Tara Reade Biden allegation megathread

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Breaking: 1996 court document confirms Tara Reade told of harassment in Biden’s office

https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/politics-government/article242527331.html

The declaration — exclusively obtained by The Tribune in San Luis Obispo, California — does not say Biden committed the harassment nor does it mention Reade’s more recent allegations of sexual assault.

Reade’s then-husband Theodore Dronen wrote the court declaration. Dronen at the time was contesting a restraining order Reade filed against him days after he filed for divorce, Superior Court records show.

In it, he writes Reade told him about “a problem she was having at work regarding sexual harassment, in U.S. Senator Joe Biden’s office.”

So in other words it tells us absolutely nothing and proves nothing

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The Democrats are starting to sound like Baghdad Bob. Your nominee' favorable rating has plunged from neutral to -24%. It's pretty clear at this point he sexually harassed Tara Reade and lied about it. Even if he somehow pulls a Northam and hangs on to the nod, there's no way he can beat Trump now.

you delusional if think any of this is going to matter on November 2020 when Tomorrow we are about to get hit by A Horrific jobs report



P.S.  Northam did more than just hang on
The dems beat the hell of the GOP in Virginia that same year lol
in the end voters simply did not care about what Northam did and make no mistake if Unemployment is super high on election day.....sorry Tara but Job Biden is out next president

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So it corroborates her 2019 story but not her new one... I think I am seeing a pattern here

To me it's starting to seem like she was indeed harassed by a coworker (unwanted advances?) and that's probably why she left the office (though who knows, she has changed her story 3-4 times). Biden himself probably didn't even know what was going on and that's why her mother said that she still respected him and didn't want to go to the press.

ironically Reade herself claimed in April 6, 2019, that she didn’t even know if Biden knows why she left working for him:

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Yeah, I don't know, I'm getting nervous again.

Remember, I said I would give this story another month and see how it develops. And it seems like every week it keeps popping up after being stagnant for a bit.

True or not, the story's persistent presence will not be good because truth, one way or the other, doesn't matter. This is just a mess for everyone not named Trump. We shouldn't assume that the American people will be so logical as to recognize how much more of a serial misogynist Trump is and what a false equivalency this is.

Think what you want, but don't be in denial and make excuses about how this won't constantly be brought up to make perceptions about Biden more negative, keep him off-message if it lasts until the general election, manage to alienate certain Democratic supporters he needs or decrease turnout for him.

Honestly after tara big interview it not clear where this story can go from here nor Im not sure that media can drag this out even if they really wanted to


This was the last Big card she had left to play but after that there really is nothing more to this. the facts of the case have simply not changed and she still does not have strong evidence against Biden

the senate also has made it clear that they will not look for any compliant  and She had refused to take a polygraph until Biden takes on first


basically after this week there really is nothing more to can be done.
sure the media can try yo keep it alive for next 5 months  but if there is no info people are simply going to get tired of it and move on

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This development has gotten the most   and on my twitter feed which is troubling for Biden. But as proven throughout the primary, twitter can be wildly unrepresentative of reality.

really
Because the story does not really seem to be trending on twitter at all
you would think it would getting lot more attention because of all the new info but so far Im not really seeing much and most of the focus is on bill Barr

now megyn kelly herself is trending is but so for most of the tweets I have been seeing is more about her than it is about the story itself

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Looks like this story is not gonna go away for Biden. Well, I don't even know what to say at this point.

The Democratic Party had 5 million options (many women to choose from, younger candidates too) and we choose Biden because "he was Obama's VP", "only Biden can beat Trump".

Let's see what happens.

You assume that a story wouldn't have been manufactured against another candidate. Jacob Wohl hired someone to accuse Elizabeth Warren of assault. Besides assault there are million other things you can manufacture against a candidate.

they were defiantly planning something for Pete had he won.....

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This development has gotten the most   and on my twitter feed which is troubling for Biden.

This is why you can't be taken seriously. In no way is Rose Twitter representative of reality, and in no way does it influence national politics.

This is strictly anecdotal but so far nobody I know in the real word is actually talking about this and I have yet to see anybody bring this up to me.

That is very different compered to Hillary in 2016
back than a lot of people brought up her emails to me but so far nobody that I know is talking about this

all of the focus is on Trump, the virus,and the economy
just yesterday I had family member who said that they would vote for Biden simply because they were unhappy with trumps response to coronavirus and believe vie this person does not know anything about Biden other than he was Obama VP and He is not Donald trump lol

and let me be clear about this Im not in some liberal utopia like California or new York
Im in Louisiana so if the story was breaking through I would have seen some evidence of it by now

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Ok I honesty want to ask this of the people who believe and support Tara

IF the evidence against Biden is so strong why did she hesitate when asked to take a polygraph test. every question before that she was saying yes without any excuses when Kelly was asking her about what she would be willing to do but when they got to the Polygraph question

Terra started to hesitate and give excuses
again she did not do this with all the previous questions she was being asked
instead she said that she would only do one if Biden did 1 first

this raises many red flags to me
why would Why anybody pass up an opportunity to prove they have nothing to hide and is telling the truth. especially if The evidence is as Damming as some on her have claimed. Tarra could bring down Biden if she took and passed that test tomorrow yet she is refusing to do it unless he goes first

Her answer on that Bothered me the most and makes me question everything she is telling me

taking a Polygraph was the first thing Ford did before coming forward with her allegations against  kavanagh. It was a move that showed that she really did have nothing to hide and she was willing do whatever it took to get the facts out. she even 100 percent backed A full FBI investigation into her claims.

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The fact even progressive twitter isn't screaming about this might go to show how little of a spoonful this is.

Also, this came out at the worst possible time for Reade. The Flynn showdown is ongoing.

Nothing outstanding has occurred. Her husband wrote something in 1996 that backs up her 2019 statement, not her current one, and she is still loudmouthing her current statement. That's literally all.

You know how people will spin it.

The story is spun out.

speak of bad timing
tomorrow this news will dominates everything  





Fridays jobs report is going to be horrific and brutal
it willl remind many american what the upcoming election all ultimately about....the economy
 

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Ok I honesty want to ask this of the people who believe and support Tara

IF the evidence against Biden is so strong why did she hesitate when asked to take a polygraph test. every question before that she was saying yes without any excuses when Kelly was asking her about what she would be willing to do but when they got to the Polygraph question

Terra started to hesitate and give excuses
again she did not do this with all the previous questions she was being asked
instead she said that she would only do one if Biden did 1 first

this raises many red flags to me
why would Why anybody pass up an opportunity to prove they have nothing to hide and is telling the truth. especially if The evidence is as Damming as some on her have claimed. Tarra could bring down Biden if she took and passed that test tomorrow yet she is refusing to do it unless he goes first

Her answer on that Bothered me the most and makes me question everything she is telling me

taking a Polygraph was the first thing Ford did before coming forward with her allegations against  kavanagh. It was a move that showed that she really did have nothing to hide and she was willing do whatever it took to get the facts out. she even 100 percent backed A full FBI investigation into her claims.

I’m not a Tara believer, but I completely get not wanting to take a polygraph test. They have false results too often to be proof of anything. They aren’t admissible in court in most states either.

but in this case she did not refuse to do it
she said she would only do one when Biden does one first

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As far as I could tell, there was no mention of her Megyn Kelly interview anywhere on the morning shows, which is kind of surprising. Though I barely saw it yesterday on Twitter as well.

I been calling it for week
Once this Job report comes out it will dominate and overshadow everything in the news
this is why I was never really worried about tarra because I always knew that not matter how big her story got it was going to be eclipsed By that Jobs report on Friday  

Now Im seeing this trending all over twitter

#TrumpDepression
#14.7% in April
#14.7% Unemployment

The News about us hitting the highest unemployment rate since the great depression is now by far the biggest story the county  

that news will most likely dominate the weekend and be all over the Sunday news shows.
basically tara finally had her big interview and nobody cares since people are now realizing that we are in one of the greatest economic crisis in our country history

if Biden rises to challenge  and show the American people he can handle this
he will be our next president........

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Was she convicted of those charges? Those tweets say charges, not convicted. If she were arrested but not convicted, then it’s hypocrisy to use those charges against her, given the Democrats’s position on criminal justice (especially here in NY).

And even if true, does committing forgery and counterfeiting = no sexual assault?

Whether or not she was convicted is not the point nor do these charges disprove her claim. The question is if this is what she was fired for, because if it is then that would be problematic to her claim that she was fired in retaliation.

it damages her credibility since this is is yet another radical change to her original story

she said she was fired by biden and she being retaliated against
she never brought up committing forgery and counterfeiting

and the 1996 documents shows that she was never fired at all and left of her own free will

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It looks like the Megyn Kelly interview was a big flop, especially for it being Reade's first "TV interview." Looks like no one really covered it today, which makes me wonder if most news outlets are starting to double think the whole story's credibility...

It definitely was a flop
Today nobody is talking about it nor is it trending and it was completely overshadowed by the news about the Jobs report. Tara doing an interview was the last big card she had left to play in order to keep this story alive and she wasted it on Megan Kelly lol


she turned down high profile interviewers from both fox and cnn for some BS Instagram interview that failed to keep people interested in her story

Maybe she can still get a fox interview but now it will have far less hype and attention now that they can longer sell it as her first big interview.  at this point I expect the story to fade over the weekend since Tara thew everything she could at Biden and failed to do much damage in the end
   


 

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So is this interview something that was just conducted to be posted on Megyn Kelly's YouTube and other social media outlets? Because if that's the case then this interview is hardly different than the Halper one other than that her statements aren't new anymore. I suppose you could argue that Kelly has more name recognition, but she has no big platform anymore. Even Halper and Krystal Ball arguably have more influence than Megyn Kelly these days.

It's weird, Megyn's roll out with the clips seemed like it was meant to build hype but that faded away within hours of her posting them, and no one has even posted about the full interview. I can't tell if no one cares about the interview b/c of the virus, jobs report, etc., or b/c many outlets think this story is losing credibility by the day. Or both.

plus the Ahmaud Arbery shooting has also been getting way more attention and has basically overshadowed Megyn Kelly and tara on social media and everywhere else..

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Is this contributing to Biden’s declining polling margin on RCP? I’m very worried about it...

In not worried at all
whatever small hit Biden takes right now simply wont last by the time we get to November 2020
all of this will be history now that Tara has done her big hyped interview and people will once again start to focus on the economy since there will be a Jobs report right before the election

like I said tara played her last big card with this interview and after that there is simply nowhere left for this story to go. A predict that after this week this story will continue to fade now that Tara has nothing more to throw at Biden and Biden will recover whatever small hit he took from this in the first place

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Swing and a miss by anti-Biden folks. People have moved on and the Democratic coalition stood their ground, save for Liz Bruenig and some other Bernouts.

I fear the damage may have already been done though... most people may now have an impression of Joe Biden not only being senile but also being a creep and a predator... regardless of the truth... and this will fuel a “bOtH sIdEs BaD” mentality that’s will cost us yet another election against Donald Trump...

i don't for one second believe that people who are unemployed will care about any of that more than they do about news like this



by the end of the day the GOP can call Biden senile and creepy all the want but if unemployment is over 11 percent on election day..........creepy Biden is going to landslide trump out of office lol

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"oh no she was docked pay for misconduct and fired, she can't be telling the truth!"
You realize those are common tactics used by men to force women into silence, yeah?

"someone would have held Biden accountable if this was true!!!"
Have you been ignoring the stories over the last few years? The whole point is that people know and very few men are held accountable. Power is more important, and someone who's just 'loveable' is easy to cover up for.

I don't know how I feel about these allegations, but I'm disgusted by people who supposedly are on the side of women and minorities blowing these allegations off with the same tired excuses that have been used to perpetuate and protect rape culture in America for decades. Even if he is innocent of sexual assault and/or rape, he has been willing to invade people's space and makes jokes about it when called out on the issue. That's not appropriate behavior. Stop making excuses and listen and investigate and don't assume he's okay because he's a Democrat.

You don't have to believe Tara Reade to treat her like a human being and have the decency to listen to her and not just dismiss her claims out-of-hand. I'm not particularly convinced by what I've heard, but I'm not going to discuss her claims because she's done things I don't like. Bad people can be assaulted, too, and that doesn't make it okay or acceptable.

You spend too much time blaming everyone else while Ignoring the fact that Tara herself is to blame for much of the attacks people are now throwing at her. She should have been honest from the start instead of having people dig up this news about her. We should have heard about all of this from her at the very beginning instead her trying to hide it or outright lie about what actually happened

again that is no one else's fault but her's
This has nothing to do with her pay being docked for misconduct and being fired or that some are claiming that means she can't be telling the truth because of that

This is about her not being honest about why she got fired in the first place and people have every right to call her out for that. Ford never had these kinds of problems in 2018 because unlike Tara she was honest about everything from the very start. I never needed to make this kinds of BS excuses in order to defend her or her credibility

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Obviously Trump is a rapist and should never have been allowed anywhere near the oval office. That also doesn't make it okay to sweep this under the rug and pretend that Biden is pure as freshly-fallen snow.

yet Tara seems perfectly willing to sweep the 40 woman who trump assaulted under the rug in order to help him take out Biden

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Biden did assault Reade, lawyers look at past behavior as a guide to present conduct. Just like OJ was guilty of murder due to beating of Nichole Brown Simpson.

Anita Hill was passed over by Biden and Dem lead committee could have voted Thomas down or filibustered the nomination. If Biden was set against Thomas, as he used his no vote as a copy out, the Dems should have filibustered the nomination,  they had 41 votes.

As for other females, he touched them inappropriately. Even if Biden is elected, the conservative Judicial watch have conservative Crts to bring Biden before the Crts on Ukraine and Reade, even without a Special counsel

and this is where I stopped reading lol

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This case will obviously have to be taken to Crt, Ron Johnson still has the Ukraine story in Aug.

All I have to say, is that since the House isnt using its leverage and spent the entire recess on UBI benefits instead of vote by mail, Biden isn't assured election, with Reade and Ukraine. The results could be a nail biter and the Rs have the Crts if the results are Similar to 2000 or 2016

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yeah something tells me unemployed Americans are going to care way  more about this than they will about Reade and Ukraine on election day



If unemployment is over 11 percent on election day as The CBO projects
all the Ukrainian and Tara Reade scandals in the world wont save trump....

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Tara Reade

Interview with Megan Kelly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HeZiKvOA0o

Tara outlines regular touching regime:

"His fingers stroking my neck"

"Biden liked my legs"

"His hands were underneath my clothes"

"He said I wann f$%^ you"

"His fingers were inside me"

"C'mon Tara, I heard you liked me"

"It happened in under 30 minutes"

This interview is very interesting.

Joe Biden had complete power over her. The interesting thing will be to see how other women react to the interview and see how they relate to the facts to see if her grief is real.

She said Maryanne Baker was not interested in Joe Biden's behaviour and would have protected him.

She thought she was coming in for an interview after filing a complaint.

Instead, she was fired.

To me this one line sums up everything wrong with Tara and the people who support her
they seem to be so willing to buy into her story while ignoring the fact that her story is being completely contradicted by the evidence.


for example in many interviews Tara now claims she was fired by Biden
But this is completely contradicted by the actual 1996 court documents.

it shows that Reade struck a deal with the chief of staff of the Senator’s office and left her position.”
she was never fired and left of her own free will

again had she simply told the truth from the start
she could just as easily have said that she got fed up with the harassment and decided to leave

Instead she tells a lie about Biden having her fired and it ends up hurting her credibility while also making the people who support her look foolish

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this story is like a week old now and Politico is still tweeting it out

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1259846215946158080

as i said some in the past sure some of the media will try to keep it going
but ultimately this story simply has no where else to go from here and at some point even they will Simpy be forced to moved on

after tara big interview failed to do much damage to Biden many on the right are not hyping up Obamagate on twitter instead lol

its also very telling that politico maybe tweeting out this story but right now it is nowhere to found on their actual website. so even they seem to be moving on from this

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https://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_ted_rall/so_far_there_is_no_reason_not_to_believe_tara_reade?fbclid=IwAR1knPIsGZxuR7OUtcbTrcaDYUY5Pa1FZtQxIj2NXFrL1DU0iUh9aF-oXPA

One quote from above article

When your personal space is brutally violated, whether by sexual assault or a mugging or police brutality, you are shocked. You focus on the trauma: what happened to you and who did it, not the where and when. Memories of trauma tend to be fragmented and incomplete. It would be preferable if Reade had had the presence of mind to recall that data. But not having it doesn't make her a liar.

Tara went beyond simply not not being able to recall a date or a time
she outright denied that Biden had ever harassed or assaulted her in the first place

In her own words in  April, 2019

his actions were NOT “sexualization,” but rather compared his actions toward her as being demeaning and treating her like a “pretty” lamp that is thrown away when it’s too bright. She also claimed that her story was not “a story about sexual misconduct.”

she also spent years praising Biden for helping end sexual assault and she posted this



Ford never did anything like that
she never went around praising kavanagh and writing articles saying that he never assaulted her

Also using the Memories being fragmented and incomplete excuse
does not explain or justify the several contradictions in Tara story over the years  

She was not telling 1 fragmented and incomplete story
she told 10 different stories that completely contradicted each other and many times she simply outright lied about what actually happened

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We really need some major media outlet to get on the case about Reade’s long history of criminal dishonesty in order to permanently put this story to rest.  She needs to be definitely proven to be a lifelong fraud and compulsive liar.

That's a great way to breath life into the story while creating a divide between the establishment Democrats and MeToo supporters.  Exactly the opposite needs to be done. The media will passively cover it in a limited manner, ignoring it when ever possible.  Then they'll quickly pivot to a new story, and completely ignore Tara Reade.  They did it 9 months ago with the Tara Reade story.

I don't even think it's possible to make her out to be a liar. A Harris Poll indicates that 65% of voters believe Tara Reade, including 63% of Independents and 36% of Democrats.  Why?  Cause there's videos all over the internet of Joe Biden groping women.  I said it over and over again during the primary, because it was obvious that this issue and others would sink his campaign.  It doesn't matter if someone says something happened, or if someone is painted as a liar.  I and others saw Biden sexually grope other women on video.  Worst of all, Biden can't even talk his way out of it anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=131&v=aqMFHu3nMgA&feature=emb_title

Yet a recent Morning Consult poll also showed Biden would still destroy trump among voter that hate both of them. 46 percent say they’d back Biden if the election were held today, compared to 14 percent who would vote for Trump."

To me that just show that even among the 65 percent who actually believe Tara would still vote for Biden over Trump lol     

also in 1992 many american believed the sexual allegation against Bill Clinton
In 2016 polls showed the Most american believed trump had assaulted woman

the amercan people still voted for both them and they won because by the end of the day these famous words sum up what this election is all about

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One detail (that people neglect) is that Biden allegedly said, “ Come on, man, I heard you liked me.” That line would suggest that there might’ve been some kind of history, or some whisperings or rumors in the office that she had a crush on him. Or maybe her behavior led Biden on.

Yup. That part of her story was very believable.

The only difference between Monica Lewinsky and Tara Reade......

Actually, let me rephrase that.

I think the culture in the White House at the time was a little risque towards women.

Tara Reade also touched on that.

Gropy Joe most likely had previous young women under his spell at some stage before these events took place.

Joe Biden did the right thing in one way because he backed off when told and did not pursue her again.

And then he fired her.

Her story does sound legit, and her memory of the most critical parts were very accurately detailed.

wrong

this is completely contradicted by the actual 1996 court documents.

it shows that Reade struck a deal with the chief of staff of the Senator’s office and left her position.”
she was never fired and left of her own free will

again had she simply told the truth from the start instead of lying about being fired
she could just as easily have said that she got fed up with the harassment and decided to leave

Instead she tells a lie about Biden having her fired and it ends up hurting her credibility while also making the people who support her look foolish