Israeli General Election (2nd of March, 2020): Madness

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non-tolerable Arabs

Yikes

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What does the Joint List list look like? Presumably if they are providing confidence and supply, Hadash members are going to be significantly more reliable votes than Balad members.

The top 15 consists of 5 Hadash, 3 Balad, 3 Ta'al, and 4 Ra'am.

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Another election?

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Schrodinger's Israel: simultaneously a dangerous place whose beleaguered inhabitants are traumatized by terrorism, and also an important sanctuary for Jews that must be preserved at all costs.

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I'm grateful for people like DavidB because they're brutally honest about Zionism's true nature, and help observers see it for what it really is. It's also why I want Bibi to remain PM.

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I'm grateful for people like DavidB because they're brutally honest about Zionism's true nature, and help observers see it for what it really is. It's also why I want Bibi to remain PM.

This is accelerationist BS and just as blinkered by your pet hates as David's posts are by his. And you, unlike him, are better than that.

Forgive me for not clamoring to replace Bibi with a guy who, while less overtly racist in terms of what he says, would have identical policies towards Palestinians (if not worse with regard to Gaza).

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Lieberman is a secuar rightwinger and a racist who believes Arabs and Palestinians are the enemy.

That's also true for Gantz, and in a less overt way even Labor-Gesher-Meretz.

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\the Palistinian question

I always wonder if the irony is lost on Zionists when they use this phrase, or if it's deliberate.

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My post wasn't really a criticism of Zinneke (and I have no idea what his views are), but rather a comment on the phrase itself.

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I see chaos as a victory too.

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I see chaos as a victory too.

I guess I just don't understand why a weak, balkanized, conflict-ridden, and marginally theocratic Jewish state that tramples the rights of minorities can possibly ever be a good thing for the Arabs you claim to care so deeply about. By framing "Israel" entirely within a Jewish nationalist framework, as though the large minority of Arab Israelis were merely marginal to the state, you are literally doing the same thing as right wing zealots who refuse to recognise the integral Arab connection to the state.

It'll get worse before it gets better.

You're right. I'm part of the diaspora, and I don't have anything to lose, unlike those who are still in Palestine. I probably am more focused on tearing Israel down than lifting Palestinians up.

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can't wait for libs to act like everything wrong with israel has now been solved with bibi out of the picture

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It's just that with the way Israel is discussed with America, you'd think that Israel's problems began with his premiership and will end when his premiership ends as well. And if I had a nickel for every time a hardcore Zionist told me, "I don't support Bibi", in an attempt to make them sound more reasonable than they actually are, I'd be a millionaire.

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Benny Gantz is one of us. He is a man of the center-left, a man of democracy, a man of transformative change.

lol

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Benny Gantz is one of us. He is a man of the center-left, a man of democracy, a man of transformative change.

lol

When I say "center-left" I mean center-left and not "throw-Israel-into-the-sea-and-establish-a-mythically-woke-Islamic-republic-of-Palestine-instead" left.

You have no arguments for how he can even be considered center-left, so instead you resort to wild accusations about my beliefs.

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Blimey this might be happening, the minority government. Gear up for civil war lads

A country based on democratic principle (and the Zionism of Ben Gurion) is a nightmare for those who prefer an Israel based on the atavistic hate of some rabbinic ideologue who believes that the role of Arabs in this world is to serve the Jewish people in this life and the next.

David Ben-Gurion is a terrible example for what you're attempting to describe.

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Could BP please take his hot takes somewhere that isn't the Israeli election thread? Create some horrible Israel/Palestine thread on the International General Discussion board that I can ignore?

This thread's for the government formation process in Israel. The Israeli/Palestinian debate is tangential and is hijacking the thread.

Just talking as a poster here, but this board is for discussing international elections and results. Actual debate is for the other boards.

I'm not just stating my opinions. I'm responding to things other people are saying (and I'm not just espousing my views on Israel that are already well-known - I'm criticizing the dishonesty of Liberal/Labor Zionism). And I wouldn't say I've "hijacked" the thread - other discussion is going on unabated, and ironically, this post you've just made is likely to derail the thread itself.

I think you just don't want to hear voices that are different from all the others here that are virtually identical. Well, you and the others are free to put me on ignore.

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The racism of the Israeli left (whether directed at Arabs or Mizrahi Jews) isn't some new phenomenon.

This goes even if you don't see Zionism as an inherently racist.

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Would I be wrong for thinking there's basically no chance that a Gantz government would last?

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Unity government is happening. Expect news tomorrow night.

Temporary for Corona or long term? If long term, it begs the question of the immunity law, the hypothetical law barring indited people from govt, and what happens when Bibi ties to fight back in the future.

Temporary to become permanent. Yesh Attid and Telem might not join in.

So it's not an actual unity government but just the Bibi Bloc with Gantz thrown in? He'd be an utter cretin to accept, and any leftist who voted KL a fool.

Any leftist who voted KL is a fool regardless lmao

(Note that voting for KL itself is very different from simply wanting Gantz to be PM instead of Bibi)

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Anyways fück anti-zionists

Right back atcha.

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Also, Odeh to the President: "we all agree that the Jewish people have a right of self recognition, but we're also a national group with rights". Odeh is really leading the JL into a more non-Zionist rather than anti-Zionist direction.

That's not incompatible with anti-Zionism.

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Can't wait for him to kill another 2,000 Gazans.

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It's a mistake by the Joint List to recommend Gantz, he's worse than Netanyahu when it comes to the peace plan.

It was the wish of the majority of the Palestinian-Israeli population . I’ll let them know they need to consult the brave keyboard warriors of America first next time

Don't even. TSA is Palestinian and has family in both "Israel proper" and the West Bank.

It's funny how I never hear you guys criticize pro-Israel American evangelicals like this.

It's a mistake by the Joint List to recommend Gantz, he's worse than Netanyahu when it comes to the peace plan.

Gantz is just the lesser evil and the only alternative to the establishment of a full apartheid ethno-estate by the Israeli hard right. If the Joint List does not recommend this centre-right zionist, their MKs will render useless and irrelevant. Gantz is bad, but the alternative is abominable. There are not good choices in Israeli politics, face it

Leave if you're not gonna contribute anything interesting/constructive 🤷🏻‍♂️

Yeah. He should strive to be the amazing, insightful poster that you are.

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What are the chances that, when an actual minority government which includes Lieberman is actually proposed, Balad doesn't get cold feet? I'm just having difficulty imagining Balad actually actively voting to put a government with Yisrael Beiteinu in office.

The 35th government of Israel is one which will have been formed on the basis of Lieberman & Balad having to make up their minds. Who does Lieberman hate more: Bibi & the Haredim, or the Arabs? Is Balad more committed to hating Jews or getting real results for their people? Lieberman appears to have made up his mind, & now it's time for Balad to make up theirs.

You people are impossible.