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Battista Minola 1616
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« on: December 17, 2020, 10:10:05 AM »

Hades, sometimes you give me the impression that you are not able to grasp why a leftist should care about religious freedom at all. Do you even realize that not every leftist is an aggressive laicist? Heck some leftists are even devout religious people.

I know that this is a very European topic, as the US doesn't face the same problems as we do thanks to their restricting immigration policy and thanks to their non-existing welfare system and thanks to their merciless legal system and thanks to their lack of child allowance.

WTF is wrong with you again?
You sound exactly like a racist right-winger in a white flight suburb opposing any form of public transport because the scary mean inner-city hoodlums (read: Black people) would benefit from it as well.

It's basically only one extremist user who derails all treads he contributes to by spreading alternative facts and not acknowledging reliable sources that invalidate his points of views. It's like discussing with a left-wing QAnon sympathizer, who is completely unamenable for arguments. It's a pity that that rookie transferred his Twitter-style of "discussing" - which also right-wing extremists are known for - into our forum.

LMAO The projection.

Btw, MY opinion of this topic is absolutely mainstream and common sense among European society, which isn't even in need of discussion where I come from.

Dude, thinking that Islam per se is a right-wing extremist and unconstitutional ideology or that we should gut all welfare to keep the Moozleems away is really not mainstream among European society.
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Battista Minola 1616
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2020, 10:52:05 AM »


Well...

we don't.

This thread was clearly not meant for serious discussion of Muslims' political leanings.
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Battista Minola 1616
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2020, 01:29:44 PM »

...and now Hades has the Christian cross emoji as display name and a Christian cross image as signature.

No comment.
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Battista Minola 1616
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2020, 08:48:30 AM »


*: Unlike PR; I would say that the word racism here is indeed inaccurate because islam is not a race; but that doesn't mean that the discrimination is justified either.

If you want to talk about racism you could however talk about racism against arabs though. A surprisingly popular take I've seen is that "black illegal immigrants are ok and want to just work and live an honest life; arabs are not because they only come to do crimes


What the hell? Who says that? I've never heard it from anyone (although I've heard takes along the lines of "blacks are ok because they are mostly christians; arabs are not because they are muslims").
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Battista Minola 1616
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2020, 09:20:03 AM »

My first post in this thread was, probably rightly, modified for personal attack, so I'll reiterate a more polite and composed version of the jao that plenty of OP's remarks on this are actually profoundly, savagely right-wing, not just a center-left style that current leftist orthodoxy finds uncomfortably laicist. "American criminal justice and welfare policy are better than ours because the Mussulmen can't benefit from them" is almost a parody of something a hardcore European right-winger would think.

Your first post was a hard truth censored by the powers that be.
Also, it's not the first time someone supposedly not right-wing makes savagely right-wing takes about the undesirables, is it? And of course the Christian cross thing is icing on the cake (Trump's Bible photo-op and Salvini's performative rosary fetish say hello).
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Battista Minola 1616
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2020, 09:49:36 AM »

*: Unlike PR; I would say that the word racism here is indeed inaccurate because islam is not a race; but that doesn't mean that the discrimination is justified either.

If you want to talk about racism you could however talk about racism against arabs though. A surprisingly popular take I've seen is that "black illegal immigrants are ok and want to just work and live an honest life; arabs are not because they only come to do crimes


What the hell? Who says that? I've never heard it from anyone (although I've heard takes along the lines of "blacks are ok because they are mostly christians; arabs are not because they are muslims").

Not about illegal immigrants, but certainly in the UK the far-right prefers to direct their ire at British Muslims rather than black Britons, who, unlike in the 80s, they mostly ignore now.

Were there more Black people than Muslims in the UK in the 1980's? I know that today the opposite is definitely true (of course the current fixation with Muslims is not an exclusively British thing).
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