pragmatic, if there's really a label to be given.

Well, "economically pragmatic" means anything and nothing. A great part of us, if not a majority, are Social-Democrats, and in this sense somewhat Statists yes. Being statist to some degree is not an insult and we shouldn't be ashamed of our views. Exactly as the RPP is a coalition of right-leaning libertarians and true conservatives, the JCP gathers left-leaning libertarians like you and bgwah as well as true progressives like Lief, Marokai or Max.

1. Pragmatic in your sense means 'interventionist'
2. STOP USING THE WORD PROGRESSIVE. It's the most obnoxious, pretentious way to describe people, and it suggests superiority over everyone else.

I don't blame you for constantly saying how great, fair and good is libertarianism, how you are freedom fighters and how anyone who disagrees with you is a freedom hater. So please just shut up.
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2009, 03:51:41 AM »

*What's the deal with you and Hamilton? What's your opinion of him?

Hamilton recruited me into Atlasia, and trained me, taught me how this place works. We became fast friends, and when he was allegedly causing trouble, I turned a blind eye. When he left the RPP/PCP, I did not. I remained with the party, but still, our friendship did not suffer. He entrusted me with things that could ruin him, probably unwisely. I, coming home from school one day, made a tactical error and thought Hamilton betrayed my trust. So, angry as all hell, I proceeded to ruin his career, posting PMs. I regret my decision to do so, but either way, the polarization had to stop. Despite this, we have reconciled and I have talked to him on AIM, mostly about personal stuff. He is still my friend.

*Why would you be stupid enough to actually associate with Hamilton at all?

It wasn’t stupid. You try renouncing the person who you had grown to become friends with, respected, and who always helped you in Atlasia. It isn’t easy.

Epic fail.
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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2009, 02:25:10 PM »

And Antonio, I haven't communicated with him about the game at all. Most of the time past August, I didn't. It was more of political ideals/other stuff. It was only till recently that I started to again. So I don't know if that fits the definition of "Epic fail". I accepted the consequences of what I did, and I know I probably helped Hamilton in posting the PMs, long term though. I should have waited until the bill passed in the Senate however.

My comment was related to the fact you still consider Hamilton as a friend. You are a honest man, Nik, and your decision to post the PMs was admirable. Hamilton is manipulating you as he did with Kalwejt and I. He will never stop manipulating you, and it can ruin your Atlasian carreer as it ruined Kalwejt's. You don't deserve this. You deserve better friends than Hamilton.
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« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2009, 10:08:58 AM »

The ARC was bound to fail and the RPP had the same problem that any rapidly growing, highly centralized power has. One of these days the Atlasian Right is going to learn that to compete effectively, it needs a more stable and sustainable model.

The DA may not be large, but we are stable. This helps us better reach out to people. We rarely surprise, but we always deliver.

100% agreed.
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« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2009, 05:48:55 AM »

Newsletter Ranting
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The Anti-Region Regionalists!
December 2nd, 2009

When you think the Atlasian Right has reached the height of hypocrisy, you find out they can climb even higher!

Introduced yesterday, an Amendment to allow regions the ability to determine the way they elected their representative, alone or in partnership with other regions, was introduced. The proposal had the goal of encouraging regions along the way of encouraging their competitiveness in their regional Senate elections, and an increased and excited electorate, all done in a regional rights setting!

The best of both worlds! Or one might think. Indeed, despite the fact that it's the most region-friendly game reform proposal introduced in recent months, the forces lining up in opposition consist mostly of the Status Quo Protection Party.

The response from The Regionalist teddy bear?


That's right, the regionalists killed him. Way to go, guys. RIP Regionalist bear.

Yes, like past reform efforts, this argument against doesn't really have anything to do with the proposal at hand, or if it does, it consists mostly of flat-out ignorance of what the proposal entails. It's, instead, the VAST ANTI-REGION CONSPIRACEE creeping it's supposedly ugly head once more. Somehow, the proposal to give regions more power amounts to killing regions. Let's watch.

No, the purpose is a few people trying to basically create 10 at-large seats, hoping that all the regions band together to elect 5 "regional" Senators.

Looks, lets face it the first move will be the Pacific and Midwest combining so that the JCP can score an easy double victory. Perhaps then a merger of the Northeast and Mideast to keep the RPP from winning the Mideast seat.  We see what the idea is here, to increase liberal power

It strikes me as the perfect vehicle for people who want to abolish the regional Senate seats.

Oooh, spooky. DWTL, funny enough, made the closest thing to the classic "LEFTIST POWER GRAB" said so far in the "debate." I said "debate" of course, because this is all scaremongering nonsense not at all related to the issue at hand.

This proposal leaves everything up to the regions, right down to the voting system they want. It lets regions decide if they want to enter into a "Senate Partnership" with other regions and then holds a referendum, and the two partners then elect their regional Senators together, their positions and voters combined. The partnership can be broken off at any time by a simple majority vote by any of the regions in the agreement.

It leaves everything up to the regions if they want to increase competition and excitement in their races. It's a great idea, and probably my favorite game reform proposal ever brought forward, and once that deserves interesting discussion, not freak-outs and weaving supposed leftist conspiracies.

The hypocrisy of the opposition is clear. They oppose allowing regions to determine the way they elect their representative, and why? Because they don't like it that way. They've become just as authoritarian in their reasoning as those that want the federal government to abolish all regional Senate elections. They want to preserve the status quo, they don't want to protect regions, and this fact ought to be remembered now and forever. They are not, NOT, a "regional protection" party. It is a farce.

The most regionalist Senator in debate? Franzl.

So, for the record, you support overruling the will of the regions in order to maintain "one senator, one region"?

Can a region or can it not vote to remove its regional representation?  I again cite Xahar's election that flukes can happen in elections that do not reflect the view of the people

You clearly demonstrate that you couldn't give a s**t about regional rights.

As for DWTL's question in the above quote, the answer here is no. The only way he could come to that idea is if he had absolutely no frakking clue what the Amendment said, which wouldn't surprise me. Scream first, debate later, the creed of the Atlasian Right.

The Regional Protection Party should be recognized far and wide as nothing more than an electoral ploy. A nice-sounding name and cute ideology of "regional protection" to rally their voters, but it is all a fraud. The RPP doesn't support regional rights anymore than I support a flat tax. They support regional rights when it benefits them politically, but when it's regions doing something they don't like, they drop "regional rights" like a blazing potato.

Remember remember, the 2nd of December. The day the RPP turned into a lie.

You are definitely my hero. This Amendment proposal is probably the better idea to intelligently reform the system and protect regional rights. But DWTL&co fear too much to lose their little power... Hopefully, this will pass. I will make all that I can to help it to pass, and then I will ensure that NE will enter in Senate partnerships with any other region.
Congratulations for your work, and don't give up. Wink
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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2009, 06:55:16 AM »

You can't ensure anything in the Northeast.

I can at least force people to actively consider this, and since most of NE legislators are intellignet people interested in building a better Atlasia, I have much hope to succeed.



Nah, you really deserve it. Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2009, 11:10:06 AM »

You can't ensure anything in the Northeast.

I can at least force people to actively consider this, and since most of NE legislators are intellignet people interested in building a better Atlasia, I have much hope to succeed.



Nah, you really deserve it. Smiley

Major asslick alert.

You're sickening. I just expressed my admiration for the action of a major political figure : it's as if I said you lick Churchill's and Disraeli's asses.
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« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2009, 05:13:09 AM »

Great interview. Smiley

Am I the next after Rowan ?
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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2009, 10:43:05 AM »

Poor and hackish statements, but Rowan deserved an interview.
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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2009, 07:18:47 AM »

I agree with this. Being SoFA is a great responsibility, and he seems not to be able to take anymore.
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« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2009, 12:27:13 PM »

Newsletter Ranting
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A deal with the devil.
December 15th, 2009


You knew it was coming. I just wish I got to another topic first.

In the last couple days, Xahar announced he was running for President with NiK as his running mate.


Yes, that NiK. The one who was Hamilton's man from day one when he tried to invade the Pacific region with zombies. But we've covered that before, no need to go back in time. This isn't a Blast From the Past article afterall, but it is essential to understand the full background of this event. And as such, knowing the curious and electorally savvy choice of NiK is important to keep in mind given his connection and his admirers.

Immediately, the ARC lined up behind him. Why would they do such a thing? The ARC would not support any random leftist, of course. Just take a look at their set of principles! Xahar is a leftist figure who has openly sympathized with and supported Socialist movements, erase his name and the circumstances from the run, and imagine any other traditional leftist, would the ARC support them? Hell no they wouldn't.

A few days ago, Bgwah, in a simple joke at the time, told Hamilton I was the JCP candidate for February. We were anxious for reactions, and so I let it go unchallenged. Within hours, though, who is the first person to contact me about me supposedly running for President? Xahar. News went straight from Hamilton to Xahar within hours on the day before and day of his decision to run. While Bgwah didn't achieve the plans he wanted to with the prank, we realized one thing from it, Xahar and Hamilton were in close contact.

Xahar/NiK is a ticket that reeks of backroom dealing, of cold calculation, of political convenience, reeks of Hamilton. And then this was said:

A good ticket which I hope I can convince the DA to support in February, if possible.

How.. disappointing. Of course, Hash later 'retracted' his support (after some great DA members rebelled from the decision and against Hash's attempted forcing of support) but what the hell? Why would Hash even come to that conclusion in the first place? Clearly, of course, he was involved before the announcement in some fashion, but why would you ally with that group?

The ARC is not officially on the ticket, but they are in all but name, they are in spirit. NiK being Hamilton's man, ARC support, in constant contact with Hamilton behind the scenes.. it is rather clear the spirit of the ARC surrounds every move of this ticket. And so, because of this, the ticket will inevitably rely on ARC support! That much is clear! And who does the ARC support consist of? Trolls, zombies, fools.

These are the voters that cast their vote for the ARC candidate in the Senate election:

(cutie_15, Hamilton, segwaystyle2012, Lahbas, Winston Disraeli, Mechaman, Einzige, Earth, azmagic, Dallasfan65, ajc0918, Libertas, Mint, jamespol, FallenMorgan, rebeltarian, phknrocket1k, Sam Spade, Elvis Republican, yoman82, General Mung Beans, PiT)

We can safely call segwaystyle2012, Lahbas, azmagic, Dallasfan65, ajc0918, rebeltarian, Elvis Republican, yoman82, and General Mung Beans zombies. I didn't even know who the hell some of these people were or that they were registered until they voted, for Christ's sake. That's nine voters that are conclusively zombies, let along the others that you could classify as close, such as Earth, phknrocket1k (who is a JCP zombie), or FallenMorgan who doesn't really participate much at all, but whatever, I'll give that libertarian the benefit of the doubt though.

What can be said though, is that out of 22 total votes for the ARC candidate, at least ten of them are zombies. Nearly HALF of the ARC candidate votes in the Senate elections were zombies! Other candidates aren't innocent, of course. Badger had a couple zombies, Fritz had one, Afleitch had one, Barnes had one or two. But none of these candidates relied so heavily that quite literally 50% of their total support came from them!

And this is what will be the machine behind Xahar/NiK. This is what Hashemite, noted anti-zombie crusader, wanted to ally with. If any of you are to support Xahar/NiK, keep in mind the whole time who supports them.

Quite simply, the ARC is a troll movement. No other movement like that in my entire time in Atlasia has been so open and blatant about the fact that they are a troll movement causing trouble "for the lulz" than the ARC. That's why it's stunning why so many normal people would even consider giving it the time of day.

Duke was right about one thing, even though I've criticized him plenty of times in the past Atlasia is simply full of stupid people and children. Kids who will warm up to anyone who says two nice words about them and forget all about the past. No one in Atlasia has more than a 48 hour memory, and it's frustrating beyond all belief.

Xahar/NiK is a ticket based on the idea of winning by any means necessary. It is a fake unity ticket, relying heavily on troll and zombie support. Xahar wants to win so much, Xahar wants power so much, that he made a deal with the devil to have a shot. I look forward to how the race shapes up, and I encourage the honorable DA members to continue to rebel against the ticket that epitomizes all that is wrong with Atlasian elections, and I hope Xahar shows some policies as time goes on so he doesn't look like someone who's completely power hungry. But at this point? I'm not encouraged.

And please, for the love of God, don't be sweet-talked.

Hell... I don't know what to think anymore.
Initially I was really tempted by a ticket uniting two people I like quite much, but now it appears more and more clearly that tis will be the next ARC ticket for February. While I refuse to think that Xahar is directly involved in a backroom deal, I can't support his association with Hamilton anymore. I however can perfectly understand him, since I was in his same situation just two months ago. Hamilton is a damn manipulator, able to attract people from everywhere because he knows how to tell people what they want to hear. But you can't fool everybody eternally, and Xahar isn't stupid enough to fall in this trap, and I'm hopeful he will soon understand Hamilton's real intents.
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« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2009, 08:43:53 AM »

I vote Alexander Hamilton the JCP candidate.

No clue what I'm doing but he reads my Timeline PMs me so I support him haha

no zombies here, no sir.

Indeed.

Who are you talking about please ?
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