Is "basket of deplorables" Hillary's 47% moment?

[MK]

Ok. Let me make a serious statement, for once.

1. I, actually, understand where the Trump support is coming from. Yes, there are many people in the US who feel that "the elites" are usurping the power, do not care about them, do not share their values, etc. I, of course, do not share those sentiments, but I do see how this can be a strong feeling.

2. This feeling is not limited to the US, of course. In fact, in much of the world the same feeling of impotent rage against the elites that many Americans feel domestically is directed against all Americans as a group. Aren't Americans the worldwide "elite"? Many Russians, for instance, would, as a matter of course, answer in the affirmative. The world, in their worldview, is governed by the "Washington obkom".

3. Of course, there are no real elites governing the world. Society is a complex organism, and no group of people can control or direct it. Nor is there a cohesive group with alligned interests that could try to do so. The world, really, is a lot more chaotic than many people suppose.

4. Miraculously, this chaos over the last 70 years has been, at least in the "first world", resolved without major conflagrations that had been the norm for most of our history, and remain the norm in many places till now. This has been achieved, in great part, because after the catastrophe of the two world wars societies converged to some modicum of political and social moderation. They say that Mexicans are so polite (and Mexican conventions are those of exaggerated politeness) because 100 years ago an impolite word could have resulted in shooting. In a sense, the same has been true of our societies in general. We could continue to think whatever we thought of those not like us (be that socially, ethnically, religiously, racially or whatever) but we tended to hold our mouths under some control. Having survived the World Wars nobody was willing to risk provoking them anew.

5. Well, this is, increasingly, no longer the case. The generation which survived the wars is gone. Their children do not understand where the politeness conventions are coming from: they think these are elite plots to subdue the straight-talking simple folk.

6. Trump has done away with courtesies of the recent decades and his supporters love it. Well, I view my role here as educational. I am performing, of course and I am being nasty and offensive. I do this for a reason. You have insisted on taking away the veneer of civilization that has maintained peace. Well, live with it. Smell the urine. Alas, unless we collectively recoil, soon we all will be smelling blood.

Yes, I am scared. And I am screaming.

You make is sound as if Donald Trump is the key to all problems facing the world and people lives today. That makes you sound dishonest about any beliefs you espouse.

[MK]

Ok. Let me make a serious statement, for once.

1. I, actually, understand where the Trump support is coming from. Yes, there are many people in the US who feel that "the elites" are usurping the power, do not care about them, do not share their values, etc. I, of course, do not share those sentiments, but I do see how this can be a strong feeling.

2. This feeling is not limited to the US, of course. In fact, in much of the world the same feeling of impotent rage against the elites that many Americans feel domestically is directed against all Americans as a group. Aren't Americans the worldwide "elite"? Many Russians, for instance, would, as a matter of course, answer in the affirmative. The world, in their worldview, is governed by the "Washington obkom".

3. Of course, there are no real elites governing the world. Society is a complex organism, and no group of people can control or direct it. Nor is there a cohesive group with alligned interests that could try to do so. The world, really, is a lot more chaotic than many people suppose.

4. Miraculously, this chaos over the last 70 years has been, at least in the "first world", resolved without major conflagrations that had been the norm for most of our history, and remain the norm in many places till now. This has been achieved, in great part, because after the catastrophe of the two world wars societies converged to some modicum of political and social moderation. They say that Mexicans are so polite (and Mexican conventions are those of exaggerated politeness) because 100 years ago an impolite word could have resulted in shooting. In a sense, the same has been true of our societies in general. We could continue to think whatever we thought of those not like us (be that socially, ethnically, religiously, racially or whatever) but we tended to hold our mouths under some control. Having survived the World Wars nobody was willing to risk provoking them anew.

5. Well, this is, increasingly, no longer the case. The generation which survived the wars is gone. Their children do not understand where the politeness conventions are coming from: they think these are elite plots to subdue the straight-talking simple folk.

6. Trump has done away with courtesies of the recent decades and his supporters love it. Well, I view my role here as educational. I am performing, of course and I am being nasty and offensive. I do this for a reason. You have insisted on taking away the veneer of civilization that has maintained peace. Well, live with it. Smell the urine. Alas, unless we collectively recoil, soon we all will be smelling blood.

Yes, I am scared. And I am screaming.

You make is sound as if Donald Trump is the key to all problems facing the world

No, not Trump. Trump's supporters. The are the "deplorables". Trump is a run-of-the-mill scoundrel. His supporters are much worse.

Racial relations got worse under a liberal black president.  Just saying..

[MK]

Racial relations got worse under a liberal black president.  Just saying..

Have they? In whose eyes?

According to the left.  

You know rogue white policemen are going out onto the streets of America and shooting every black male in sight.  

[MK]

You know rogue white policemen are going out onto the streets of America and shooting every black male in sight.  

The have been doing that since times immemorial. It is just that recently people (of all races, though, of course, not you) started objecting to it. If you consider that "deterioration", I will have to disagree. I find that a major improvement.

I realize that you are upset that killing blacks is no longer viewed as innocent fun, but, if I were you, I would keep that sentiment private.

This is ridiculous and once again dishonest of you.  People with your view are 10x more dangerous than any white Trump supporter could ever be.

No one views murder as innocent fun but of course anarchist types.

[MK]

You know rogue white policemen are going out onto the streets of America and shooting every black male in sight.  

The have been doing that since times immemorial. It is just that recently people (of all races, though, of course, not you) started objecting to it. If you consider that "deterioration", I will have to disagree. I find that a major improvement.

I realize that you are upset that killing blacks is no longer viewed as innocent fun, but, if I were you, I would keep that sentiment private.

This is ridiculous and once again dishonest of you.  People with your view are 10x more dangerous than any white Trump supporter could ever be.

No one views murder as innocent fun but of course anarchist types.

Well, seems like you are an anarchist then.

A deplorable anarchist.

No more than far leftist posters that believe 50% of the other political parties voters should be exiled from the country  

I was referring to those anarchists that also partake in disruptions of political events and other constitutional protected activities.   Ag you approve of that type of stuff right?

[MK]

  Ag you approve of that type of stuff right?

I am a solid conservative, who believes in the traditional right of vigorous violent protest, yes.

But, unlike you, I dislike murder and murderers.

Fixed.

[MK]

  Ag you approve of that type of stuff right?

I am a solid conservative, who believes in the traditional right of vigorous violent protest, yes.

But, unlike you, I dislike murder and murderers.

Fixed.

I am happy you do no disagree about your personal predilection for outright murder. I can respect honesty, even if it comes from a self-declared fascist (though, of course, I still detest the fascist).

Have you stopped participating in lynchings?

Have you stopped participating in the sell of aborted fetuses ?

[MK]

  Ag you approve of that type of stuff right?

I am a solid conservative, who believes in the traditional right of vigorous violent protest, yes.

But, unlike you, I dislike murder and murderers.

Fixed.

I am happy you do no disagree about your personal predilection for outright murder. I can respect honesty, even if it comes from a self-declared fascist (though, of course, I still detest the fascist).

Have you stopped participating in lynchings?

Have you stopped participating in the sell of aborted fetuses ?

No. Alas, I do not get enough of those anymore. Too much competition in this business.

You should learn how to answer simple questions.

For a moderator you shouldn't post such ridiculous nonsense.

You should maybe delete your account.

[MK]

You should never bash American voters as a presidential candidate.

[MK]

You should never bash American voters as a presidential candidate.

News Flash.
We "Americans" are not perfect people.
There are scums among us. Call them out for what they are.

Shall we start with the Colin Kaepernicks and other flag burning anarchists?

[MK]

You should never bash American voters as a presidential candidate.

News Flash.
We "Americans" are not perfect people.
There are scums among us. Call them out for what they are.

Shall we start with the Colin Kaepernicks and other flag burning anarchists?

Take that up with the first amendment.

The leftist like to bring up protected amendments when it suits their anti-American grandstanding.  When the other side wants to walk around with guns you go completely ape sh**t.

[MK]

Sort your life out.

Why the personal attack?   Left wingers in this thread are ridiculous for embracement of Hillary's deplorable gaffe.  My original statement was not a attack on either side but a universal statement.  The previous poster attempted to use the good ole Constitution in defense.  That's fine, but remember there's more than just the 1st amendment. 

Had Trump made the same gaffe you would be the first to start a thread saying how awful he his.

[MK]

You should never bash American voters as a presidential candidate.

News Flash.
We "Americans" are not perfect people.
There are scums among us. Call them out for what they are.

Shall we start with the Colin Kaepernicks and other flag burning anarchists?

Take that up with the first amendment.

The leftist like to bring up protected amendments when it suits their anti-American grandstanding.  When the other side wants to walk around with guns you go completely ape sh**t.

Nah .... not really.
We only go "ape sh*t" when said individuals who freely "walk around with guns," end up killing our young children in our elementary schools.
"Shall we start with" Sandy Hook Elementary School ?

(Strange how I recall an interview with the parents of one of the children who perished, and how they were supporters of lenient gun control laws, until the had to bury their own child six-feet under the ground. Sad.)

This is not a gun control thread so I will only say that its your right to bear arms if you choose to do so.  Sandy Hook is irrelevant to the conversation.

Hillary Clinton demeaning voters (hard working Americans) to a bunch of gay liberals is "sad".