What is your opinion on Republicans who support Donald Trump?

[cinyc]

I get it - 90% of Atlas Democrats are very intolerant toward those who share different political views. As usual, “tolerance” is a one-way street.  Were they even alive at the time, they would have made the same bogus “argument” against those who supported President Bush, President Reagan or any other Republican - you support a politician I don’t like, so you’re evil scum.

What they don’t understand is that this type of attitude is precisely why we got Trump in the first place. No, those who disagree with you politically aren’t “deplorable” or “evil”. Calling them such names because of their political beliefs only harden them against your position.

Issues matter. Say what you want about the President, but at least he’s not turned out to be a gun-grabbing, late-term abortion loving scold who wants to take away our cars and hamburgers in the name of “climate change” and strip tax-exempt status from churches that dare not bend to the liberal orthodoxy of the day. Paraphrasing Ronald Reagan, most voters realize that their 80% friend is not their 20% enemy.

[cinyc]

I get it - 90% of Atlas Democrats are very intolerant toward those who share different political views. As usual, “tolerance” is a one-way street.  Were they even alive at the time, they would have made the same bogus “argument” against those who supported President Bush, President Reagan or any other Republican - you support a politician I don’t like, so you’re evil scum.

WRONG.

It's not about abortion and taxes and guns for the most part. It's about incompetence, untrustworthiness, destroying America's reputation, national security, being the country the Constitution and Statue of Liberty indicate that we are, treating foreigners and asylum seekers with human dignity, democracy, three seperate but EQUAL branches of government, rule of law, accountability, foreign influence, corruption, partisanship in the most inappropriate situations, doing right by Americans and our allies, and a piece of s__t we should NOT be using as any sort of role model setting the political and cultural tone for the whole country, including taking 2 days to condemn white nationalist terrorists and usong the bully pulpit to attack those with legitimate criticisms.

But at the end of the day, support for Trump IS about abortion and guns and immigration and other issues. If Trump were not delivering for his base on his issues - or at least stopping the “progressive” “advance” on them, his support would be much lower. Issues matter. Judges matter.

And I stand by my point - most Atlas Democrats would be - or have - said the same thing about supporters of President Bush, and had this forum been around earlier, the other President Bush and President Reagan.

[cinyc]

I’m sorry but this is ridiculous cinyc you’re a grown ass adult you can’t tell me that you can legitimately look at Trump’s conduct and think that liberal outrage towards him is just fake partisan outrage. Like you legitimately think Romney or Jeb would be causing such social upheaval?

I never said fake partisan outrage. But it is partisan outrage. Some Democrats have been out to impeach and remove Trump since the day after he was elected. That’s a fact. There were marches in NYC far before Trump even became President.

Every Republican President I can remember has faced similar “criticism” from the left - they were evil and their supporters were even worse. So, yes, I legitimately think there would have been the same “arguments” made againt Romney supporters.

[cinyc]

I get it - 90% of Atlas Democrats are very intolerant toward those who share different political views. As usual, “tolerance” is a one-way street.  Were they even alive at the time, they would have made the same bogus “argument” against those who supported President Bush, President Reagan or any other Republican - you support a politician I don’t like, so you’re evil scum.

WRONG.

It's not about abortion and taxes and guns for the most part. It's about incompetence, untrustworthiness, destroying America's reputation, national security, being the country the Constitution and Statue of Liberty indicate that we are, treating foreigners and asylum seekers with human dignity, democracy, three seperate but EQUAL branches of government, rule of law, accountability, foreign influence, corruption, partisanship in the most inappropriate situations, doing right by Americans and our allies, and a piece of s__t we should NOT be using as any sort of role model setting the political and cultural tone for the whole country, including taking 2 days to condemn white nationalist terrorists and usong the bully pulpit to attack those with legitimate criticisms.

But at the end of the day, support for Trump IS about abortion and guns and immigration and other issues. If Trump were not delivering for his base on his issues - or at least stopping the “progressive” “advance” on them, his support would be much lower. Issues matter. Judges matter.

And I stand by my point - most Atlas Democrats would be - or have - said the same thing about supporters of President Bush, and had this forum been around earlier, the other President Bush and President Reagan.

If Republicans had their priorities straight and actually believed in American values, all the stuff I mentoned wluld be more important to them than guns and abortion.

Your priorites aren’t the same as most Republicans. And that’s okay. Claiming that they don’t beleive in “American values” because they disagree with your priorities is a bit rich. In America, we’re allowed to have different political priorities than the Democrats dictate. It’s a free country.

[cinyc]

I’m sorry but this is ridiculous cinyc you’re a grown ass adult you can’t tell me that you can legitimately look at Trump’s conduct and think that liberal outrage towards him is just fake partisan outrage. Like you legitimately think Romney or Jeb would be causing such social upheaval?

I never said fake partisan outrage. But it is partisan outrage. Some Democrats have been out to impeach and remove Trump since the day after he was elected. That’s a fact. There were marches in NYC far before Trump even became President.

He's been in open violation of the Emoluments Clause(s) since the day he pretended to take office.

The federal courts disagree with that.

And President Trump didn’t “pretend” to take office. You may not like it, but he actually did.

[cinyc]

I get it - 90% of Atlas Democrats are very intolerant toward those who share different political views. As usual, “tolerance” is a one-way street.  Were they even alive at the time, they would have made the same bogus “argument” against those who supported President Bush, President Reagan or any other Republican - you support a politician I don’t like, so you’re evil scum.

WRONG.

It's not about abortion and taxes and guns for the most part. It's about incompetence, untrustworthiness, destroying America's reputation, national security, being the country the Constitution and Statue of Liberty indicate that we are, treating foreigners and asylum seekers with human dignity, democracy, three seperate but EQUAL branches of government, rule of law, accountability, foreign influence, corruption, partisanship in the most inappropriate situations, doing right by Americans and our allies, and a piece of s__t we should NOT be using as any sort of role model setting the political and cultural tone for the whole country, including taking 2 days to condemn white nationalist terrorists and usong the bully pulpit to attack those with legitimate criticisms.

But at the end of the day, support for Trump IS about abortion and guns and immigration and other issues. If Trump were not delivering for his base on his issues - or at least stopping the “progressive” “advance” on them, his support would be much lower. Issues matter. Judges matter.

And I stand by my point - most Atlas Democrats would be - or have - said the same thing about supporters of President Bush, and had this forum been around earlier, the other President Bush and President Reagan.

If Republicans had their priorities straight and actually believed in American values, all the stuff I mentoned wluld be more important to them than guns and abortion.

Your priorites aren’t the same as most Republicans. And that’s okay. Claiming that they don’t beleive in “American values” because they disagree with your priorities is a bit rich. In America, we’re allowed to have different political priorities than the Democrats dictate. It’s a free country.

Again you’re decrying leftist Atlas posters for using rhetoric the right uses all the time. Hell accusing your opponent of not having American values because they disagree with you has been a stable of republican rhetoric since Nixon

So what? Maybe neither side should be doing that.

But it’s a free country - feel free to use whatever rhetoric you want. You probably won’t be hauled before a human “rights” tribunal to atone for your speech crime, unlike in Canada - at least yet. Let Beto or one of the Democratic candidates become President, and you might.

[cinyc]

I get it - 90% of Atlas Democrats are very intolerant toward those who share different political views. As usual, “tolerance” is a one-way street.  Were they even alive at the time, they would have made the same bogus “argument” against those who supported President Bush, President Reagan or any other Republican - you support a politician I don’t like, so you’re evil scum.

What they don’t understand is that this type of attitude is precisely why we got Trump in the first place. No, those who disagree with you politically aren’t “deplorable” or “evil”. Calling them such names because of their political beliefs only harden them against your position.

Issues matter. Say what you want about the President, but at least he’s not turned out to be a gun-grabbing, late-term abortion loving scold who wants to take away our cars and hamburgers in the name of “climate change” and strip tax-exempt status from churches that dare not bend to the liberal orthodoxy of the day. Paraphrasing Ronald Reagan, most voters realize that their 80% friend is not their 20% enemy.

Supporting criminal acts is considered a political view now?  Sad.  Myself and many others like me don't have an issue with Trump because of his politics such abortion, taxes, etc.  I have a problem with him because he willingly breaks the law over & over again.  Thats not a political issue.  Our country won't survive if that is normalized and swept under the rug as "political views".

Some people will look past alleged “criminal acts”, especially if they think the “criminality” of those acts are being ginned up by hyper-partisans who literally hate the President and them. This is doubly true when those people like Trump’s poisiton on abortion, taxes, etc. Again, to many, their 80% friend is not their 20% enemy.

That doesn’t make those people evil, like practically every Democratic poster on this thread has claimed. That makes them realists.

[cinyc]

I get it - 90% of Atlas Democrats are very intolerant toward those who share different political views. As usual, “tolerance” is a one-way street.  Were they even alive at the time, they would have made the same bogus “argument” against those who supported President Bush, President Reagan or any other Republican - you support a politician I don’t like, so you’re evil scum.

What they don’t understand is that this type of attitude is precisely why we got Trump in the first place. No, those who disagree with you politically aren’t “deplorable” or “evil”. Calling them such names because of their political beliefs only harden them against your position.

Issues matter. Say what you want about the President, but at least he’s not turned out to be a gun-grabbing, late-term abortion loving scold who wants to take away our cars and hamburgers in the name of “climate change” and strip tax-exempt status from churches that dare not bend to the liberal orthodoxy of the day. Paraphrasing Ronald Reagan, most voters realize that their 80% friend is not their 20% enemy.

Supporting criminal acts is considered a political view now?  Sad.  Myself and many others like me don't have an issue with Trump because of his politics such abortion, taxes, etc.  I have a problem with him because he willingly breaks the law over & over again.  Thats not a political issue.  Our country won't survive if that is normalized and swept under the rug as "political views".

Some people will look past alleged “criminal acts”, especially if they think the “criminality” of those acts are being ginned up by hyper-partisans who literally hate the President and them. This is doubly true when those people like Trump’s poisiton on abortion, taxes, etc. Again, to many, their 80% friend is not their 20% enemy.

That doesn’t make those people evil, like practically every Democratic poster on this thread has claimed. That makes them realists.

Asking a foreign power to investigate a political opponent with the intention of influencing our elections isn't like getting a parking ticket.  Its not a low level campaign finance violation.  Its not even equivalent to Watergate.  This isn't even an allegation.  This is what Trump SAYS he is doing.  I'll stand by what I said.

And I’ll stand by what I said - the more you call people evil or “deplorable” for failing to agree with you, the less likely they are to agree with you or believe your allegations, even if true.

[cinyc]

Mean people on twitter doesn't excuse support for authoritarianism/foreign election interference.  I wish Republicans weren't so sensitive.  Their feelings are literally tearing this country apart.

"Basket of deplorables" Hillary Clinton wasn't some "mean person on Twitter". She was your party's presidential candidate. And why is it that only the people who disagree with you are "sensitive" and "tearing this country apart?"

[cinyc]

Mean people on twitter doesn't excuse support for authoritarianism/foreign election interference.  I wish Republicans weren't so sensitive.  Their feelings are literally tearing this country apart.

"Basket of deplorables" Hillary Clinton wasn't some "mean person on Twitter". She was your party's presidential candidate. And why is it that only the people who disagree with you are "sensitive" and "tearing this country apart?"

Ah yes, basket of deplorables.  The one quote that every Trump supporter will turn to in a heart beat.  Its been discussed to death, dissected, and apoligized for.  It did sound pretty bad in 2016 I have to agree.  Sadly, you only have to listen to about 5 minutes of a Trump 2020 rally to see that this was a very tame description.  I won't even begin to try and transcribe the quotes from his recent rallys on here - I'd probably get banned.  We're far, far beyond "basket of deplorables" in our political discourse.  It honestly sounds so tame in the Trump era that it is almost cute.


The "sensitive" people are tearing this country apart because they're supporting a President who openly and proudly colludes with foreign governments to interfere in our elections.  I haven't even heard a rebuttal from you on this topic, amazingly.  You're just bringing up Hillary, from THREE years ago.  Please address the President asking for a foreign government to investigate Joe Biden with a straight face.

I don't want this to get bogged down into a debate on impeachment, but please explain why are the actions of the former Vice President and his son beyond scrutiny. If the son's name were Eric or Donald Trump, Jr., all the red avatars here and everyone on MSNBC wouldn't be talking about "foreign interference in elections" but the "crimes" those sons committed. So please explain why Biden should get a pass just because he happens to be running for President.

At the end of the day, many Republicans don't view this whole thing as "foreign interference" in an election, but trumped up political charges brought by Democrats who have been trying to remove the President for any and every reason since the day he was elected.

And I'm sure if the Obama administration were asking foreign governments for dirt on Trump back in 2015/16, you'd condemn that too, right?

[cinyc]

Never, ever said that Biden's son is beyond scrutiny.  We're talking about asking a foreign governement to investigate a man because he's running for President.  If you think Biden's son committed a crime (or Biden), sure, please elaborate on what crime you think he committed?  We have a functioning criminal justice system in this country that is capable of investigating potential crimes.  I've yet to hear from Trump a single crime that he thinks Joe Biden committed.  If you've heard Trump articulate an alleged crime that needs to be pursued, please let me and everyone else know.  Our criminal justice system, especially under Bill Barr, would definitely pick that up and begin an investigation.  So far, all I've heard from Trump is that we need to "look into" Biden.  Trump is not a law enforcement officer.  Its not his job to investigate anyone.  Period.

If Republicans don't view this as foreign interference, I unfortunately can't change ignorance.  Do you have another word for asking the Ukrainian Prime Minister to investigate Joe Biden?  Can you explain why Trump NEVER expressed an interest in this supposed issue until the Democratic Primary commeneced?  Can you, again, name a single crime that there is evidence Biden committed?

How do you expect the Attorney General to investigate the Bidens' potentially criminal activity in Ukraine without help from Ukraine? That's precisely what Trump asked the Ukranian President to do - cooperate with the AG about potential wrongdoing.

As for the alleged "crime", Joe Biden bragged on tape that he got the former Ukraine AG-equivalent prosecutor fired. That prosecutor claims he was fired because he was looking into the company for which Hunter Biden was on the board of directors. Don't American people deserve to know whether the sitting Vice President of the United States was abusing his power to enrich his son? Why are Democrats so scared that Trump asked for this to be investigated? Are they afraid of the answer?

And you're damn right I would have called Obama out if he did that.  It would have been a repugnant abuse of his office.

I'll hold you to that once the U.S. Attorney for Connecticut's probe into the origins of the Russian investigation is complete.

[cinyc]

Yes, we would. That's the difference between us and the so-called party of personal responsibility.

I'll hold you to that once the U.S. Attorney for Connecticut's investigation into the origins of the Russia probe are complete, too.

And I'm sure that you wouldn't want to get bogged down in a debate about impeachment as you call it. That would just prove that you are Republican first and American second. And you're crying and whining and moaning and simpering about but the Democrats would do it to just makes you seem pathetic. Pathetic.

This whole idea that if you oppose impeachment you're not an American is pure, unadulterated BS. Sorry. This isn't a dictatorship where anything but the Badger way (a.k.a. the Democratic party way) is "un-American." Funny how dissent from the Democratic party line is never "patriotic" - but "un-American" or racist or some other ist, and Republicans can't be Americans, too.

[cinyc]

One. You keep yammering on about this debunked Connecticut investigation of the Russian probe. This is a fundamental problem. Right-wingers like you are basically the equivalent of flat earthers. You believe in s*** that does not exist, and thus trying to convince you to fax is useless.

That's not debunked. It is ongoing.

Two. Supporting. A complete. Breakdown. Of. Checks. And. Balances. Along. With. Widespread. Unparalleled. Corruption. By. The. President. Is. Not. A. Partisan. Position!

Good to see that you blatantly support party over country. Hack.

Republicans claimed there was a "complete breakdown of checks and balances" during the Obama administration. They even held Eric Holder in contempt of Congress, if I recall correctly. That wasn't true then. It's not true now. Checks and balances are working just fine. Things have a way of working themselves out, even on impeachment.

I'm old enough to remember when Democrats like you said the same thing about "unparalleled corruption" about practically every previous Republican president - and Republicans about previous Democratic presidents. Wasn't true then. Isn't true now. Crying wolf in the past doesn't help make anyone believe you today, either.

And sorry, people who disagree with you aren't un-American or putting party over country. Incessantly repeating that claim doesn't make it so. Dissent is supposed to be patriotic, right? Apparently, that only applies to dissent by Democrats like you.

[cinyc]

One. You keep yammering on about this debunked Connecticut investigation of the Russian probe. This is a fundamental problem. Right-wingers like you are basically the equivalent of flat earthers. You believe in s*** that does not exist, and thus trying to convince you to fax is useless.

That's not debunked. It is ongoing.

Two. Supporting. A complete. Breakdown. Of. Checks. And. Balances. Along. With. Widespread. Unparalleled. Corruption. By. The. President. Is. Not. A. Partisan. Position!

Good to see that you blatantly support party over country. Hack.

Republicans claimed there was a "complete breakdown of checks and balances" during the Obama administration. They even held Eric Holder in contempt of Congress, if I recall correctly. That wasn't true then. It's not true now. Checks and balances are working just fine. Things have a way of working themselves out, even on impeachment.

I'm old enough to remember when Democrats like you said the same thing about "unparalleled corruption" about practically every previous Republican president - and Republicans about previous Democratic presidents. Wasn't true then. Isn't true now. Crying wolf in the past doesn't help make anyone believe you today, either.

And sorry, people who disagree with you aren't un-American or putting party over country. Incessantly repeating that claim doesn't make it so. Dissent is supposed to be patriotic, right? Apparently, that only applies to dissent by Democrats like you.

If Republicans really believed that there was a real break down and checks and balances because of Eric Holder under the Obama Administration, but did so because they truly value America not because Obama was a democrat in Trump is a republican, the relative complaints under Obama would be bordering on armed Insurrection under Trump. That's the point. They give Trump a pass for things which are by any objective standards literally a hundred times worse on the score because he's a republican pursuing their policies. You are evidently exhibit any of this contemptible mentality.

You just don't get it, do you? Writing off a fundamental salt on the American system of checks and balances is not a " disagreement of political views". There is nothing warranting respect of " differing opinions" on the subject if you have an ounce of patriotism. Disagree on abortion? Fine. Taxes? Ditto? Universal healthcare? I believe you were abused posing it lead to economic inefficiency and pernicious levels of hardship Trotter country, but at least you have the right to your opinion. However, saying that trumps fundamental wannabe authoritarian actions are not up for dispute if you anything remotely resembling an American. And this goes ee, no, * 10, for any right-wing partisan hack such as yourself who whined about such so-called abuses of authority under Obama, but are blind such abuse has magnified by a hundred so long as it's their guy.

This isn't about difference of opinion. It's whether or not you were willing to accept a fundamental assault on checks and balances and limitations on the power of the presidency, Plus blatantly and shamelessly using the Oval Office for corrupt self-dealing, so long as it's someone from your party.

The only difference of opinion here is whether or not you're an unpatriotic partisan hack or not. Thank you for confirming the former.

( post yammering on about difference of opinions and how Democrats can't accept them, completely ignoring the substance of my post, in coming in five... 4... 3...)

To be honest, I have a hard time following your response, probably because your dictation software stinks.

What assault on checks and balances? Like I said, these things have a way of working themselves out. The House hasn’t voted for a formal impeachment inquiry yet. There will likely be cooperation when they do. Until then, the administration has an absolute right to claim executive privilege, like for any other routine House investigation.

And what shamelessly using the Oval Office for corrupt self-dealing? Trump is losing money by being president, not making it. The MSNBC-driven Emoluments clause conspiracy theory has been debunked by the federal courts.

Despite claiming to be a Republican, you don’t like President Trump or any other Republican politician. And that’s okay. It’s your right. But calling those who support Trump un-American is pure BS.

[cinyc]

Ugh.. I just want Cynic to tell me what the crime is that he thinks Joe Biden allegedly committed?  The crime that requires the President to conduct his own personal investigation outside boundries of US law enforcement?

Please... don't keep me waiting.

If the investigation shows that Biden used his influence to help his son’s companies, that’s using the office of the Vice President to enrich his son - a derivation of bribery. I suspect that if you exchanged the name “Hunter Biden” with “Eric Trump”, you and all the red avatars would clearly see that.

[cinyc]

In what way are you alleging he did that?

That's what an investigation might or might not show.

Which companies did he help?

Burisma Holdings - where Hunter Biden was on the board of directors.

How did getting a prosecutor who refused to investigate corporate fraud  eplaced with one who would help?

By stopping an investigation into Hunter Biden's company. IIRC, the Ukranian AG was replaced by someone who wasn't even a lawyer.

Why does Biden (allegedly) being a crook make supporting Mr. Trump (who publicly brags about his crimes) in any way acceptable?

Asking for an investigation of a potential crime is a crime how?

Again, I suspect if you replaced "Hunter Biden" with "Eric Trump", 90% of the red avatars would be screaming to high heavens that Trump committed a crime and Biden, in calling for an investigation of it, did no wrong.

[cinyc]

Ugh.. I just want Cynic to tell me what the crime is that he thinks Joe Biden allegedly committed?  The crime that requires the President to conduct his own personal investigation outside boundries of US law enforcement?

Please... don't keep me waiting.

If the investigation shows that Biden used his influence to help his son’s companies, that’s using the office of the Vice President to enrich his son - a derivation of bribery. I suspect that if you exchanged the name “Hunter Biden” with “Eric Trump”, you and all the red avatars would clearly see that.

If it was really about investigating crimes, why did Trump send Rudy Giuliani, his personal attorney, to Ukraine to meet with their President? Seems like it was to help Trump personally.

He also asked the President of Ukraine to speak with the Attorney General about Biden and Bursima. Both men were investigating the origins of the Russian probe, and this came up during it.

[cinyc]

Ugh.. I just want Cynic to tell me what the crime is that he thinks Joe Biden allegedly committed?  The crime that requires the President to conduct his own personal investigation outside boundries of US law enforcement?

Please... don't keep me waiting.

If the investigation shows that Biden used his influence to help his son’s companies, that’s using the office of the Vice President to enrich his son - a derivation of bribery. I suspect that if you exchanged the name “Hunter Biden” with “Eric Trump”, you and all the red avatars would clearly see that.

You keep ignoring the question.  Investigation of WHAT?  We dont investigate people just because they’re running against the President.  Why are we investigating him?? This is what Im asking.  You’re not dumb.  I know you know this is wrong.

You already know why Biden was calling for the Prosecutor to be fired.  Every single news organization has reported it.  Stop making crap up dude!

I've told you about 5 times investigation of WHAT - misuse of the Vice President's office to benefit and enrich Biden's son. Again, if Hunter Biden's name were Eric Trump, I suspect you and most red avatars would be singing a different tune about opening up an investigation.

Just because "every single news organization" has "reported" why Biden claims he wanted the prosecutor to be fired doesn't make Biden's claim true. The fired Ukranian prosecutor has said under oath that he was fired to stop an investigation into Burisma Holdings, Biden's company. True or not, I don't know. But I know I don't take Joe Biden's word or the prosecutor's words at face value, nor should you or anyone else.

Asking someone to cooperate with the AG to investigate a potential crime isn't a crime. That's what the transcript shows Trump did. Let there be an investigation and the chips fall where they may. What are you, Biden and the Democrats afraid of?

[cinyc]

cinyc, how about you provide some evidence of your claims? (Preferable in a thread about Biden, rather than here where it's obvious that you're just trying to blow smoke so that Republicans don't have to face the reality that supporting Trump is indefensible.)

The fired prosecutor, Victor Shokin stated in a sworn affidavit:

"8. The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings ("Burisma"), a natural gas firm active in Ukraine, and Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors."

https://www.scribd.com/document/427618359/Shokin-Statement

As for the claim of thread hijacking, I said from the beginning that I do not really wish to discuss impeachment in this thread - you and your Democratic friends are the ones who keep harping on it. In fact, your Democrat friend, Badger, called me names for saying that I didn't wish to discuss this here.

[cinyc]

cinyc, how about you provide some evidence of your claims? (Preferable in a thread about Biden, rather than here where it's obvious that you're just trying to blow smoke so that Republicans don't have to face the reality that supporting Trump is indefensible.)

The fired prosecutor, Victor Shokin stated in a sworn affidavit:

"8. The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings ("Burisma"), a natural gas firm active in Ukraine, and Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors."

https://www.scribd.com/document/427618359/Shokin-Statement

I have replied in a more appropriate thread. I'm certainly not demanding you discuss impeachment as such in this specific thread. (There's a thread for that, too!) However, you have demonstrated an unwillingness to post on the topic here: Republicans who support Mr. Trump, despite his open criminal behavior, flagrant corruption and gross unfitness for the office he abuses. I can only conclude that you agree his behavior is unsupportable, but refuse to admit it. (Likely because it is not defensible, and those who do so only lower themselves by doing so, just like Rudy.)

I posted plenty about this. It's Democratic smear attempt to claim that 40+% of the population is stupid or evil or "un-American" because they support the President. That's a farce made up by partisan Democrats and disrespects 40+% of the electorate. It's also the type of crap that got Trump elected in the first place.

Call voters names at your own peril. Doing so will further galvanize Trump's base in 2020. And they're not going to vote for some "progressive" Democrat that they fundamentally disagree with on the issues, especially after Democrats call them every name in the book.

[cinyc]

cinyc, how about you provide some evidence of your claims? (Preferable in a thread about Biden, rather than here where it's obvious that you're just trying to blow smoke so that Republicans don't have to face the reality that supporting Trump is indefensible.)

The fired prosecutor, Victor Shokin stated in a sworn affidavit:

"8. The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings ("Burisma"), a natural gas firm active in Ukraine, and Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors."

https://www.scribd.com/document/427618359/Shokin-Statement

I have replied in a more appropriate thread. I'm certainly not demanding you discuss impeachment as such in this specific thread. (There's a thread for that, too!) However, you have demonstrated an unwillingness to post on the topic here: Republicans who support Mr. Trump, despite his open criminal behavior, flagrant corruption and gross unfitness for the office he abuses. I can only conclude that you agree his behavior is unsupportable, but refuse to admit it. (Likely because it is not defensible, and those who do so only lower themselves by doing so, just like Rudy.)

I posted plenty about this. It's Democratic smear attempt to claim that 40+% of the population is stupid or evil or "un-American" because they support the President. That's a farce made up by partisan Democrats and disrespects 40+% of the electorate. It's also the type of crap that got Trump elected in the first place.

Call voters names at your own peril. Doing so will further galvanize Trump's base in 2020. And they're not going to vote for some "progressive" Democrat that they fundamentally disagree with on the issues, especially after Democrats call them every name in the book.

So why does this offend you but how republicans talk about democrats don’t? Honestly don’t bother cause at this point it’s clear you’re a massive hypocrite

I've been pretty clear that calling voters names doesn't help, regardless of who does it. You don't gain anything by insulting your customers, period. No, people who support Democrats aren't stupid or dumb or evil, even if I fundamentally disagree with their candidate or politics.

You and most of the red avatars who posted in this thread, though, seem to think that 40+% of Americans are stupid/dumb/evil/hacks/hypocrites for supporting a politician you disagree with - and likely have thought so since before Trump was even elected. That's unfortunate. Most Americans are decent, kind people who thankfully care a lot less about politics than your average Atlas poster.

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If everybody just put cinyc on ignore or stopped responding to his nonsense, he'd probably go away.

You know, you're right. I just did. I feel better already considering his posts are so asshat. Hopefully other posters will follow suit. #ignorecinyc

As I’ve said before, I view using the ignore button as surrendering. It says more about the person using it than the person ignored. Unless the poster ignored is engaging in harrassing personal attacks - and I am not - it means that person ignoring is incapable of handling dissenting viewpoints. But it’s your right to use it.

You seem to want to live in an echo chamber that believes all Republican voters bad; Trump-supporting Republicans un-American and evil. There shall be no dissent from this view. Most of the real world outside of Atlas and fervent #resisters don’t think that.

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If everybody just put cinyc on ignore or stopped responding to his nonsense, he'd probably go away.

You know, you're right. I just did. I feel better already considering his posts are so asshat. Hopefully other posters will follow suit. #ignorecinyc

As I’ve said before, I view using the ignore button as surrendering. It says more about the person using it than the person ignored. Unless the poster ignored is engaging in harrassing personal attacks - and I am not - it means that person ignoring is incapable of handling dissenting viewpoints. But it’s your right to use it.

You seem to want to live in an echo chamber that believes all Republican voters bad; Trump-supporting Republicans un-American and evil. There shall be no dissent from this view. Most of the real world outside of Atlas and fervent #resisters don’t think that.

You seem to want to live in an echo chamber that believes all Republican / Trump policies are good; constructive FACT and LOGIC based criticism of Trump and Republicans automatically partisan opinion. There shall be no dissent from this view. Most of the real world outside of America and fervent Trumpists don’t think that.

Then why am I posting on U.S. Election Atlas? If I were afraid of dissenting views or wanted an echo chamber for pro-Trump views, this is probably the last place I’d post.

I have no problem with fact and logic based criticism of Trump. That’s fine. What’s not okay is calling me or all Trump-supporting Republicans things like un-American or stupid or evil. And I’m not the one calling Democrats and those who dare disagree with me names and putting them on ignore because I disagree with them. I have nobody on ignore.