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Author Topic: Hedge fund tries to short Gamestop, now gets short squeezed by R/wallstreetbets  (Read 10855 times)
TiltsAreUnderrated
Junior Chimp
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« on: January 28, 2021, 11:59:28 AM »
« edited: January 28, 2021, 12:02:33 PM by TiltsAreUnderrated »

So much for the free market lmao

It's another confirmation that an unrestricted free market (in the Reaganite sense) is inherently unstable. The US' current mode of capitalism has crossed the Rubicon: older and richer investors have bought power in the right places and leveraged that to keep everyone else down.

I'm still glad this happened, rather than angry. The destruction of one hedge fund was unlikely to make a dent in Wall Street, but the elites' class-conscious response will drop the scales from the eyes of many talented folk who could go on to work against it.
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TiltsAreUnderrated
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2021, 12:22:26 PM »



It will be hilarious when AOC (and Ted Lieu, who posted a similar Tweet) when they realize that WallStreetBets was once moderated by Martin Shkreli the Pharma Bro, fully embodies his attitudes, and has substantial overlap with MAGA (which has already been noted by several media outlets). Defending r/WSB brigading/market manipulation is not the hill they want to be dying on.

I doubt they care. Whatever their partisan preferences prior to this debacle, the ideology of the bear-raiding hedge fund that was targeted is worse and - more importantly - it has brought about far more actual harm. It's the power dynamics that matter here and I don't think I'm alone on the left in seeing an attempt at popular organisation being suppressed by greedy oligarchs.

Edit: The remains of Resistance Twitter and dishonest political actors misrepresenting them may defend Wall Street's manipulations under the pretext of "stopping hate speech," but I think that will be less effective now that Trump is no longer president (I think people have gradually been growing wiser to it anyway).
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TiltsAreUnderrated
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2021, 01:38:17 PM »



It will be hilarious when AOC (and Ted Lieu, who posted a similar Tweet) when they realize that WallStreetBets was once moderated by Martin Shkreli the Pharma Bro, fully embodies his attitudes, and has substantial overlap with MAGA (which has already been noted by several media outlets). Defending r/WSB brigading/market manipulation is not the hill they want to be dying on.

I doubt they care. Whatever their partisan preferences prior to this debacle, the ideology of the bear-raiding hedge fund that was targeted is worse and - more importantly - it has brought about far more actual harm. It's the power dynamics that matter here and I don't think I'm alone on the left in seeing an attempt at popular organisation being suppressed by greedy oligarchs.

Then they should push the SEC and the exchanges for restrictions on short selling, not cheering blatant collusion and market manipulation. If this maneuver were tried by a group of institutional investors, or god forbid a group of bulge bracket banks which if unrestricted would have the capacity to drive any stock to 0 or infinity at will, the SEC would shut them down immediately.

This reads like the "They should go and vote," argument about protesting police brutality in places which have seen brutal policing remain intact regardless of electoral politics. Democracy isn't just voting, and if federal regulators refuse to act proportionately on obvious Wall Street abuse for a sustained period, nonviolent resistance should commence (the short squeeze could have indirectly acted as a restriction on short selling and much bigger market manipulation than the retail investors were capable of).

It's definitely wrong in a vacuum but no worse than the illegal bear raids which probably brought Melvin Capitol to this point. These have not been acted against by the SEC, and nor have crimes far worse in magnitude.

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Brokers are clearly taking provisional actions to calm down the situation in advance of new regulations against this sort of brigading, which will likely be coming from the SEC.

They are still allowing stocks to be sold. This is a giveaway to the shorters.

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You can't even say this is the "noble little guys" against "Big Bad Wall Street" when the set of "noble little guys" is full of disreputable characters.

Their character matters less than the power disparity (with Big Bad Wall Street still on the other end). That's the point about fighting for the little guy: if we assume a hierarchy is unjust, where he is in said hierarchy matters much more than who he is.
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TiltsAreUnderrated
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2021, 03:28:00 PM »

1. These "ordinary Americans" are free to close their positions and collect their 1000% profit.

2. Melvin Capital and Citron Research have closed out their shorts at massive losses. To say the "big guy" will win is untrue.

3. The behavior of AMC/GME stocks the last few days is totally unnatural and unhealthy. It was caused by collusion among market actors. These are prohibited behaviors, if institutional market participants colluded like this the SEC would shut them down immediately. The fact that retail investors were able to collude using Reddit as a forum is a loophole and I'm sure the SEC is studying this situation now. New regulations (on retail brokers probably, maybe additional scrutiny on forums like r/WSB) will be coming to address this behavior.

Basically the WSB logic is very similar to the MAGA logic on the morning of Jan. 6, "We're going to have an armed protest and storm the Capitol, we're on the right side since we're overturning the stolen election, nothing's going to happen to us since the police are undermanned and on our side, what could go wrong?"



The key difference is that the election wasn't rigged for Biden but the market was rigged for Wall Street. If the election had been rigged, marching on Washington would probably have been justified.

This is part of why there is much more value in going after the dishonest Trumpian "thought leaders" than the criminally stupid.
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