Trump 2nd Impeachment News/Talk Megathread

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Impeach the SOB and then charge him with sedition and inciting rebellion.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Trump has conceded the election.  This is what we wanted him to do.  We should acknowledge that and hold him to it and move on until Biden is inaugurated.  No need to add fuel to the fire and encourage more controversy and confrontation.  Give Trump's supporters room to accept their loss instead of an occasion to fight for him against attackers.

The man incited a riot in the U.S. Capitol. A riot that occurred with the sole purpose of overturning an election that he lost fair and square. We were lucky that no members were harmed.

He's gone his whole life messing things up without having to worry about the consequences. It's about time he faced some real ones.

I agree completely, their needs to be consequences for lying and scamming people to the point of insurrection.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Anyways, waiting till Monday is moronic. It gives the GOP way too much time to defend the president. Not sure what Lieu is thinking.

They need to go now, not Monday, not Friday afternoon. RIGHT NOW! Two in the morning be damned.

If Taft can stop a train and force a dining car to be added so he could have steaks at two in the morning, then they can convene for impeachment proceedings in a crisis situation.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

There is no way for 25th to work now, that is why Trump has been purging his cabinet this whole time, to nuke this possibility.

He could nuke 5th Avenue and his cabinet would still not be willing to invoke the 25th against him.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

There is no way for 25th to work now, that is why Trump has been purging his cabinet this whole time, to nuke this possibility.

He could nuke 5th Avenue and his cabinet would still not be willing to invoke the 25th against him.

There is a timing issue as to the 25th that takes close to a week, so it appears impracticable, but it appears that a majority of cabinet officials who are left is sufficient. Vacancies do not count as a no vote. The main thing is to make sure that if Trump issues some crazy order, it will not be carried out. Thus the Pelosi call.

The vacancies eliminated the people most likely to support this action.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Sniveling cowards all of them.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

They just cannot face the facts that the whole model with which the American Right and the Republican Party has operated for the past 20 years is rotten to the core, thoroughly corrupt and needs to be upended and rebuilt from the bottom up.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Amash's Successor Peter Meijer: Trump's Deceptions Are 'Rankly Unfit'

The rookie GOP congressman describes Capitol Hill chaos, says that some Republicans who knew better voted against election certification out of physical fear, and explains how serving in Iraq and Afghanistan made him want to "end the endless wars."

Sounds like there are at least some Republicans left in the house with half a brain.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Re-posting this here:

Some things should be above politics.

What Trump did was beyond the pale of unacceptable. No amount of spin, obfuscation, whataboutery, politicization, threats, or faux pleas for unity is going to change the fact that Trump crossed a line that NO ONE, left, right or center should be allowed to cross and for the sake of the long term health and stability of the Republic, everyone needs to stand up with one voice and say, NEVER AGAIN!

I am a conservative because I believe in the preservation of a system that is governed by laws and not arbitrarily governed by the erratic whims of either a singular person (executive tyranny) or the erratic whims of an arbitrary mob (tyranny of the mob/excess of democracy). Right now we have both in operation and it doesn't matter what party they nominally adhere to or what side of the aisle they claim to be fighting for. That is irrelevant. Mob rule is mob rule, tyranny is tyranny, terrorism is terrorism and treason is treason.

We have laws to constrain and prevent mob rule and our officers, police and military is charged accordingly with carrying out those laws to preserve order, and the rule of law.

We have a system of checks and balances whereby each branch is to restrain and prevent the abuse by the other and in this case, Congress has the ability to impeach an out of control executive.

For my perspective, impeaching Donald J. Trump, arresting the insurrectionists and holding people accountable to the rule of law equally and without bias is the Conservative position here. It is not my position to deny anyone's membership in any club, I have long denounced the new-bolsheviks on the right for their purity crusades and I have no desire to stoop to their level.

But I would remind you, that Conservatism in America first came about because the half of the patriots from the Revolution, who were alarmed over the actions of Daniel Shays and others,  pushed for a constitution possessing of itself both the power to preserve law and protect freedom from both within and outside and the checks and balances to prevent the consolidation of power into tyranny from above.

Here, in this situation, we should follow the founders intent both to suppress mob rule and to inhibit executive tyranny by clearly demonstrating that no one ever has the right to demolish 230 years because of some faux sense of tribal superiority, anger at the other side, or disinformation intentionally spread about an election result they didn't like. 

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Does anyone have a tally of Republicans backing impeachment in and out of Congress? I know Chris Christie is a yes as of Sunday.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

If McConnell blames Trump for costing him his Senate majority then I wouldn't be surprised to see him turn on him.

Cost him the majority and sent a mob that could have easily killed him or others if things went even worse.

Turtle's Revenge

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Wolf Blitzer talking about it now.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So I have a question. At what point upon A 2/3 vote to convict by the Senate does Trump officially ceased being president? Is it as soon as the Senate pro-tempore bang the gavel down and announces the vote results? Does something have to be filed and served with the clerk or something? If the latter, any idea how much time that takes?

I'm interested because my greatest fear at this point is Trump will exercise a last-second opportunity to issue Mass pardons for, not just he and his family as expected - hikind I'm not so worried about those as a self pardon is constitutionally dubious at best, and besides he and his crime family are facing primarily State charges in the near future hikind - but most worrisome most or all of the capitol rioters.

I would consider Mitch McConnell an enormous Patriot and be willing to forgive much of his horrendous conduct over the past few decades if he were to somehow privately convinced Trump before the vote not to issue such pardons, as he had the votes in hand to keep him from getting convicted oh, but he issued those pardons there's no way he could keep his caucus from doing so, yada yada yada. Only for Trump to go apoplectic and probably put his foot through the TV after watching the Senate vote to convict, and realizing he blew his one chance to issue said pardons.

 It's a neat Theory, and realistically would probably rely more on Trump's unfailing arrogance and inability to think he could ever lose anything rather than McConnell actively misleading him , but the question Still Remains how much time, if any, Trump would have as president once the vote were announced. Hours? Minutes? Effective immediately?

McConnell has apparently not talked to Trump since he recognized Biden as winner in December and they are not on speaking terms, and unlikely to speak going forward.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I turned off the TV at just the wrong time.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What is the threat to GOP?

Party split a la 1912.

That didn't work out too well long term for the ones who defected, even though they did better then the establishment guy in the first election, that arguably set the stage for what was to come later on.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Underdiscussed benefit of a pre-January 20th conviction: serves as a way for Pence's friends & allies - like McConnell - to get him lifetime protection (rather than the 6 months afforded to ex-VPs), which he might need after last week.

Couldn't Biden just extend it for him?

I am sure there will be massive increases in security for the Capitol building and also for current and former members of congress in the wake of this.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

If McConnell is on board then I think Deb Fischer will vote to convict. I think it'll be based more on who doesn't have to run in 2022 than on ideology IF (big if, remember) McConnell is actually in support of conviction.

Also people like Rounds and Cornyn.

What about Sullivan of Alaska?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The Senate should vote for Trump to have lifetime Secret Service protection in line with any ex-president. If anything, he needs it even more than most ex-presidents.

Reopen Alcatraz!

Totally protected.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

WH expects 20 or more House Republicans to vote Aye - CNN


Might be trying to manage expectations here.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

https://twitter.com/RyanCostello/status/1349140993321406464?s=20

Trump world nuked itself by excess. I am not a fan of Costello by any means and the fact that such Republicans may inherit the earth now is disappointing, but here again it all goes back to Trump, his actions and his words.

A man who has never known the word consequence is now finally having all his chickens come home to roost at once.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I kept waiting for the threatening tweet about Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger. Then I realised it would never come, and it felt so good.

Its like when Robespierre got shot in the jaw and couldn't speak.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Jim Jordan speaking now. If I had covered up sexual abuse, I’d be worried about cancel culture too.

I have hated Jim Jordan for years, he turned a blind eye to sexual assault and he should not be in Congress.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You don't subvert the law to appease the tyrannical mob, that is the road to ruin and to Rome.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1349146446776438784?s=20

Why do these people get into politics if they don't want to be leaders?

money and power.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I would imagine Trump's words made and make a far more compelling a case for his own impeachment then anything Pelosi could say to them.