Which drugs do you think should be legal for personal use?

[MK]

Marijuana, but only if my prison reform is in-acted.

[MK]

Alcohol: yes - 19 years old
Tobacco: yes - 19 years old
Marijuana: yes - 19 years old     
Heroin: yes (tightly controlled) - we are talking paper work
Meth: HELL no       
Cocaine: no        
Crack-Cocaine: no    
Barbiturates: as is        
LSD: no. reduce penalties though.
Magic Mushrooms: yes - 21 years old       
Ecstasy: no....i mean......i guess use it for things like couples therapy       
Amphetamines: for personal use only low dose dextroamphetamine products
Salvia Divornium: yes - 21 years old     
Mescaline: yes - 21 years old
AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD LEGALIZE DMT


I don't know about those buddy.

I would love to elaborate on any of these if anyone disagrees.

[MK]

Alcohol: yes - 19 years old
Tobacco: yes - 19 years old
Marijuana: yes - 19 years old     
Heroin: yes (tightly controlled) - we are talking paper work
Meth: HELL no       
Cocaine: no        
Crack-Cocaine: no    
Barbiturates: as is        
LSD: no. reduce penalties though.
Magic Mushrooms: yes - 21 years old       
Ecstasy: no....i mean......i guess use it for things like couples therapy       
Amphetamines: for personal use only low dose dextroamphetamine products
Salvia Divornium: yes - 21 years old     
Mescaline: yes - 21 years old
AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD LEGALIZE DMT


I don't know about those buddy.

I would love to elaborate on any of these if anyone disagrees.

Heroin:
- would reduce gang-related violence
- purity would be known (less overdoses)
- addicts won't have to hide the addiction......can get help
- less potent opiates would be more common......more potent opiates would be less common
- Use would decrease

Every time I have done magic mushrooms - it substantially improved my life. Took mushrooms. Analyzed my life on em.  Quit smoking. Stopped being dumb with alcohol. Made my room cleaner than it had ever been. Declared my major.  There is no come down. Felt happier in the following 3-4 weeks than I have ever felt.  I have never felt such love for life. Best decision i've ever made.

Without major prison reform making those 2 HARD drugs would be disastrous.

Keep it simple with Marijuana, those other hard drugs are not good for anybody period.  Why make it easier for young people to get hooked on them or access?

Healthcare rates would skyrocket and insurance rates would also go up.

Then again you are more left then me, so we can agree to disagree on these types of issues.

[MK]

Alcohol: yes - 19 years old
Tobacco: yes - 19 years old
Marijuana: yes - 19 years old     
Heroin: yes (tightly controlled) - we are talking paper work
Meth: HELL no       
Cocaine: no        
Crack-Cocaine: no    
Barbiturates: as is        
LSD: no. reduce penalties though.
Magic Mushrooms: yes - 21 years old       
Ecstasy: no....i mean......i guess use it for things like couples therapy       
Amphetamines: for personal use only low dose dextroamphetamine products
Salvia Divornium: yes - 21 years old     
Mescaline: yes - 21 years old
AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD LEGALIZE DMT


I don't know about those buddy.

I would love to elaborate on any of these if anyone disagrees.

Heroin:
- would reduce gang-related violence
- purity would be known (less overdoses)
- addicts won't have to hide the addiction......can get help
- less potent opiates would be more common......more potent opiates would be less common
- Use would decrease

Every time I have done magic mushrooms - it substantially improved my life. Took mushrooms. Analyzed my life on em.  Quit smoking. Stopped being dumb with alcohol. Made my room cleaner than it had ever been. Declared my major.  There is no come down. Felt happier in the following 3-4 weeks than I have ever felt.  I have never felt such love for life. Best decision i've ever made.

Without major prison reform making those 2 HARD drugs would be disastrous.

Keep it simple with Marijuana, those other hard drugs are not good for anybody period.  Why make it easier for young people to get hooked on them or access?

Healthcare rates would skyrocket and insurance rates would also go up.

Then again you are more left then me, so we can agree to disagree on these types of issues.

Actually......it would be harder for young people to access them if legalized. It is currently easier for an 18 year old to get coke or LSD than it is to get alcohol. The supply of illegal drugs is not restricted to an age bracket right now. Also........mushrooms and prison should never be used in the same sentence and everyone should try mushrooms at least once in their life. People on mushrooms are not a threat. They are creative, open-minded, and in most cases more respectful than while "sober".

I like you as fellow dem, but you sound pretty far left.

Hard drugs should never be legal period. 

[MK]

Alcohol: yes - 19 years old
Tobacco: yes - 19 years old
Marijuana: yes - 19 years old     
Heroin: yes (tightly controlled) - we are talking paper work
Meth: HELL no       
Cocaine: no        
Crack-Cocaine: no    
Barbiturates: as is        
LSD: no. reduce penalties though.
Magic Mushrooms: yes - 21 years old       
Ecstasy: no....i mean......i guess use it for things like couples therapy       
Amphetamines: for personal use only low dose dextroamphetamine products
Salvia Divornium: yes - 21 years old     
Mescaline: yes - 21 years old
AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD LEGALIZE DMT


I don't know about those buddy.

I would love to elaborate on any of these if anyone disagrees.

Heroin:
- would reduce gang-related violence
- purity would be known (less overdoses)
- addicts won't have to hide the addiction......can get help
- less potent opiates would be more common......more potent opiates would be less common
- Use would decrease

Every time I have done magic mushrooms - it substantially improved my life. Took mushrooms. Analyzed my life on em.  Quit smoking. Stopped being dumb with alcohol. Made my room cleaner than it had ever been. Declared my major.  There is no come down. Felt happier in the following 3-4 weeks than I have ever felt.  I have never felt such love for life. Best decision i've ever made.

Without major prison reform making those 2 HARD drugs would be disastrous.

Keep it simple with Marijuana, those other hard drugs are not good for anybody period.  Why make it easier for young people to get hooked on them or access?

Healthcare rates would skyrocket and insurance rates would also go up.

Then again you are more left then me, so we can agree to disagree on these types of issues.

Actually......it would be harder for young people to access them if legalized. It is currently easier for an 18 year old to get coke or LSD than it is to get alcohol. The supply of illegal drugs is not restricted to an age bracket right now. Also........mushrooms and prison should never be used in the same sentence and everyone should try mushrooms at least once in their life. People on mushrooms are not a threat. They are creative, open-minded, and in most cases more respectful than while "sober".

I like you as fellow dem, but you sound pretty far left.

Hard drugs should never be legal period. 

I'm not all that far left. I think that roe v. wade should be overturned because I don't agree with the decision on a constitutional basis (would vote against a full ban within state).  I am against gun control. I am against affirmative action. Nor am I economically far left......and I don't think we should be spending such an exorbitant amount of tax money on trying to prevent something that can't be stopped, and exacerbating the problem in doing so.  

You would be exacerbating the problem by making hard drugs legal.  I agree the money spent on the "war on drugs" is a waste.  Thats in the current form its being implemented, I would REFORM our prison system and then make Marijuana legal.  Heroin is not good for the public why make it legal?
Do you think performance enhancing drugs should be legal too?   Now the same could be said for Tobacco and Alcohol, but at a much slower rate.

You say we would save money by getting rid of the war on drugs, however if you are also for Gov healthcare then you would now have a problem on that side. 

[MK]

By making HARD  drugs legal you are admitting to younger people that its safe to come into the water.  Theres a reason why no politician will touch this with a 10ft pen.

[MK]

admitting drug use on a public forum is pretty dumb, just for your info

Anything you put on the internet becomes permanent for all time and you don't know who your employers will be in 20-30 years.

Yep, can't bellieve he admitted to using Mushrooms LOL.

[MK]

All of them.

Nonsense.

[MK]

The Cat Disagrees

LOL

[MK]

marijuana, mescaline, magic mushrooms, alcohol, lsd, ecstasy, salvia should all be legal for personal use

 Fixed.

[MK]

marijuana, mescaline, magic mushrooms, alcohol, lsd, ecstasy, salvia should all be legal for personal use

 Fixed.

And you call yourself a conservative based on wanting weed to be legal?

Never said I was a conservative.

Its Common sense and understanding that hard drugs aren't good for people as it stands.
Making them "legal" therefore making them easier to gain access sends the wrong message and helps nobody. 

[MK]

I don't agree that it's common sense.

How many people OD or commit crimes after trying something the first time?  My bet would be that experimentation would go up, initially, then die down after just a few years, when the hipness wears off.  You'd still see plenty of users, but I'd bet alcohol use would be much higher than coke, meth, herion, et al combined (sans weed).  I can get anything I want, whenever I want, but I choose to drink, smoke a joint here and there and occasionally drop a few tabs. 

I know the arguments for legalization are largely speculative, but criminalizing this stuff obviously hasn't done a whole lot of good.  Unless you consider it 'good' to throw drug addicts in the clink to spend their time with rapists and murderers.  That's not just Hollywood, and if you think it is, spend five minutes in the Cook County lockup, see how much fun you have.  And in case you're unaware, drugs are pretty easy to get in prison.

I also highly doubt the crime rate would go up.  I'd argue it goes down.  No more dealers, no more 'possession with the intent to distribute' even though the person never planned to distribute anything, no more people that happened to be hanging around with users coming out of prison with a nice education in crime or just feeling like their life is pointless and don't care anymore...

I'll shut up now.

The people that are always for making HARD drugs legal are the very people who use them.

[MK]

I guess no one knows what salvia and mescaline are, otherwise they would be at the same level as marijuana for legality. Salvia is even legal is most US states.

I disagree.

Me too.  Salvia's probably just a fad.  And I think peyote use is largely regional/cultural.  It definitely doesn't get a lot of recreational use.  Not compared to everything else listed in this thread.

I meant people on this thread. Salvia and mescaline have a lot fewer people voting for them to legal than marijuana, even though salvia actually is legal. (Mescaline is not.)

Oh, but should Salvia, something has resulted in the most profound experiences of many people's lives, be treated the same as a mild intoxicant like wacky-tobacky?

I think it's completely fair to make Salvia more illegal than 95% of things out there.

God bless them, but the things my fellow democrats say sometimes.

[MK]

Drugs are bad. 

Thats all I can say.

[MK]

Drugs are bad. 

Thats all I can say.

What's wrong with me saying a drug you've never heard of should be "more illegal" than 95% of substances out there?  Especially a drug I'd like to see become more illegal than it currently is -- right now Salvia is legal for anyone over 18.

Friendly fire.
 LOL my mistake Lunar.

[MK]

Drugs are bad. 

One of the most ignorant comments I've ever read here.  I know you don't actually mean "drugs" are bad.  You mean "the drugs that have been illegal since I was born and for reasons I don't understand" are bad.  Yes, that's an easy answer to come up with and as a bonus, fits in your world view.  Hopefully with a little growth you can get past this.

Thats correct.

I have already debated the issue on a serious level a few pages back before you and the other guy started to validate your case by stating the different type of drugs you have experienced.

The "I have did them, so they must be Ok for legal sale" argument is ignorant.

We shouldn't start the name calling because it was a good debate up until now.

[MK]

Where did I say "I've done them so they must be ok for legal sale"?  I can't take illegal drugs, I could lose my security clearance and thus, my job.  I don't want drugs to be legal so I can take them, I want drugs to be legal because it's completly un-American for them to be illegal.  The only reason they are illegal now is because of ignorance.

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Not true.

You are being inconsiderate of the facts.  Iam for making Cannabis legal- Ive already said that , but HARD drugs being legal is ridiculous.  There are things you need to consider before saying such a blanklet statement.

[MK]

But as this thread has made clear, you have no idea what a "hard drug" is.

Iam not even going to reply to that silly statement.

Libertarians and there never ending debate for legalization of drugs.

[MK]

What's wrong with asking how you define a "hard drug?"

I have my own personal definition, which involved addictiveness, lack of medical benefits, and harm potential.

Why should you discard anything a libertarian has to say simply because from a libertarian?  I mean, I am without a doubt that you and I (and Deadman) are two ships passing in the night regarding much of policymaking, but the very fact that someone is libertarian is inadequate to disqualify their point of view...

You should elaborate.  There are legitimate disagreements to the libertarian point of view on drugs (I actually bet I could name more of them than you, despite being libertarian myself), but you should focus on those instead of broad stereotypes.

You are kidding me right? 

Iam talking about illegal psychoactive drugs LSD, X, Meth, Mushrooms ... you know the deal.

These drugs shouldn't be legal for sale, and there are many valid reasons for that.

Don't try to box me in on this because I actually do understand the drug issue very well.

[MK]

Do you?

On what merits should a drug be legal for recreational purposes versus prescription only?  Please do distinguish alcohol and tobacco from all those evil others that should be illegal.

I'm pretty open on the subject, actually.  More than my antagonistic rhetoric gives away.

No psychoactive drug should be legal for recreational use.  Now iam willing to give on Cannabis, although that hasn't always been my stance.  Iam not against prescription drugs, I do understand that alot of these "Hard  drugs" can be used for medical use/ prescriptions.   But thats not what iam debating. Iam debating  the ideal that hard drugs/ psychoactives should be made legal for recreational use. 

 - Tobacco is not a mind altering drug.

- Alcohol you have a good point there, but then again I wasn't around in 1933 when it was huge debate against it. 

My question to you is:  Do you really think psychoactive drugs should be made legal?

[MK]

Personally, tobacco is pretty psychoactive.  If you've ever done a rip of it, you'd know what I mean.  You're not yourself for a couple hours.  I've done that for tobacco and it's not fun.  I haven't touched tobacco (or even pot) for two years for that very reason.

I don't see why the 1933 debate is irrelevant today.  Why can't we learn our lessons from that prohibition debate?  In that, although alcohol is a destructive, addictive drug (and Lunar's favorite), it's better to have it legal because it being it reduces gang violence and increases drug quality (insofar as harmful impurities).

Yes you get a Buzz when first time lighting up a cig.. I know, been there.  Its not a psychoactive though.

You can reduce gang violence by doing my ideal of prison reform that I layed out on this forum.

[MK]

Wait, how do you define "psychoactive?"

Because that's not what I'm talking about.

 Alters your brain.

[MK]

So tobacco and alcohol don't alter your brain?

Alcohol yes

Tobacco not really.

Hell iam addicted to NOS energy drinks, which is like a nicotine addiction in a way.  But I wouldn't compare it to being hooked to Meth or LSD..


Hope all of you know that by making these drugs legal you would pretty much kill any chances of a well ran Gov Healthcare or the system we have now.

[MK]

So tobacco and alcohol don't alter your brain?

Alcohol yes

Tobacco not really.

Hell iam addicted to NOS energy drinks, which is like a nicotine addiction in a way.  But I wouldn't compare it to being hooked to Meth or LSD..


Hope all of you know that by making these drugs legal you would pretty much kill any chances of a well ran Gov Healthcare or the system we have now.

what

Natl healthcare and legalization of hard drugs = Train wreck waiting to happen.

[MK]

Neither side in this debate will give up. We would be here all year debating.